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RedNumberFive said:
It probably won't be as bent over as forums. And they don't even get as many free games!
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PS3 Firmware Update 3.21 of preventing piracy by removing Linux.
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It probably won't be as bent over as forums. And they don't even get as many free games!
RedNumberFive
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lupinko said:
Interesting counter-point. Although I'm on the side of not removing features from my console, your eloquent post has made me see this arguement from another angle.
railGUN said:
Wow, how do you make it day to day with the Universes sense of injustice? You must live in a basement and shun the outside world, else you would go mad. Do you want to know why most of us don't give a shit, beyond not using the feature? There are much much more important things to worry about. It's that simple.
Want to quietly protest with your wallet, go for it. But save your outrage for something real, be an adult.
I can understand why some people feel mad, but seriously not everyone needs or wants to follow suit. It's perfectly fine.
We know people have filed complains with the authorities. We should be able to get some answers from Sony one way or another. The press (ahem !) has a window to do some reader service.
Meanwhile I am going to beat some games, get some work done, and chill out. While it is possible that some Sony higher up got freaked out by Geohot. It is also possible that some gamers over-react or over generalize.
We know people have filed complains with the authorities. We should be able to get some answers from Sony one way or another. The press (ahem !) has a window to do some reader service.
Meanwhile I am going to beat some games, get some work done, and chill out. While it is possible that some Sony higher up got freaked out by Geohot. It is also possible that some gamers over-react or over generalize.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
This cheesy point is undermined by the fact you're still posting in this thread.DeadGzuz said:
But this has nothing to do whether the OtherOS feature is useful or not. I'm notpatsu said:
sitting in front of my PS3Linux waiting until open source brings heaven down to
earth. There are infinetly many things one can do -- independent of the 'speed up'.
Does it?Clear said:
Alot of people really need a reality check. Do you really think Sony didn't have a team of lawyers looking over what they were about to do? The company knows full well before they do someone what the legal implications are. Which means that yes, Sony knows that they will have no legal problems removing Linux.
It goes like this. PSN is a service, provided to you by Sony, and you can use it at your discretion. A requirement for using this service is having the latests firmware. Sony believes Linux is a security risk and removed it. If there is a game that requires the PSN, then they are legally justified.
Yes, this means some of you who don't update won't be able to play the newest games, because they require the latest firmware, regardless of PSN access. This is a consequence that later firmwares are going to add new features (cross game chat).
Bottom line is, if you used ps3 for linux, sorry, you're out of luck. You aren't going to be able to take Sony to court. You can't sue. Legally, you're rights have not been violated. Personally, and in your opinion, you probably feel so. Sell the PS3 and get something else.
It goes like this. PSN is a service, provided to you by Sony, and you can use it at your discretion. A requirement for using this service is having the latests firmware. Sony believes Linux is a security risk and removed it. If there is a game that requires the PSN, then they are legally justified.
Yes, this means some of you who don't update won't be able to play the newest games, because they require the latest firmware, regardless of PSN access. This is a consequence that later firmwares are going to add new features (cross game chat).
Bottom line is, if you used ps3 for linux, sorry, you're out of luck. You aren't going to be able to take Sony to court. You can't sue. Legally, you're rights have not been violated. Personally, and in your opinion, you probably feel so. Sell the PS3 and get something else.
j-wood said:
Where were these team of lawyers during the rootkit fiasco? Just because you have a team of highly paid lawyers does not mean that every decision you make is a sound decision from a legal standpoint.
Whether Sony is in the right or not for removing other os support depends on whether the courts will side with the EULA or consumer rights. European courts have already shown that the EULA mean dick all if it's harming the consumer or taking away some of their rights in the long run.
railGUN said:
"Enough is Enought" of what. Beside OtherOS what other issues did you had with PS3?
I am not even saying taking OtherOS is OK.
But for some reason you keep forgetting how much PS3 features has improved continuously for past 3 plus years for free.
Yes, this looks like a shitty move, but surely not worth "OMG DEATH TO SONY" especially since we have been getting system improvements for free since launch.
j-wood said:
*insert Dragona's BBC link here about Sony's rootkit*
*insert numerous court orders about Sony and anti-consumer practices here*
Oh, hi, remember us?
