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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Backfoggen
Banned
Seems like I will wait with my Uncharted 4 playthrough. Wonder what MS is doing. If they have a super similar setup again then I'm calling collusion lol.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
I'm not opposed to the concept of iterative hardware in theory, but that price and the lack of a tradein option are just... I'm sorry, I can't get behind that, at all. I just bought my PS4 too. :|
Like if this was $100 or whatever, okay, that's reasonable. But this is the price of an entirely new console. I cannot justify that for myself.
The games may run, but I can't help but be concerned as to what level is considered the acceptable minimum by publishers. We already have cases like Hyrule Warriors which might as well be an N3DS exclusive.
Like if this was $100 or whatever, okay, that's reasonable. But this is the price of an entirely new console. I cannot justify that for myself.
The games may run, but I can't help but be concerned as to what level is considered the acceptable minimum by publishers. We already have cases like Hyrule Warriors which might as well be an N3DS exclusive.
oh boy the sony defence force is super out in full right now.
Yes of course I could trade in my PS4 and get a 1/3rd of the price for what i paid for it to line sony's pocket with even more money after they've effectively shafted me to begin with.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Come on. Its asking developers to build games to 2 different specs instead of one optimized version, leaving those who invested in the system early a potentially suboptimal game.
And we all know goddamn well which version will be in all the marketing.
This is the definition of a lose scenario. It's a win win is a beautiful fantasy world were all things are equal and these games won't have drastic performance differences.
Generation is a term that will likely cease to exist.
I'd usually say I'd wait a year for a price drop, but then I'm only 2 years from the next co sole releases which means I should buy a PC.
omgwtfbentime
Member
sony needs a trade in+leasining option for this to make sense. If the PS4 hardware (maybe just "PS hardware" now) gets refreshed every 2 years or so now, let users pay $15 a month to get the latest hardware+a system and maybe additional contract signing goodies. Would make it still a decent amount more affordable than going PC and I think retailers would love it if they could lock users in like that and guarantee people coming in to swap out hardware and such.
I don't know if I'm into this. I'm not against shorter console cycles with cheaper hardware, but I think it could get confusing pretty quicly
I don't know if I'm into this. I'm not against shorter console cycles with cheaper hardware, but I think it could get confusing pretty quicly
friskykillface
Banned
$400 or more? lol no thanks
if a new console would release every two years after a consoles launch i'd just wait
if a new console would release every two years after a consoles launch i'd just wait
DryvBy
Member
Devilgunman
Member
I have no problem with this as long as my current PS4 still play new games many years to come. I will upgrade probably 3-4 years later like I do with my phone.
Demanufacture
Banned
WhiskerFrisker
Member
tiredheadcrab
Member
I am not pissed. Bring it on. Day 1. Also Xbox 1.5.
Last thread some people were convincing the rest of us that the OG PS4 would not be given low priority, that this wouldn't be a PS3-PS4 cross-gen situation, that Uncharted 4 already looks awesome etc.
Basically that the architecture allows for easy scaling
If OP is to be believed, we will be getting beautiful 1080p 60FPS God of War trailers and gameplay videos, Deep Down insane effect showcases and then when we buy the unmarketed PSPoor version, we will get dicked. You know how you never saw PS3 versions of cross-gen games in marketing? Get ready for you OG PS4 to become the shunned console now.
"Sacrifices"
Really, Sony?
This is exactly what shouldn't have happened. Remember Ubisoft's statement about PC gamers that "they can always buy a better graphics card"? Now combine that with the fact that the mainstream gamer doesn't give a damn about framerate and resolution, which the devs know, and what do you get? Devs subtly giving less and less priority to the OG PS4 when developing. Nobody will notice anyway, except us doofs who don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Basically that the architecture allows for easy scaling
If OP is to be believed, we will be getting beautiful 1080p 60FPS God of War trailers and gameplay videos, Deep Down insane effect showcases and then when we buy the unmarketed PSPoor version, we will get dicked. You know how you never saw PS3 versions of cross-gen games in marketing? Get ready for you OG PS4 to become the shunned console now.
"Sacrifices"
Really, Sony?
This is exactly what shouldn't have happened. Remember Ubisoft's statement about PC gamers that "they can always buy a better graphics card"? Now combine that with the fact that the mainstream gamer doesn't give a damn about framerate and resolution, which the devs know, and what do you get? Devs subtly giving less and less priority to the OG PS4 when developing. Nobody will notice anyway, except us doofs who don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Ol No Bones
Banned
This. Honestly, I don't know why this freaks people out so much.
Obliterator
Member
People need to get their meltdowns and such out of the way now, and move on to the acceptance faze of things soon. Xbox will do the same thing. Maybe as soon as E3
These systems are generally based off of off-the-shelf APUs so they're presumably looking at two basic options AMD set up for them at separate price points.
TimeEffect
Member
I just want to know:
Are current PS4 users getting the shaft?
Current PS4 users aren't going to be given poorer treatment are they? I worry that devs wont optimize games for us the same way anymore
Are current PS4 users getting the shaft?
Current PS4 users aren't going to be given poorer treatment are they? I worry that devs wont optimize games for us the same way anymore
Garrett Hawke
Member
Pretty much
This completely removes the even playing field of MP games and if history says anything it means that normal PS4 owners are going to get half optimised crap.
