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[Miker]

Just skimmed through the video and it looks fine. It looks like a straight up HD port with widescreen with higher res HUD assets. That is to say, the original game was as jank as it looks now.

As for no new assets, I don't mind, especially if it keeps the price - and barrier to entry - low. Nobody's gonna shell out $30 or $40 or more for a slightly nicer looking version of Phantom Dust. Especially true given that it's releasing on Xbone where the playerbase skews towards AAA multiplats, and W10, a storefront everybody hates. Any real new audience this would've found is likely people who own PS4s tbh.

Like, take a step back and really ask if putting more resources into this would've been the right thing to do.

 

[bede-x]

Still looks pretty unique today. Never played the original, but might give this a chance if it's well recieved. Hearing about microtransactions is a turn-off though.

 

[Guymelef]

Rough.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

If so, why did your team actively work against the devs (Darkside games) and have the game cancelled?

http://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142

To be fair he's specifically talking about the original, not the cancelled remake.

 

[Theorry]

Its not a remaster. Its a port.

 

[sangreal]

looks fine, but they've really fucked up the messaging for this game as the thread title shows

I don't know why they didn't really remaster it. Looks like a really dumb decision next to the Crash trilogy

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Did people even watch the video? The guy straight up said it's a re-release with better assets. He didn't call it a remaster.

I know, but we are now in a generation where these are the benchmarks for remastered games:

 

[Space_nut]

Awesome bring more OG Xbox games over with online added

Crimson Skies
Otogi
Mechassult
Blinx

 

[xviper]

 

[blakep267]

I know, but we are now in a generation where these are the benchmarks for remastered games:

But it's not a remaster it's a port

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

looks fine, but they've really fucked up the messaging for this game as the thread title shows

I don't know why they didn't really remaster it. Looks like a really dumb decision next to the Crash trilogy

Crash Trilogy is an HD remake with new assets.

 

[sangreal]

Awesome bring more OG Xbox games over with online added

Crimson Skies
Otogi
Mechassult
Blinx

yes please

Crash Trilogy is an HD remake with new assets.

I know? that was my point. If you object to my using 'remaster' instead of 'remake' then fine -- they should have just remade it

 

[singhr1]

I know, but we are now in a generation where these are the benchmarks for remastered games:

That's why they are trying not to call it a remaster...

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Its not a remaster. Its a port.

Yeah, and keep the price around 10 bucks. That's a bit more fair.

That's why they are trying not to call it a remaster...

Polygon pretty much called it that in the title of the video.

 

[Gestault]

I know, but we are now in a generation where these are the benchmarks for remastered games:

I think that's pretty transparently a bad comparison. Compared to things like the PS2 classics on PS4 (which don't even get a render bump), the price is the same and the result is higher quality. Comparing it to remasters, let alone remakes is apples to baseballs.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I know? that was my point. If you object to my using 'remaster' instead of 'remake' then fine -- they should have just remade it

I guess I don't see why you think it's dumb.

 

[Ushay]

Will buy this to support a new game, this game deserves a full reboot. If they take those mechanics to the next level I can see this really taking off.

Hopefully a fully fleshed out campaign too.

 

[sangreal]

That's why they are trying not to call it a remaster...

right, but they've done a terrible job at making that clear to people barely paying attention

even this video starts out with 'an exclusive look at the phantom dust remaster'. Adam doesn't even correct him

 

[Kaako]

So did Polygon fuck up or is MS considering this a remaster as well?
As others have mentioned, it's a port.

 

[Salty Rice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlMly6KJrQ

Remember when this was supposed to be a full Remake/Reboot?

Screw you Microsoft.

They are awesome at boosting their "greatest lineup in history" every year that will not even exist.

Shit like this makes me already expect half of the stuff they show at this years E3 being made up stuff to boost initial Scorpio sales until they are dropped.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Xbox Game Pass release.

Do it!

 

[moltonasty]

Yikes. Idk I guess I expected more after all these years.

 

[sangreal]

I guess I don't see why you think it's dumb.

Because it doesn't seem to have saved them much time, and its caused a lot of confusion and negativity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlMly6KJrQ

Remember when this was supposed to be a full Remake/Reboot?

Screw you Microsoft.

They are awesome at boosting their "greatest lineup in history" every year that will not even exist.

Shit like this makes me already expect half of the stuff they show at this years E3 being made up stuff to boost initial Scorpio sales until they are dropped.

that was a different game

 

[hawk2025]

Yes, it's a port. We get it.

Stop pretending we can't be disappointed just because the bar for this release was set so embarassingly low.

 

[digitalrelic]

I just have no idea why this continues to be such a big thing here on GAF. An okay game (81 MC) from 12 years ago. No new assets. No 60FPS. Whoop-dee-doo. It's super depressing that THIS is what we have to be excited about on the Xbox side of things.

 

[Salty Rice]

that was a different game

They canceled and got replaced by this port.

"We said you gonna get Phantom Dust. Here it is i guess."

 

[Theorry]

So did Polygon fuck up or is MS considering this a remaster as well?
As others have mentioned, it's a port.

Polygon probably. As in the vid he says it not a remaster.

 

[Gestault]

So did Polygon fuck up or is MS considering this a remaster as well?
As others have mentioned, it's a port.

It's Polygon being editorially bankrupt. In the spoken interview that plays along with the footage, early on they specify it's not remaster when asked about the "remastering" efforts. They're really down-to-earth about it, even though they go on about being proud that the original assets work well with the resolution bump.