Sony may have a team of lawyers, but I'll be damned if they look through all the laws before doing anything. That rootkit? By law is against the law, dude.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Professionals can be wrong, professionals can make mistakes, professionals can overlook things, and yes, sometimes professionals can try to pull a fast one. They're human beings and they're prone to flaws like anyone else. It would be fucking amazing if highly-skilled, highly-paid people never screwed up, but they do.j-wood said:
Sarye said:
The thing is, and I mean this in the least trollish way possible, people actually care about BC.
Installing Linux on a PS3 is a lark, I guess, but ultimately makes as much sense as putting Linux on a charcoal grill. Sony support will get 12 phone calls tonight from dudes who frequent GAF and Ars Technica.
The problem is you guys who are upset are playing the roles of outraged consumers, without really considering the usefulness of this option they're removing.
charlequin
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Clear said:
Did you miss the huge amount of discussion in this thread talking about how EULAs at very best range from "inconsistently enforceable" (in the US) to "broadly unenforceable" (most other places)? Sony can't use a contract of adhesion to force users to give up their rights under EU law.
In case you did, let me mention it again: EULAs are contracts of adhesion that are considered partially or fully unenforceable in most jurisdictions. In addition, almost no country in which PS3s are sold allows contracts which void a consumer's law-given rights to be enforceable whether they are adhesion contracts or not. In other words, Sony cannot possibly erase any legal liability this action has created for them simply by rewriting their EULAs.
RedNumberFive said:
Very true.
j-wood said:
Just like they knew what they were doing when they released the PSP Go? Corporations are not mighty, all-knowing deities; they're imperfect groups of human beings who make decisions in what can often be sub-optimal fashions. The notion that Sony's action here stands by definition as proof that their action is legal is utterly ludicrous.
EmCeeGramr
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how dare you all insult sony ignore the african children
how dare you
how dare you
RedNumberFive
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Cheech said:
According to Sony and MS, this is not the case. We might as well get rid of it, so Sony can cover all their bases. Media streaming seems like it could be compromised. I don't think the majority of PS3 users use that either.
RedNumberFive
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Cheech said:
Well it's useful to you, but not me, so who cares? Let's take it out just in case. We should have feature parity with the slims anyhow.
Cheech said:
What's the use of media streaming and BC? I have devices that do a better job streaming, and a PS2 that does a better job playing BC games.
kpop100 said:Well the PC is much better at playing PS2 games through emulation and as a media player as well so might as well drop those features too right?
I wouldn't call the ability to install Linux a "feature". It's more like a "curiosity". A feature implies a measure of usefulness.
I'm going to go home tonight, update the firmware, and then have a wicked time in Battlefield with some friends. Just like most of the OUTRAGED SONY CONSUMERS in this thread.
I bet that the OtherOS feature does not consume a single bit of RAM while theSpeevy said:
GameOS is running, whereby the other way around holds true, i.e. the GameOS
has an effect on the memory left for the OtherOS.
That's usually the way a suspicious post starts to unfold. :lolj-wood said:
RedNumberFive
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Cheech said:
I'd argue that Folding at Home and Playstation Home aren't inherently useful, but since I personally don't use them, I don't think they're necessary.
RedNumberFive said:
Media streaming makes sense on a PS3 because most people have them hooked up to devices that contain speakers, and might want to enjoy their video/music in a different room than their PC.
BC makes sense, because the chief function of the PS3 is to play games.
Installing Linux on a PS3 is a waste of time with no appreciable function.
RedNumberFive
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Cheech said:
Oh I see, we're only overreacting because it's a feature that YOU don't use. I'll keep note of that.
So does this update install automatically on slims or something? I've checked every possibility and there's no way anyone has touched my console for three days. Unless someone broke into my home during the four hours I was at school today and installed the update without stealing the PS3 afterwards I have no explanation.
RedNumberFive said:
Be realistic. What percentage of the PS3 userbase do you think regularly use their PS3s for Linux? And I don't mean the people who install it once, say "that's neat", and then delete it.
Let's say, for example, you could run Windows on a PS3. That would be neat as well, but who is going to use a machine with 256 megs of RAM for any type of modern app? Like Linux, these people will still just continue to use their laptops/desktops to run Windows on.
I'm not entirely unsympathetic here. If you use your PS3 as even a semi-full time Linux box, I feel for you. But it's just not a feature that makes a whole lot of sense for Sony to keep maintaining.