Gj Sony.
entremet
Member
Joe Walmart doesn't care. And Sony is counting on those who really care about performance to upgrade.
Little Monser
Banned
The meltDOWNS HA!
Stay PRESSed lol!
These meltdowns I LIVE FOR!
Promising thread ngl
Except the execution is being treated differently if this is true. Nintendo screwed over N3DS owners as far as I'm concerned. Sony is looking to make the PS4K the main focus where Nintendo made the 3DS the main focus even after the N3DS came out.
Again that's if this rumor is true.
Zombie James
Banned
Why would people buy a new machine if it ran games exactly like the old machine?
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
The higher spec version will be better, of course. But standard PS4 games aren't gonna get any worse. Most of the development effort will go into the version most people are gonna play. That's how multiplatform stuff has always worked. PS4K is just a new platform, in a sense.
BronsonLee
Member
I'm about 50/50 on whether it's an April Fools' gag btw
Hopefully these early-mid generation upgrades are only happening because of 4K and will not be the norm.
But personally I don't mind buying a new PlayStation every 3-4 years, but every year like an iPhone would be horrible. Also considering I always have two consoles for my "main" console (Living Room & Bedroom), this could get rough.
I basically quit PC gaming because I was sick of being OCD about the upgrades.
But personally I don't mind buying a new PlayStation every 3-4 years, but every year like an iPhone would be horrible. Also considering I always have two consoles for my "main" console (Living Room & Bedroom), this could get rough.
I basically quit PC gaming because I was sick of being OCD about the upgrades.
geordiemp
Member
Why, An improvement like this is only possible because 14 nm process is coming out and gives advantages to 28 nm. So its a worthwhile upgrade.
Maybe Ps5 will be HBM with memory onboard the chip will be the next big step..... But there might not be an upgrade after that for 10 years....!
Maybe 14 nm is a low as it goes ?
It all depends on the technology and if its worth it, 3 years, 10 years...who knows.
Personally, when games hit 1080p60 with confidence, there is not much need for anything more other than VR.
Maybe it is because of 4 K Tv's but lets face it, there was not much you can do with a Ps4 without the 14 nm new process for the APU. I doubt we will get major performance changing tech every 3 years.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
If this is true, it's definitely not good news for those sticking with an original PS4 like me.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
It's not bad at all but the psychology of people wanting to be pissed will be the real scary situation.
I dont think its a big deal at all and makes sense to keep your system in check with the increase in pc players and upgrades. People will have had 3 or 4 years of play time on a ps4 before they need this and they are pissed about that. Ok, if you just bought one this year I can get it but these are game consoles man... price increase is no where near homes/cars. It isn't that big of a deal especially consideration inflation which gamers never do.
FrozenCell
Member
yeh, should drop dat bluray player... or at least offer a SKU without it
spons
Member
It still is.
Man. This doesn't sound very incremental to me. Feel a bit backstabbed if I'm honest, but I guess we'll need to get used to this concept in video games as well. They will need to offer some sort of subsidized pricing in the future IMO..
There were only a handful of games made available for those systems and the cost of entry was much, much lower to start. It sounds like they're going all in on the 4K model with "significant" improvements to some games just at the launch, let alone down the line. Not that apt of a comparison.
There were only a handful of games made available for those systems and the cost of entry was much, much lower to start. It sounds like they're going all in on the 4K model with "significant" improvements to some games just at the launch, let alone down the line. Not that apt of a comparison.
Daffy Duck
Member
Yeah I think this is a big fuck up, like MS XB1 E3 reveal fuck up levels.
Wrong.
Your standard PS4 is the same power as it ever was.
The games that can run on the more powerful one will have to be reduced in comparison]
It's all relative. It's like, say you own a Ford Fiesta. If I bought a Ferrari, I could still drive it at 70mph like your Fiesta, or I could drive it at 140mph. Your Fiesta is the still the same speed as it always was, it just looks slower by comparison.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm ready for it. Will sell current PS4 for around $200 to a friend probably.
I hope I'll be able to use the P.T. download trick to get it to a new machine, if I can't just swap HDD though.
I hope I'll be able to use the P.T. download trick to get it to a new machine, if I can't just swap HDD though.
Don't know what everyone is moaning about. The quote below:
"these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance"
To me means that the old PS4 will play games with equal performance to how they are now, e.g. 1080p 30fps, which obviously would be a downgrade from the games that take advantage of the PS4k. E.g. 1080p 60fps or 4K 30fps (Hint, it has a better GPU and CPU).
Honestly re read it and think it through properly.
Edit: Perfect anology a few posts up:
"these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance"
To me means that the old PS4 will play games with equal performance to how they are now, e.g. 1080p 30fps, which obviously would be a downgrade from the games that take advantage of the PS4k. E.g. 1080p 60fps or 4K 30fps (Hint, it has a better GPU and CPU).
Honestly re read it and think it through properly.
Edit: Perfect anology a few posts up:
DarkLordMalik
Member
Honestly speaking, my experience has been pretty good regarding the 30 fps games aside from a select few (JC 3). I expect dynamic res + sub-30 fps for the games that will likely target PS4K.