Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Ironically enough, the only consoles with exclusive games are the PS4 and NX, actually.
If you get an NX a PS4 and a PC, you are 100% covered next gen.
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PS4 PRO 4K native games (will update the list everytime there is a new game)
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Ironically enough, the only consoles with exclusive games are the PS4 and NX, actually.
If you get an NX a PS4 and a PC, you are 100% covered next gen.
No thanks. I don't know what your viewpoint is, but i still care a lot about graphical and game design innovations granted by higher powered hardware, and how the industry usually knows how to wholesale advance on these parameters is by clearly defined console generations, where software can take advantage of the hardware in a specific way
House's statements have been clear that they are not aiming to take that away in particular. Making that a goal of PS4 Pro after only 3 years of PS4 would destroy essentially any solvency in the console industry and be a disaster for developers to focus on the target hardware.
These iterative units should stay exactly what they are: iterative, optional, and not defined by their own titles.
Some of it's fake concern but I don't think it's fair to sweep all of it under the rug like that. We're not talking about HDR here, it's really easy to display the benefits of downsampling to 1080p tv users.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
My bad then, it must have been the early unclear informations at that time. I think the MicroSoft confirmed exclusive VR only games on Scorpio.
Crayon
Member
They said lots of things. I'm not convinced they have a plan in stone at this point.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I don't disagree but still, the new consoles will be hampered by the current ones. A better solution would be to start developing on PS4 PRO and then port to PS4 which will benefit both. I remember when devs got to grips with the PS3 and started doing multiplats on PS3 then on XBox 360, the latter benefited from it.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Yeah. I remember reading in some articles that developers may be free to develop exclusive games on Scorpio, but I just googled the most recent articles and they meant only VR games. It seems their plans aren't well settled for the time being knowing that the console is far away from release.
Edit: Look, I didn't came up with such talk from thin air:
Xbox One Scorpio WILL have exclusive games, won't affect Xbox One fans, Microsoft reveal
Xbox Chief reiterates that Project Scorpio will not have exclusive games
Confusing, isn't it?
That's the whole point.
Pro is essentially a marginally stronger PS4 and is meant to only be able to do what PS4 can do at a higher fidelity.
There is no benefit to leading development with Pro. When they said this was an iterative unit, they meant that. And, with that in mind, developed the console's components with the mindset that developers would take their PS4 games and simply 'upport' them. This would allow them to take advantage of the stronger specs in the process in a manner that could primarily be seen as a benefit for 4KTV HDR users, but be seen by everyone else as well.
I'm also not sure how you came to the conclusion that leading on pro would benefit PS4, that only means that that SKU would suffer with devs trying to cut things down. Upporting is much simpler than downporting. With downporting, your trying to close a closet overflowing with clothes. Upporting,your throwing a smaller amount of clothes into a bigger closet, easily shutting the door
CyberPunked
Member
I wish that Sony and Microsoft would release a number of tiers of consoles (kinda like phones). I would love to have the ability to buy a $600 PS4 that would guarantee awesome performance.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Same here. I look at Uncharted 4 and I can't help but feel how much more awesome it would be at 60fps given how great it already looks at 30 fps.
That would eliminate the point of their 2 years spent into making an iterative PS Pro. They don't have the logistics to do that, nor do they have the actual money to pump into continuous multiple console configurations to an oversaturated marketplace that would not buy any one of those SKU's enough to justify its existence.
I think the people who talk like this are unconsciously looking for a PC where they can get whatever hardware they want.
Crayon
Member
If there were enough people who felt the same sony would make one. Perhaps one day though depending on how the market develops.
Their plan is pretty simple actually.
create a user base that can continue to scale. The reason they can make Scorpio & not worry about if it sell 1 million or 20 million is because the software will also play on Xbox One & Windows 10 PCs that meet the requirements.
Their messaging has made it more confusing than it needs to be, that's for sure. As far as I can tell the promise is that what we've traditionally thought of as a console title, something displayed on an attached television, will be released for the Xbox One family as a whole. VR experiences are being treated as a completely distinct category to be introduced as a Scorpio accessory.
So the loophole appears to be that anything that requires a Scorpio-specific peripheral is exempted. It does raise questions about whether titles can exist that run on both with optional VR content for Scorpio. That's something I think Sony has done well, allowing titles like Rise of the Tomb raider to feature a truly scalable experience that takes advantage of an optional peripheral as well as the extra horsepower of the PS4 Pro.
The way I see it is the VR games that Scorpio will get is also the UWP games that will play on PC & Xbox One but Xbox One might not meet the requirement for the VR headset/game like some PCs will not meet the requirements.
Omnistalgic
Member
Nah, we just want Sony to make us a PC.
And that's essentially what PS4P is to me, and I'm in day one.
It is! November 10th.
Your not going to get a PC because you still don't have full control. This is just a slightly more powerful option than what's already available.
Its fine on its own, but my issue arises when people suggest that Pro's existence means traditional generational changes should be eliminated. There's room for better than the current experience in iterative units, but i don't think it should come at the cost of the traditional console experience people enjoy.
I am with you on that one sir
ReBurn
Gold Member
They will have this icon on the case from the start: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1276611&highlight=
So they will include PS4 PRO data on the disk, unless devs make updates to add more features or correct hiccups.