 

[Messofanego]

Someone want to explain why this video has 50% dislikes? Surely, it's not because of graphics for a HD re-release.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I think that's pretty transparently a bad comparison. Compared to things like the PS2 classics on PS4 (which don't even get a render bump), the price is the same and the result is higher quality. Comparing it to remasters, let alone remakes is apples to baseballs.

Thing is they called it a remaster, and have also added DLC into the game. This isn't just a port like the PS2 Classics to me.

Also to reiterate, I'd understand if they keep it around 10 bucks.

 

[singhr1]

If so, why did your team actively work against the devs (Darkside game studios) and have the game cancelled?

http://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142

A creative director doesn't control how much $$$ MS allocates to a dev team....

right, but they've done a terrible job at making that clear to people barely paying attention

even this video starts out with 'an exclusive look at the phantom dust remaster'. Adam doesn't even correct him

Yeah, that's definitely a fault of him. It would be best if they market it as "Xbox Classics" or something like how Sony did with PS2 classics.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlMly6KJrQ

Remember when this was supposed to be a full Remake/Reboot?

Screw you Microsoft.

They are awesome at boosting their "greatest lineup in history" every year that will not even exist.

Shit like this makes me already expect half of the stuff they show at this years E3 being made up stuff to boost initial Scorpio sales until they are dropped.

They were going to do a remake and it was cancelled. They decided to do a port of this one to throw a bone afterward.

Xbox Game Pass release.

Do it!

I think a game like this would fit Game Pass really well. At least to test the waters anyway.

 

[fantomena]

Im curious, what's "remastered" in this version? Upped resolution? Textures? Lightning? 60 FPS (30fps in vanilla)?

 

[Savantcore]

This has been called a 'remaster' by every single media outlet since its announcement.

Polygon could have changed the title after what the dude said (and they seem to have done so in the editorial accompanying that video), but they can't really be blamed for calling it what everyone else has been calling it for the last year.

 

[Tain]

Yeah, as the thread develops it seems pretty clear that outside of to PD fans MS (or media) hasn't been very clear on this.

I can't hold them calling it a "remaster" against them, given the nonsense nature of the term and how often it's used to refer to games being ported to newer platforms and simply running in higher resolutions, and I think this will be more enjoyable than the new PD would have been.

 

[Glass Shark]

.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

They canceled and got replaced by this port.

"We said you gonna get Phantom Dust. Here it is i guess."

A lot of people like me never played it so, idk, it's new to me.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Im curious, what's "remastered" in this version? Upped resolution? Textures? Lightning? 60 FPS (30fps in vanilla)?

resolution i guess

 

[Dinjoralo]

But it's not a remaster it's a port

Listening to what they've done, it's not quite a straight-forward port. They've split the saves for multiplayer and singleplayer so you can jump online and they can offer all the end-game stuff right away, but all your unlocks don't affect singleplayer, while all the things you get in singleplayer still flow into multiplayer. They also added DLC for paying to get a whole bunch of multiplayer skills right away because of course they did.

Either way, this looks like it's on the good side of weird and interesting. I'll keep an eye on this.

 

[Kaako]

Polygon probably. As in the vid he says it not a remaster.

It's Polygon being editorially bankrupt. In the spoken interview that plays along with the footage, early on they specify it's not remaster when asked about the "remastering" efforts. They're really down-to-earth about it, even though they go on about being proud that the original assets work well with the resolution bump.

I see. Thanks for the clarification.

They are 100% announcing this as part of the Game Pass initiative come this E3. Makes perfect sense.

 

[singhr1]

Im curious, what's "remastered" in this version? Upped resolution? Textures? Lightning? 60 FPS (30fps in vanilla)?

The cutscenes and resolution.

Addition of Xbox Live & cloud updates to balance

 

[Doug Heffernan]

The shitposting in this thread is embarrassing. This is a game from 2004, what did you expect?

 

[fantomena]

resolution i guess

Ok.

I also see people saying it's a port/re-release. Then why have I always heard about it being a remaster or have I just heard wrong all the time? Don't think Ive ever hard the words "port" or "re-release" in relation to news about this version of the game.

Well, imo, in this particular video it looks boring and very clunky.

 

[Messofanego]

right, but they've done a terrible job at making that clear to people barely paying attention

even this video starts out with 'an exclusive look at the phantom dust remaster'. Adam doesn't even correct him

Adam does correct him, that they don't consider it a remaster but more a HD re-release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imfEL1N12CA#t=1m31s

 

[Floex]

I guess you had to be there :/

 

[sangreal]

Adam does correct him, that they don't consider it a remaster but more a HD re-release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imfEL1N12CA#t=1m31s

yes, later. I am talking about the intro

 

[Elfstruck]

I know, but we are now in a generation where these are the benchmarks for remastered games:

You have a point, but I think Crash remaster is build from the ground up for PS4. I feel like this game was made to soften the backlash against the cancelled reboot, so it's a very small project for MS.

 

[cackhyena]

The shitposting in this thread is embarrassing. This is a game from 2004, what did you expect?

It's from 2004 so don't say anything negative, guys.

 

[go_straight]

I know, but we are now in a generation where these are the benchmarks for remastered games:

what are you talking about? these are all remakes made from zero.

xbox one owners really got the console they deserve this gen.

 

[eerik9000]

The shitposting in this thread is embarrassing. This is a game from 2004, what did you expect?

I assume people expected more effort would be put into this.