Outrage!!!!!!!!
I already have a fucking Honda. I am obviously exaggerating but I can see this entire thing being abused.
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Polygon Rumor: Xbox 720 DRM, Achievements, Friendslist, and Share feature info
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Outrage!!!!!!!!
I already have a fucking Honda. I am obviously exaggerating but I can see this entire thing being abused.
Miles Quaritch
Member
heh.
I hope they won't use the new extended friends list to create facebook like game design atrocities that require me to pester my friends to progress in a game. The DRM direction is disappointing but I'll reserve my judgment until I see it in action (if it is true at all in this form).
The big takeaway is that Sony was smart to go first to take the "innovator" role on obvious features like streaming and sharing.
The big takeaway is that Sony was smart to go first to take the "innovator" role on obvious features like streaming and sharing.
Dr.Palutena
Member
Just buy a used code for
I agree, letting publishers have this control is very foreboding, but at the very least if Sony and Microsoft aren't gonna let themselves be scapegoats by enforcing system-level online-required functionality to play games. I can at least condemn publishers who do go foward with this stuff and hope to play the games of publishers who wouldnt do this (or who arent brave enough to do this if they are the ones who will catch the flack).
Microsoft had no lack of lawyers going into the Zune situation, but still built a product that they then tried to export, found that they couldn't even have possibly ever licenced internationally (because none of the collecting societies had reciprocal arrangements to allow them to licence the download functionality in it even if they were interested in doing so) and basically just shat themselves as the entire platform fell apart and died.
And yes, Microsoft is a big enough company that I'm very sure the same cock up could happen again.
No need to be suspicious, they flat out said they would.
Alx
Member
Achievements are not meant to be a completion measurement. It's all in the name : achievement. The bigger ones are supposed to be an impressive feat, that not everybody can achieve, and that you can brag about.
I have no problem with "reach first place in the World leaderboard" achievements. Things like "finish the tutorial" are just fillers.
Master_Funk
Member
LOL at how polygon uses the word 'rethink' in the title, to make it sounds its something revolutionary.
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Just means far less incentive to be an early adopter. I want to see how this shakes out over time.
Once you've invested enough in the platform they can very easily turn the screws.
they are in bed now and are using (no) lube?!
Agreed. When I first heard people suggesting this well before the PS4 reveal -- I got excited. Once Sony officially announced it I was thrilled because I knew this would essentially become standard and Microsoft would follow suit.
MS are already making a firmware for your Xbox to record you non-stop and stream it to your followers.
Miles Quaritch
Member
One feature no-one has talked about yet, but I hope they are considering is game gifting and the 4 pack purchasing that's become popular on Steam.
Too much to hope it will come to consoles?
Too much to hope it will come to consoles?
Fixed1979
Member
Well done.
Alx
Member
It will be used as an incentive for gamers to play more games, like the current achievement system. If it's done correctly, it's not a bad thing, because we like playing games. If it's not, just ignore it, like all the other silly achievements that are not worth the time/energy they require.
Sony have also made similar messes, no doubt.
I do note that Sony were quite cagey about how the share functionality will work - they certainly didn't mention YouTube. It wouldn't surprise me if that ended up in a similar way, maybe with (hopefully with) sharing to social sites being links or embeds from a Sony video service that could obtain the neccessary licences.
Something useful? Stop hoping!
Without hearing more details it really is impossible to say. However the achievement system sounds possibly messy.
They way I read it a certain percentage of achievements must be tied into specific events or cross game/platform. Why would that be an attractive proposition to the gamer, or the developer? It makes the system far to complicated.
I'm all for refining the achievement and trophy system, but this sounds like MS are trying to reinvent the wheel. And how often does that work out well?
They way I read it a certain percentage of achievements must be tied into specific events or cross game/platform. Why would that be an attractive proposition to the gamer, or the developer? It makes the system far to complicated.
I'm all for refining the achievement and trophy system, but this sounds like MS are trying to reinvent the wheel. And how often does that work out well?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Thanks for the info, is it possible to link to the comments?
Beer Monkey
Member
So I see.
Of course, who sells their games with Online Pass? THQ...Activision...EA...and SONY. So there you go.
Thankfully MS doesn't even use an Online Pass with Halo.
So all the outrage about MS the last couple of months is because Durango is too much like PS4?
Will be interesting to see if the rumors are true.
I guess they can't force publishers to not require online, since MMOs kind of have to.
Didn't they say it'll connect to Twitch to stream?
cyberheater
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But Sony did say it would allow used games on it's console. Are you saying that position has now changed and it's up the individual publishers to decide?
Miles Quaritch
Member
You're probably right, but it's something that would be very useful and needs to happen. I hope it happens, if not at launch, then at some point within the first year or so.
BlastProcessing
Member
Are we shitting on MS, or is MS getting ready to drop a deuce on us?
Same man, it would be an awesome addition.
"Ive heard something to address that but havent been able to second source it yet."
Both.
So far nothing official has been said and none of the rumors really bother me.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but Sony's saying they will allow used games is not equivalent to saying they'll require it. Only that there will not be a blanket prohibition. No?
You would imagine that You Tube will be part of it. I'm sure the functionality is already there in the PS3 to upload to You Tube, just few games support it.
Remember You Tube is Google. I think there is a better chance in hell freezing over than Google offering MS exclusive access to their service.
There is a good chance of Facebook, and You Tube integration. I know twitter wasn't mentioned back in Feb, but that could be down to several reasons e.g. a licensing deal hasn't been sorted yet. I know some of us though maybe it was due to MS getting exclusive rights, but again I don't see any of the major social sites edging their bets on one single platform. It goes against the "social" principle of the sites.
It will be interesting to see if any integrate Twitch at all. You can stream directly to Twitch via Origin.
Not sure about that, but everything i have read here sounds a lot like what the PS4 is doing as well. From file share/recording stuff to the "letting publishers decide on DRM" thing.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Yes, so far Twitch is the only site they've mentioned for streaming, but they haven't disclosed the list of sites that they'll allow for video upload. I'm sure youtube will be one of them though.
4 pack pricing is one of the best ideas Valve has ever had.
* Publisher wins because you sell 4 copies guaranteed, even at the price of (usually) 3. Better to sell 4 copies at a slight discount than only 1 full price copy.
* Consumer wins because we all tend to play MP games in a circle of friends, and this allows us to do so slightly cheaper.
If Microsoft and Sony take anything away from Steam to use on their own services, it needs to be the 4 pack.
BlastProcessing
Member
Ahh the internet, a scatological 69.