Obscuritas
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More likely that's the exact audience who will stick to to their PS4/X1(slim), where the said games will still be perfectly playable.
It's not like the PS4/X1 will magically become the 2013's 360/PS3 after the Scorpio's release.
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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More likely that's the exact audience who will stick to to their PS4/X1(slim), where the said games will still be perfectly playable.
It's not like the PS4/X1 will magically become the 2013's 360/PS3 after the Scorpio's release.
VincentMatts
Member
Even forward, how are they gonna handle this? As it is now, games are developed for the lowest common denominator and "upgraded" to better HW when needed. Games will still be designed with xbox ones limitations in mind. So whether its scorpio or Neo, we're still going to get games that have to work on the old hardware and that will cause parity problems.
I dont see them really taking real advantage of this new HW other than for maybe VR.
I know backwards and forward compatible is a good marketing idea but in reality i find its more problematic than just having a fresh start.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
You will see Resolution bump, better effects etc.. its not just for VR. Hell i think VR wont do that well anyway in the next years
wapplew
Member
Not when they could play same games on much cheaper hardware.
Without exclusive, those premium hardware, Scorpio or Neo will only make up for 15-20% overall install base.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Perhaps it'll be called Xbox 11. Aka the Xbox One-One. 
We could be seeing a Windows 11 style Windows update by then also, so that's something to keep in mind I suppose lol.
We could be seeing a Windows 11 style Windows update by then also, so that's something to keep in mind I suppose lol.
TheLaughingStock
Member
I have no idea. But it seems self-evident that the Atom version of Surface 3 was a total flop and the Pro version dominated sales with low shipments. And you can spin that flop and say MS's best bet is to offer products that follow the x86/open idea because of the Surface Pro. But I don't buy it because a number of products have seen massive success or are competitive without compatibility. Additionally, a post mentioned the iPad Pro shipments (a flop by Apple's standards) where two products few people want were trading blows that quarter. I think closed and controlled is the way to go for MS if that's the plan for Xbox.
The Windows Store on the XBO is going to be additive where as the Surface RT didn't add anything great to a normal PC user. With the Xbox One getting the Windows Store...going forward, it will basically be a Windows 10 PC with a different shell and input method.
I agree, they aren't in the business of selling PCs outside of having premium hardware that influences the markets and OEMs (which is was Surface was made for). The Xbox isn't for that. The Xbox is basically Windows Media PCs. It took them forever to get there but that's what it seems it is.
The Windows Store is going to have a lot of good games on it, in the form of Xbox games, making it more enticing to developers to make software for the store. That's the most interesting part to me. MS is literally having the Xbox be the spark for the Windows Store and to get developers back to making software on their platform that's not Win32 based. Developers know that video game consoles are at a lot of televisions and that's the only "smart device" that's been consistently in the living room. While Roku, chromecasts, etc... devices have gotten popular, video game consoles really rule the television (in terms of popularity). So I'm sure MS (and Sony) know that they really want to dominate the untapped market that really hasn't been revolutionized yet. That's why the Kinect was there in the first place...but MS didn't have their software aligned yet. That's probably why the UWP interests me.
Xbox Scorpio = Xbox 4.
I believe the slim model that is coming this year will actually have that, as well as the Scorpio next year.
I really doubt the slim will have a UHD bluray if they want to sell it for $300 or less
...Scatter...
Banned
Would be a good add as an affordable UHD player to give the old XB1 another market.
At least a certain period of forwards compatibility should be assumed really. As you say, games are created for the lowest common denominator, and that will apply beyond the Xbox ecosystem. Multiplatform games with still need to run on a stock PS4, which would also imply that it'll run on a stock XB1. The move away from this base level would likely not occur until the PS5 represents a clean(er) break from the current gen, at which point either the Scorpio becomes the new base, the PS5 does, or whatever console MS puts out after it. We're not likely to be seeing notable amounts of Scorpio exclusive software, as that would also rule out anything else that's not a PC.
What would make it expensive?
UHD bluray drives are expensive. standalone players are $400
Because they have to have hardware to support the playback, something even the PS4 and Xbox One already have going pretty much. The new consoles coming will absolutely have UHD compatibility. Just don't get Jeff_Rigby going on how the PS4 and Xbox One should already be capable of supporting the standard.
Scorpio and Neo yeah but Xbox one slim I don't think so. that was my original post
And I'm saying the slim will have that content playback capability. It's not like we'll be playing games at 4K, it'll be strictly just UHD streaming and Blu-ray videos with it essentially being Microsoft's push to be the most affordable UHD playback device on the market.
I really doubt it but we'll see
Captain Zyrain
Member
Oh no, he's been summoned!
Art Vandilay
Member
Haha why does he catch so much heat? The vast majority of his posts go way over my head, but they seem to be well researched.
