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Polygon - Exclusive: 19 Minutes of PHANTOM DUST Remastered Gameplay
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ElBoxyBrown
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Voodoo Vince was also called a Remastered. Phantom Dust will probably be titled and marketed the same way as well.
That right there is uninformed opinion.
RedAssedApe
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they probably shouldn't even use "re-release" and be super specific. call it a port. brand it Xbox Classic (like Ps Classics)...or something else. otherwise people are going to immediately think "remaster" and compare it to other actual remasters...and have the guty reaction that this looks like trash.
edit: yes i know there are technically updated features
edit: yes i know there are technically updated features
Shin-Ra
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There's plenty of early 2000's games that hold up much better than this, even without massaging the assets.
theifofdreams
Member
I played the original, but still dont get the appeal of it. More power to those of you that want this, but if you think it will lead to them un-canceling the old/new project, you're dreaming.
It was done on a very small budget, I am just happy to have the game back on XBO/Win10
I don't think anyone expects that at all, that project is super dead
Looking at the initial reactions, most of the comments about it were based around confusion at whether or not the game would get released in the west, but that the game itself looked promising.
Jump ahead a few months to demo footage being shown off by various outlets and you start to see people talk about it looking boring but partially assuming that it was IGN and company making it look as such.
Man Microsoft should be cashing in on more nostalgia. Jade Empire and Ninja Gaiden come to mind as well
Messofanego
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It's just a minute and a half in, c'mon.
it's more that you have to either
A) be okay with Monster Hunter shit
or
B) play it for a little bit to get hooked into the deckbuilding and combat flow
digitalrelic
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I'm guessing it's people disappointed that the Xbox has had shit for exclusives, to the point that Polygon having footage of a port of a 12 year old kinda decent game is promoted as being big news. I'd be disappointed too.
bananafactory
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The port looks fine but man as someone who never played this game they didn't sell it to me at all
As long as fans are happy though, I imagine that's who this is for
As long as fans are happy though, I imagine that's who this is for
FlutterPuffs
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It's not only Polygon calling it a remaster, a lot of the press are too.
Shitposting is when you try to derail the conversation in a thread. Most of us are commenting on the graphics, I don't think it is.
I do think the mechanics shown is intriguing, but the quality of the textures, usage of the generic Japanese game font, and dodgy animation is just disappointing.
Shitposting is when you try to derail the conversation in a thread. Most of us are commenting on the graphics, I don't think it is.
I do think the mechanics shown is intriguing, but the quality of the textures, usage of the generic Japanese game font, and dodgy animation is just disappointing.
Fahzgoolin
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Halo 2 Anniversary maybe, but NOT CE's. Geometry didn't line up. Guns, effects, and enemies were modeled wrong. The sounds were changed for the worse. The textures and lighting destroyed the original atmosphere.
CE Anniversary is garbage.
Maintenance
Member
Went expecting something ugly after reading this thread but it isn't that bad, for a straight re-release it's decent.
It does look incredibly boring though.
It does look incredibly boring though.
I would assume it's mostly aimed for the fans. The gameplay looks interesting, but it still seems very boring and clunky.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Yeah sure, but we are talking about the effort in remastering a game.
They want the game to have legs. Would be hard with how it looks.
Call it shitposting all you want -- after the past 4 years, the standards for a re-release are understandably much, much higher.
As they should be.
ElBoxyBrown
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Um, thanks?
People seem more mad that because it's titled "Remastered" they were expecting to be graphically blown away.
Kinda. You make an "arsenal" (deck) of skills before a fight, and you start fights with a "hand" of four random skills from your deck on your face buttons, while more skills are drawn from that deck and put at your spawn point, so you can replace the skills in your hand with those.
Triggerhappytel
Member
To be fair, you could compare it to a bunch of games from around that time and it'd look a bit ropey. Character models and animation in particular look quite rough.
Internal really. Loftis got some unused money from something else and they used that as a little budget to do this.
After Adam said "I think people are going to be very happy with the price" I thought exactly this.
Edit: What the fuck is happening on this thread? They literally had to hack the game to get it displayed at up to 4K, and apparently some textures that include text are only now readable but somehow this "looks bad". I actually thought we were getting some 480p bs and seeing how it actually looks has me even more interested.
Shit if this game plays like it did back on the Xbox it will probably be a more interesting and fun to play game than a lot of MP focused titles out today. There still isn't really anything else like it even to this day and it was already very far ahead of its time upon release.
Lime Blockade
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https://twitter.com/Ishmae1/status/859831765942140928
They just tweeted that Code Mystics helped out, so I'm assuming them.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Was pretty amazing they had to reverse engineer the game though.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Not really my type of game. Not sure what people expect though, it's a re-release of an OG Xbox game in 1080p. Just give me a couple more which are more up my street. Cough cough PGR2 cough cough Crimson Skies etc.
Microsoft in collaboration with Code Mystics, a Canadian developer with a focus on emulation and ports.
Also, I'm still looking for OT names if anyone is interested
Yeah, when they talk about not having the source code, you realize this is closer to some fan preservation efforts than anything else (considering they basically hacked in the improvements).
FlutterPuffs
Member
Yeah but man,
They must have really been working with an absolutely tight budget considering they didnt even update the textures.
Wonder if the plan for it to have paid DLC came from top.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Looks like PD. On one hand, I'm glad they're doing this in the first place with knowing how much of a micro-audience the first release had, but on the other hand, I wish they could have put more weight behind it than to merely create a mildly updated product. Who is doing this version and why isn't it Grounding?
ElBoxyBrown
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Yeah, I'm actually interested in knowing more about this.
why what?
I wouldn't call three of these games remasters because they use completely new graphic assets
Geometry didn't line up in H2A either.
That's kinda the attitude I have towards it. It looks very different from what's out there right now and if it's fun and has a decent amount of depth, I could see myself getting into it.
...Why do they have balance patches for a port/remaster/whatever of a decade+ old game handled with the cloud??? I'm starting to wonder if "the cloud" is just Microsoft's answer to everything.
Mass_Pincup
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We're in 2017, standard have been raised regarding quality or even comparable remaster of old games. Criticisms are warranted.
Probably something they were just like "Oh hey card data is stored this way, how about we just have those values be read from this server just encase we want to balance it?" Doesn't seem like too hard of a task once you find out how its getting values.
sixteen-bit
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One of my favorite Xbox games.
This isn't a remaster.
This is a port that benefits from running on more powerful hardware.
There is a difference.
Personally, I just want to be able to play Phantom Dust online again, so I'm thrilled. For an Xbox game, the assets they found hold up surprisingly well in HD.
I can see why people might think it looks clunky, but it works really well in practice. The strictness of the animation is what allows the game to balance your limited skill usage with all these different abilities, which makes each attack a meaningful commitment. I still haven't found a multiplayer game that mixes the immediacy of a real-time action game with the creativity of deck construction, so I'm glad to have it back.
I can see why people might think it looks clunky, but it works really well in practice. The strictness of the animation is what allows the game to balance your limited skill usage with all these different abilities, which makes each attack a meaningful commitment. I still haven't found a multiplayer game that mixes the immediacy of a real-time action game with the creativity of deck construction, so I'm glad to have it back.
Grim Patron
Member
I would take another Forza Horizon 3 expansion/literally a new car next month over this.
Again: the bar doesn't magically lower when you use a different name.