Doug Heffernan
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Sure, because Sony doesn't have any lame social networking crap built in or anything...
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Polygon Rumor: Xbox 720 DRM, Achievements, Friendslist, and Share feature info
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Sure, because Sony doesn't have any lame social networking crap built in or anything...
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
If achievements affect game design, then turning them off won't solve your problem.
If achievements don't affect game design, then the little pop-up prompt for getting one is not "the worst thing to happen to gaming in your lifetime" because you're still getting the game you would have got without them, and so it's all about your own neurosis in terms of having to deal with the prompts.
Really? You don't think that a single person at Microsoft, an enormous company that probably employs more lawyers alone than many medium-sized companies have total staff on their payroll, have considered something that took you about fifteen seconds to notice. Not one person.
Okay.
robertsan21
Member
they will have to come clean and say, "NO never will we be offering games that needs a online connection to be able to work for single player games etc" if they want me to buy this new xbox. Cause What if 2 years down the line when everyone paid for a 720 and publishers force always online down our throats?
This has to be very clear for me to even consider a 720.
This has to be very clear for me to even consider a 720.
BlastProcessing
Member
I just designed The box art for the NextBox!
I expect my check to be mailed thusly.
I expect my check to be mailed thusly.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
"Scan your bag of Doritos with Kinect 2 for an exlusive GEARS OF WAR 7 achievement!"
Nemesis_
Member
This, so much. I don't understand why people get so annoyed about achievements or trophies - they are there as a thing that you can either choose to pursue or not choose to pursue. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to your head to get them.
The hate they get is just so irrational and unwarranted.
Haha amazing.
Isn't it already technically in place? Music can already be turned off in favour of custom soundtracks. Why not just trip that switch for recorded footage as well?
Holy crap, that sounds amazing.
gaming_noob
Member
To complete this Achievement, please play Kinect with 3 other friends between October 5 and December 31 for at least 1 hour.
To complete this Achievement, please 'Like' us on Facebook!
I'm pretty sure I completely read the article and can see EXACTLY where this is going to lead.
Please keep this thread in mind 2-3 years down the line, I bet we'll have examples that are frighteningly close to what I've described.
Does it matter?
Beer Monkey
Member
That would be interesting.
Microsoft probably won't do it for first-party titles. Will EA and Activision? Probably not, as they'll be worried it will cut into sales.
Makes me not want to buy the system.
I have a suspicion PS4 will do the same. Hope I'm wrong. Already been thinking about going PC+WiiU exclusively, though.
Microsoft probably won't do it for first-party titles. Will EA and Activision? Probably not, as they'll be worried it will cut into sales.
Makes me not want to buy the system.
I have a suspicion PS4 will do the same. Hope I'm wrong. Already been thinking about going PC+WiiU exclusively, though.
The reason for always online drm is always to prevent piracy, it has nothing to do with providing services for us and all that other pr crap.
The always online if to stop people modding the xbox and playing pirated games so asking a publisher if they want an online check is redundant because the console already has it built in.
The case is closed on this people the next Xbox is ALWAYS ONLINE. They are trying to muddy the waters with many different details and angles to spin and confuse us but when you drown out all the noise what remains is DRM.
The always online if to stop people modding the xbox and playing pirated games so asking a publisher if they want an online check is redundant because the console already has it built in.
The case is closed on this people the next Xbox is ALWAYS ONLINE. They are trying to muddy the waters with many different details and angles to spin and confuse us but when you drown out all the noise what remains is DRM.
BloodMoney
Banned
people still read polygon?
faceless007
Member
So only some games might require one-time activation? I see this being extremely confusing to the average non-savvy gamer who's used to all games for a console operating in basically the same way as a product. Publishers will have to make it extremely explicit on the cover whether a game supports that or not, and of course many people won't know or understand what that means.
Outrage247
Banned
You make it sound like this some how hurts you for not trying to get those achievements. My god man just live your life and stop hating for no reason. If people want to get them be happy for them. Do you own thing. You're making it sound like the xbox is holing a gun at you on your couch. Hah
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
These 2 are contradictory.
Nemesis_
Member
I honestly don't see what is wrong with Godelsmetric's post. It is incredibly myopic to think that Microsoft wouldn't have thought this through (or have some kind of contingency in place to remedy it).
