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Politico on Trump's terrible deal making with Trumpcare.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I could see it the other way around....
Trump saved America yet again
Nazgul_Hunter
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Yeah that was hilarious to me too. This bill failed because it was bad policy
Who are they shitting on with that title?
8 years to the day of GOP saying how they were going to repeal Obamacare and they shit the bed. Reads like Trump stopped them from achieving glory
Even though he didn't create it (and I doubt he even knows what was in it), Trump was all in on that POS plan. The title implies otherwise.
Why, just WHY do US laws allow for such outright lies spread as news. Fox News is the biggest "news" station, right? And all they do is spread misinformation. I get the sneaky "oh, but it was just an opinion piece" defence, but even their designated news section is full of things that are factually wrong. And mindless drones lap it up and allow for 1984 levels of spinning. It'd be amazing if it wasn't so frightening.
Shake Appeal
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Trump is just so dumb. Whatever else he is, whatever evil lurks in his wake ... he's just so spectacularly stupid.
I like how everytime Trump does something totally bone headed that its some how part of some greater plan or scheme for a lot of people. Next time we'll see the culmination of Trump's Machiavalian machinations or the time after that or the time after that.
Darryl M R
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People drinking the Trump Kool-Aid will continue to defend that this is some 80D chess strategy of Trump taking legislative L's to negotiate down. That's not what he's doing and that's not how political capital works.
RPGCrazied
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A disaster all around. Don't forget his failed travel ban, under an FBI investigation, his NSA Flynn barely lasting a week before getting fired. I really don't see how he gets anything done. Tax reform? Lol, good luck.
Not a good look.
Not a good look.
jellies_two
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he will end up in jail and there will STILL be people saying it is all part of his long game, just you wait and see, he purposefully got convicted because he's going to talk to someone or other in that same jail that'll completely blow the lid off of things.
RPGCrazied
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He hasn't tweeted in over 20 hours. I'm scared.
jellies_two
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he tweeted a few minutes ago there goes the theory all WH phones have been taken.
The people got Trump elected. Trump didn't do anything masterful to get elected. He ran. He said racist things. He said sexist things. He acted like a rambling buffoon. Yet still he got elected. Mostly people angry about the Black guy ruining America, or liberals, or because their hate for Hillary Clinton and her damn emails was so strong.
Yes the people that said he would win the election were correct. They called America correctly, they called what it had turned into and what they were willing to elect. For that they definitely get a pat on the back.
Let Democrats have this. This thread doesn't need to be filled with "don't be cocky" posts. We're people on a forum enjoying an actual victory for the American people. In a few days Trump will be at it again and things will continue as they have been with Democrats continuing to resist the wanna be fascist. There is no need for "concern" here.
RPGCrazied
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I see that, love all the responses on it. Nothing but Trumpcare failure. I love it.
KarneeKarnay
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I think people are really misreading the situation. Trump isn't an idiot.
He's an awful politician and President, but calling him an idiot is dangerous. It makes you think you can outplay him, when he has already out played more than experienced politicians. He needs to be treated as a legitimate threat to the freedom and way of life of every American. That is what he is. Treating him as an idiot only plays to his strengths.
He's an awful politician and President, but calling him an idiot is dangerous. It makes you think you can outplay him, when he has already out played more than experienced politicians. He needs to be treated as a legitimate threat to the freedom and way of life of every American. That is what he is. Treating him as an idiot only plays to his strengths.
jellies_two
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Krugman wrote quite a persuasive article a day or two ago about how crap Ryan has been at writing policy. And just now he shook his head at the politico story the part about the Ryan being a great policy wonk. Ryan can do powerpoint. That obviously has elevated him to power policy guy to the media but (Krugman says) his record is the complete opposite.
Citation needed
RPGCrazied
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Its all he does. Blames them and other people. Never once has Trump taken the blame on anything. Its pretty sad.
Zeus Molecules
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I disagree, campaigning may have been a strength (that he seems to want to continue since it seems to stroke his ego) but actually governing is a much MUCH different job. He's the equivalent of a college freshmen in a PHD class and is making major mistake because he doesn't even know basic shit. Which joke aside if he built up a staff of policy vets and Government insiders he might of had a chance but his instincts is to go with sycophants to avoid having any debate on what he wants and here we are.