Good point. Zen should have some decent flops (for a CPU) given that it's a desktop class processor, not like AMD's Bobcat / Jaguar / Puma line
As for Polaris 10, I think it has 40 Compute Units if none are deactivated, so the ones that are not top-end will have 36 CUs. There's speculation that Neo / PS4K, because of its reported specs might be using Polaris 10, because there are no other AMD parts with exactly 36 CUs. However because Polaris is a newer GCN architecture, it might break compatibility with PS4's GPU which is GCN 1.0
I'm leaning toward Scorpio having something else than a Polaris 10 GPU. But if it is Polaris 10 / Ellesmere XT, you'd have 40 CUs, so then it would have to be really clocked high to get 6 TF.
anothertech
Member
Would be awesome if they used a method other than numbers to name the systems though.
Xbox Scorpio sounds so bad ass.
If be down for
Xbox Aquarius
Xbox Leo
Xbox Pisces
Etc
Doubt it would happen though
They could also go alphanumeric
Xbox Alpha
Xbox Beta (lol)
Xbox Charlie
Xbox Delta
Etc
Xbox Scorpio sounds so bad ass.
If be down for
Xbox Aquarius
Xbox Leo
Xbox Pisces
Etc
Doubt it would happen though
They could also go alphanumeric
Xbox Alpha
Xbox Beta (lol)
Xbox Charlie
Xbox Delta
Etc
...Scatter...
Banned
That's terrible.
Xbox Infinity (as in forever, no more gens)
Then you slap either a number or a year on it.
Xbox Infinity 2017 or XBOX Infinity 1
Xbox Infinity 2020 or XBOX Infinity 2
Never know. Cortana started out as a code name and people loved it so much it stuck.
Art Vandilay
Member
But that name also made way too much sense, considering Cortana is the AI you talk to in Halo...
No, players cost that much, not the drives.
Also this is right now premium market and there is close to no competition on the market, not to mention that the mt8581 will cost some money as it is rather new.
That all adds to cost.
The hardware itself to decode the video is already there, you only need an appropriate drive and current 4k HDMI.
Well there is iPad, iPad 2, etc. If Apple can release a tablet almost yearly and keep a numbering format. You call it Xbox Two, Xbox Two S, Xbox Three, etc. It also allows them to re-brand some of the poor messaging problems from Xbox One.
Are standalone UHD drives even being manufactured yet?
Well, apparently as there are also already players available.
Isn't there still just that one single Samsung player?
And I'm not seeing any standalone UHD players on sites like Newegg.
Why would that even be a thing?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I suspect they may call the Slim Xbox 4K (because of the player) to line up with PlayStation 4. Then Scorpio becomes 5 so they're on even ground numbering wise.
Otherwise they just start calling it Xbox.
There is also the Panasonic DMP-UB900EGK. Also I heard that there are not that much differences in the tech itself so it should be fairly easy to get drives produced.
Is there an existing 40CU GPU design in the AMD line-up? I would tend to think that a straight shrink of existing design (CU, ROP, TMU count) along with architectural improvements would be easier in terms of layout etc.
If P10 is really a 40CU design then 1GHz gets you about 5.2TFlops and adding Zen cores, it would be 5.5TFlops. That's over 4x the Xbox One target.
Same way that lack of 360 controller support on the XB1 is a thing?
It's a slightly different scenario, that's why I'm putting it out there.
TubbiestPack
Neo Member
wait, you can use a 360 controller on xbox one?
Badly worded - obviously not.
Completely different scenario though. Because this isn't a new generation of console just a higher specced Xbox One. And since it's running x86 I can't think of any driver reason why it wouldn't work at least wired.
I think it is closer to a new generation. Phil Spencer said as much when he said he didn't like ".5" releases.
Samurai G0SU
Member
This one is for atomicjorge
The new xbox will be called xbox quattro
The new xbox will be called xbox quattro
Must be one of the prospective people that might make up 2.4 percent of the tablet market that actually buy a Surface/pro/book then.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
It'll be OS dependent, like iOS.
VincentMatts
Member
Yeah well that kinda sucks if you ask me. I mean lets take halo6, the game will still probably have (for the most part) the same limitations that the xbox one version will have. Only it will have a higher rez, better FPS, maybe some extra stuff like split-screen, but the gameplay itself will have to be the base xbox one version gameplay since co-op between both consoles will have to work. Or will it?
Personally i find that disappointing even though i would still appreciate being able to play with xbox one people. I guess i want my cake and eat it too.
oldergamer
Member
Notch?
You guys remember a few months ago Major Nelson changed his Twitter background to this current one:
Solar system, right? Scorpio is an astrological sign, constellations...etc.
Is that bottom right sign a cypher?
Also:
Hmmm, curious.
Solar system, right? Scorpio is an astrological sign, constellations...etc.
Is that bottom right sign a cypher?
Also:
Notice observer, competitive, extremist, dangerous enemy...etc.
Hmmm, curious.
No. To all of this.
SEGAvangelist
Member
To all of this? It's pretty obvious why they chose "Scorpio."
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Maybe the Scorpio is so powerful it can finally crack the infamous Zodiac 340 Cipher.
#creativechatter + #hiddenmeanings
jk
#creativechatter + #hiddenmeanings
jk
It's pretty obvious that a cool picture of a solar system that has nothing to do with constellations or the zodiac has nothing to do with it.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I doubt it has anything to do with Scorpio as well, but there was a second part of the post, and it's obvious they chose Scorpio for those reasons.