How does the icon being on the packaging guarantee that the 4K assets are on the disc? Given that many AAA games are already pushing the capacity of dual-layer Bluray I find it difficult to believe that at least some games won't have to download additional assets due to disc space considerations.
What make you think that the games need new assets for 4K?
Wildstar75
Member
Nice thread! Hope a similar one will pop up for VR and Pro!
ReBurn
Gold Member
It's not needing new assets for 4K that I'm concerned about. My concern is the standard PS4 being able to use native 4K assets and maintain adequate performance. If it can do it then great.
PS4 games are already made with high quality assets they are not going to hurt the base PS4 just to have 4K games on PS4 Pro.
BlitzerRadic
Member
Requirements for all Pro games is 1080p minimum. BF1 is going to be 1080p, 60 fps.
Asset sizes are almost invariably constrained by memory, and the PS4 Pro doesn't have any more RAM than the PS4 does. So developers aren't suddenly going to opt for higher resolution textures. You're just going to see the detail that is already present from a greater distance.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Not really the right thread, but should I expect this thing to sell out/be hard to find on release day?
LurkingFear
Member
It all depends.
How do you intend to purchase it? Amazon?? Check their best sellers (Video games) list every so often and look for their in-stock updates.
Plan to buy it from a brick and mortar store locally to you? Call them up or swing by and ask about how their pre-orders are looking.
At the very worst, just preorder it from a store of your choosing if they are still available, and cancel it near launch if you cant afford it. Someone will buy your reserve if you dont.
I'm sure there will be those people buying 8 hoping to flip them.
anothertech
Member
Not likely, if this thread is any indication, I think a lot of PS4 owners aren't sure if they need to make the switch.
That said, I wouldn't hesitate to put a preorder in just in case. Even without a 4K tv, that sweet super sampling and possible other benefits to our 1080p games is going to be amazing.
I'm honestly surprised to see this many 4K native games already confirmed. I would have thought the uprendering with more effects tech would have been more ideal even for those games listed. Will be fun to see how this list goes into the future.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Can't wait to see digital foundry videos of Skyrim and eso comparing with standard 1080p version, should be interesting. Im more of an Xbox user so getting a Scorpio, but I'll probably get a PS4 Pro used down the line to play some of the exclusives on 4k and HDR.
Is Uncharted 4 confirmed to be 4k?
Is Uncharted 4 confirmed to be 4k?
DangerMouse
Member
Yup, it was shown in checkerboard 4K + HDR during the reveal event and listed on multiple sites as well.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/09...charted-4-days-gone-and-more-displayed-in-4k/
http://www.businessinsider.com/ps4-pro-playstation-4-games-4k-list-2016-9/#uncharted-4-1
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
I haven't tried games in HDR but movies were a revelation. Can't wait to try out FH3 and GoW4 in HDR when I get home. uncharted 4 in HDR sounds like it would be glorious!
Rick Dangerous
Member
This. Can't wait to jump to this generation.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
When you download a PC game, it has almost the same size as a console game. To switch beteween settings from medium to Very high, you don't need to downlad anything else, the same for changing the resolution of the game.
PS4 PRO has 500 MB of VRAM more (unlocked) available for games and higher brandwidth. Isn't that enough for higher resolution textures?
Nostremitus
Member
Edit: I've always used the term "2K" wrong when referencing resolutions...
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
That is why Sony is not recommending 1440p because it is not well adapted. They are recommending the other higher resolutions 1800p, 1890p, 2000p etc.
When they talk about 2K TV they are talking about what you call a 1080P or full HDTV
https://www.cnet.com/news/tv-resolution-confusion-1080p-2k-uhd-4k-and-what-they-all-mean/
Nostremitus
Member
Indeed, I learned something new today. 2K is actually a bit bigger than 1080p but not so much larger that it doesn't fit under it's umbrella... The same way 4K is technically 4096X2160 but the 16:9 resolution 3840X2160(UHD) falls under the 4K umbrella...
So... what? Would 2560X1440 be 720^2?
WQHD Wide Quad High Definition
Nostremitus
Member
So it never got a "K" name.
It is to 720 what UHD is the 1080... so I'm not even sure what to call it... 4K ready? The same way 720 was called HD ready? lol
The "K" is something that's usually use when talking about cinema resolutions & I don't think there was a point where 1440P or close to it caught on as a standard for filming so they never felt the need to make it a TV standard so you wouldn't see the "K" used for it much but if they did use K it would be 2.5K
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
2160p isn't native 4K anyway because 2160p = 3840 x 2160 while native 4K = 4096 x 2160. Saying that UHD TVs and games running in 2160p are native 4K is just a way to promote them.
4K is UHD , but UHD covers a large range of resolutions & 3840 x 2160 is basically 4K but in the standard wide screen TV ratio. it's 4K as far as TVs go there is no need of changing the wide screen standard for TVs just to make it exactly 4096 x 2160.
Neither increase is dedicated to a specific purpose so developers can use it as they see fit. Still, the additional bandwidth will be consumed rapidly enough by the increased fill rate required to render at higher target resolutions. The bump in RAM allocation will likewise be necessary due to the 2-4x increase in the size of frame buffers and intermediate render targets. This is especially important for titles whose RAM budgets are already tight that Sony is trying to entice into patching for the PS4 Pro.