No he's an idiot. He happened to be saying what "most" of America wanted to hear and he was famous and it got him elected. Trump has always gotten by on other people's work and money. Just like now he's getting by on the tax payer's money.
What I will say though is that Trump has surrounded himself with very smart and dangerous people, so what you say is still correct. Until his presidency is over, I don't care how many times his plans fail, it should always be assumed something heinous is in the works.
Oh boy, I got a bridge to sell you.
jellies_two
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He isn't an idiot. But he isn't a long term strategist either, his attention span is very short.
Someone compared him to a aggressive loose poker player. They can be hard to play because they'll bet high on shaky things and dare you to match so many people keep folding then they end up with most of the pot. This worked to get him nominated, but isn't working out post election. His own party called him: instead of being scared when Trump went all in on them and demanded they fall into line "or else". They called him and found he didn't have the cards.
Noone is underestimating him. Donald's war against America will continue, the damage he already caused is severe. The fact that we basically can keep celebrating the status quo is damning enough.
The failure of the muslim ban, the failure of the wall, the failure of Tumpcare. Its nice that the fight against the orange failure is not totally fruitless.
Trump acts like an idiot. You can still recognize him as a threat, without thinking he is the love child of Emperor Palptine and Doctor Doom. Building him up to be some mastermind, when everything he said and done proves otherwise, is just as dangerous as underestimating him.
More_Badass
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He's an idiot and a legitimate threat.
Let's not forget he torpedoed his own travel ban with his own words, and then couldnt help but repeat the same mistakes again. Or how he freely admits that he gets info from cable news versus his own admin's intelligence. Or decided to blatanly threaten the members of his own party. Or can't string together a coherent sentence. Or sent out his press secretary to scream at press because they said his crowd sizes were smaller
Have you considered the possibility that people can think he's an idiot AND also treat him as a legitimate threat, moreso because he's an idiot?
The article effectively demonstrates how the president basically played himself. The last thing I'm going to worry about is outplaying him when he's already being played by multiple sources; Bannon, Ryan, Putin and so on.
Darryl M R
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He can be both an idiot and a threat. Like a man-child with a gun (or nuke codes).
He is not a master strategist.
Campaigning is different than governing and leading.
Zvonimir Boban
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Same here
He clearly doesn't have a game plan, he's a child swinging in the dark here. He doesn't understand the processes of government, a checks and balances system, where his power begins and ends, and how to work with people that aren't his employees.
He's fucking screwed.
Once a turd, always a turd.
So after the window closes on April 15th, what exactly is going to get done before 2018?
Will Ryan actually bring anything up without support of the insane wing?
It's corporate tax reform dead? Individual tax reform?
We know infrastructure is dead.
The stock market is going to start getting real skittish
Will Ryan actually bring anything up without support of the insane wing?
It's corporate tax reform dead? Individual tax reform?
We know infrastructure is dead.
The stock market is going to start getting real skittish
mightynine
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The fact that Bannon got slapped down gives me hope. These guys are all big talk when they can smack down the media, but put 'em against someone that ain't taking their shit and that tail tucks hard.
Honestly, more than anything, it shows yet again that the GOP are nothing but snowflakes.
Honestly, more than anything, it shows yet again that the GOP are nothing but snowflakes.
You would think the boy genius, new blood, etc smell would have worn off by now
super-heated plasma
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In other words Trump is Columbo.
It will be interesting seeing how he starts to fill his time. He is clearly too ignorant and impatient to get much legislation passed, at some point he is going to get bored of signing Bannon's executive orders, then what? Will he focus (insofar as he is capable of focusing) on foreign policy? If he does, that sounds rather worrying..
LegendofJoe
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They're all in on tax reform now. And everything is on the table, both corporate and individual. I'm expecting them to end up raising taxes on the middle class (via getting rid of local/state deductions) to pay for upper class tax cuts.
It's infuriating that Republicans have no damn clue about the importance of aggregate demand for a healthy economy. They're likely going to pass tax reform and it will lead to a recession because the people who spend money will now have less of it.
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