Heck it's not like Microsoft haven't delved into the entire music licensing business with their own entire service (and as such are unfamiliar with the concept of music licensing)
and yet you keep on coming back fo mo!
Some people like completing games 100% and this just shits on them completely.
It's not THAT hard to understand.
Outrage247
Banned
No joke, people complaining to just complain now. God Damn xbox giving some people more of what they like!
It's a good point, but easily fixed. BGM needs to be a separate track for custom soundtracks to work, and it's easy enough to simply not record that track when encoding video... which also solves the custom soundtrack issue.
And even if no one at MS thought of it, I promise the publishers have, especially since Sony's doing pretty much the same thing. It's not going to be a problem.
grimshawish
Banned
If I can turn my gamerscore on or off I'd be fine with achievements 100%.
They only annoy me because at this stage its a random number.
I'd have still got all the achievements in COD if they gave me an ingame incentive; I just don't like knowing people can almost see what I've been doing/playing. Which is pretty much the point; we know that from Giantbomb.
They only annoy me because at this stage its a random number.
I'd have still got all the achievements in COD if they gave me an ingame incentive; I just don't like knowing people can almost see what I've been doing/playing. Which is pretty much the point; we know that from Giantbomb.
First statement seems to say it's for media that you need to be always on.
Always-on up to the publisher... this isn't a good thing :-/ When it comes to consumer-friendly decisions, little to no publisher take the good ones... But it's where we're heading to (Sony and MS, next gen Nintendo as always 
) so... let's see what ther is at the end of that path.
) so... let's see what ther is at the end of that path.Wuthering_Heights
Banned
"To complete this achievement, please watch 47 hours of dashboard advertisements!"
I say with some level of confidence, and without actually knowing a single thing about conversations that have taken place in the Microsoft campus at Redmond during its entire history, that Microsoft have thought about it.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Miles Quaritch
Member
Sounds like it supports persistent online at an OS level, it doesn't sound like it's a mandatory requirement for all games, but the language used isn't exactly clear so it's still up in the air as to if the requirement is mandatory.
I think you would be surprised. I've know the same happen at major international broadcasters.
To be fair, I imagine that some of the lower level lawyers have noticed, but been ignored.
LOL.
I saw the writing on the wall in 2008 buddy, been completely done with 360 since Bayonetta in early 2010.
Try again!
Achievements are not mandatory. People that like them will have their fun and go get as many as they can. Others will ignore them and all will be fine. It really is not a big deal at all. I mean really at all.
grimshawish
Banned
Wonder if that means 'MS content can't be accessed but third party can' or if you can also set up your own DRM if you really really wanted to.
Nemesis_
Member
I know, and you'd have to be incredibly ignorant to think that Microsoft aren't aware of how powerful achievements are - heck Sony patched in trophies once we started seeing websites dedicated purely to achievements / trophies appearing on the net.
It's unfortunate, but it does happen - some people do buy games just for achievements. Removing these removes that segment of the market.
Why ruin that / lose that demo? And why on earth would you even consider it when achievements / trophies aren't even compulsory to complete a game?
It's also not like Microsoft haven't had a series of disasters caused by poor planning with such services.
same, haven't subscribed for live in ~2 years, only reason I'm still keeping my 360 around is for GTA 5
grimshawish
Banned
If there are 'special' achievements I could win one for a contest that only happens once or something. That could be cool. I don't give a fuck about hoarders so sorry guys; that'd be one good achievement aspect.
It would be gimmicky - but maybe fun for a while.
It would be gimmicky - but maybe fun for a while.
Out of interest, what disasters are those?
I just designed The box art for the NextBox!
I expect my check to be mailed thusly.
LOL
Dr.Palutena
Member
Games from certain publishers already have activation codes for online features, this sounds like they are extending it to the whole game, I assume they will handle it the same in regards to people being aware. I mean, they probably rather the average consumer buy the games, open the box, see a code that says they need to put this in before they can play it and either begrudgingly enter the code or carelessly enter it without a thought . None are gonna put "This game uses a code, you should reconsider buying it" on the cover .
I think it's reasonable to feel a moral objection to corporations using their consumers as guinea pigs for their advertising campaigns for free through exploitation of human psychology and ignorance. I mean, that stuff happens everywhere, all the time, and it's gross no matter what.