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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
- Thread starter OsirisBlack
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If PS4K releases Q1 17, normal PS4 should be around 50mil sold. Are you of the opinion that PS4 sales will halt, and PS4K will sell enough units over the next couple years to make the current 50mil PS4s obscure?
Just to follow up on this... looking at the code, these functions aren't implemented on every platform. In public code to date, on Mac and Windows, but not iOS/Android as far as I can tell. And they seem to be precisely the kind of functions you'd use to determine codepath switches depending on GPU/CPU type at runtime...
But maybe still a coincidence
Like so? https://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=198970824#post198970824
ISee
Member
Why not? Because you'll be able to play inferior versions of you favourite games on the PS4?
But that isn't an inherit problem with the paradigm, that's a poor implementation.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
I said lead development platform. Not completely ignoring one.
EGOMON
Member
Another thing people here don't understand is that knowing there is a better version of a game on PS4 makes you feel inferior it's that inner feeling that's tell you what if I had the better version how much my experience would improve? This whole thing already making me uncomfortable about my base PS4... ugh
That's already happening with multiplatform games on PC.
Because the power differential won't be close to the difference between PS2 and PS3, and between PS3 and PS4.
Because the power differential won't be close to the difference between PS2 and PS3, and between PS3 and PS4.
omnislayer
Member
We don't have much a of a problem playing inferior versions of PC games currently.
MakeMeFeelAlive
Member
So when will we find out whether this is an April fool's joke?
FiveMinuteHero
Member
The answer is very simple. And it has been repeated over and over again. Many people choose consoles because they dont want to have to keep upgrading their hardware to play games on the maximum settings available for the platform. Now Sony are going to break this, and people are going to be annoyed.
ISee
Member
Of course, because otherwise nobody (exaggeration) would buy the obsolete PS4 this coming christmas.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
After all this fuss, it would be pretty funny if Sony just revealed a new PS4 revision with a UHD blu-ray drive and 4k media support and nothing else.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Please don't take videogames so seriously.
xaeroxcore
Banned
XD for sure i would be there!
FiveMinuteHero
Member
Yes that's what I'm hoping for. Then we can have a drink and laugh our asses off.
EGOMON
Member
It's my hobby what do you mean? Am not going to kill my self over this but I think it's only fair to express our feelings
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
It's only fair to express it if yours agrees with his/hers.
At least it seems like that in here
MilkyJoe
Member
Just the same as now then?
PS4 has some pretty nice-looking games for which PC was the lead platform, and PC is way more powerful than PS4K will be.
Well kotaku, eurogamer and even the wall street journal have reported on similar rumours for over a week now.
ISee
Member
It's a new, significantly more powerful full priced console and new games will take advantage of it. It'll also come with new features like UHD Blu Ray Support, HDMI 2.0, most probably HDR ready, 4k Netflix streaming etc. In my book it's the start of a new generation.
But you know that's one of the reasons we're getting a new and more powerful Playstation in the first place, to shorten the gap (for a while at least).
Marty Chinn
Member
It's both. In console development, you set a baseline target and then every platform falls in place around that. If developers shift from the PS4 being the baseline target now that a PS4.5K exists, then these problems start to come in to play. Which do you think is more reasonable? 100% of developers will insure that moving forward the PS4 version is optimized to the best of their ability and will be the target baseline or less than 100% of developers will do that now that there's at least one new target, and possibly three new targets if you factor in another Xbox and who knows what the NX will be. There's also the false assumption that there will only be two targets this generation let alone if generations still exist. These things can't be assumed at this point and each of those things introduces a new paradigm in how game development will pan out. I don't know why everyone supporting this is fixating on there being only two targets when two weeks ago there was no concept of such a thing and we only had one target. What assurances do we have moving forward that this is the business model?
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
I never said they wouldn't be nice looking. I did say that there will be some effect on them. Like I said in another post, NOT a doomsday scenario. Not "literally nothing" either.
EGOMON
Member
It's weird how some people quick to shutdown any discussion not agreeing with this new console upgrade model
Marty Chinn
Member
Exactly. People thinking nothing can go wrong will change with the PS4 with this new change in the business model are being a bit naive.
So because of your own personal opinion of PS4 and PS+, this somehow validates this ridiculous post especially especially when we are coming into 3 years these systems have been out? Ok.
FrozenCell
Member
nah we're the happy majority, say hell yeah!
SneakyStephan
Banned
I'll copy paste my own edit of that post:
"Sony make their money from platform holder royalty fees from the software sales on their consoles, not from selling the consoles, they seem to think having a faster iteration will reach more people but in the end it couldn't matter less to them whether you buy a ps4 or a ps4k, as long as you keep buying games so they can keep collecting royalties. If they thought people would have kept buying ps3 games and ps3s indefinitely they would never release a ps4 to begin with."
I understand malice from these companies in the name of their bottom line (online paywalls) , I understand them neglecting customers as soon as they stop being a significant source of revenue (I have a ps vita, the second it didn't succeed they abandoned it because there wasn't much money in it for them). I roll my eyes at the for the players slogan.
But neglecting a 40 million + install base , who are their main source of revenue , by releasing ps4 versions of their games as an afterthought? That would be acting against their own bottom line and I don't see why on earth they would do that.
That's why I said it would be mind boggling to me.
I mean it's possible, it would just defy all logic
No need to be pro consumer when you are #1 and "winning the gen", right?
While that may be the case - multi-hw target paradigm directly increases the cost of sw-development, by non-trivial amount. And last third of most development cycles is a race against the clock in how many corners to cut. This includes optimization targets, in a big way.Raistlin said:
Melchiah
Member
Anyone who wants to keep playing the console exclusives immediately will buy at launch. Those who are willing to wait three years will buy later. Just like before. Personally, I would have bought the PS4 at launch even if this was known back then, instead of taking a long break from gaming due to PS3 releases drying up.
Mushroom021
Member
2 ways that I hate this.
1. The lesser version could run less so where the game simply isn't as good. Ps3 ports of ps4 games are mostly garbage unless that game was considerably scaled down in advance with ps3 in mind. For example shadows of mordor. Its insane to believe devs won't want to max this thing, which in turn could strongly hurt the ps4 version- tearing, poor IQ, choppy framerate, etc.
2. Vr experiences. Graphics don't matter to a lot of people, but there's no doubt visuals play a massive role in the vr experience. If the rumors are true about for instance gtsport... Then psvr on the ps4 simply won't be able to run gtsport to a satisfactory level. The visuals will be significantly gimped.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
Ps4k that can run battlefield 5 at 1080/60 and I am there day zero. I mean I'll buy to anyways and trade in my ps4 but hopefully DICE takes advantage of the hardware.
PSX 2016 is in December. Announce it there and launch in March 2017 alongside GoW 4
Marty Chinn
Member
Man, I keep saying this, but I keep getting replies with all you do is configure some ini files and you're done. It's frustrating that people think this is trivial and practically free in terms of cost, resources and time on the developer.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
This thing hasn't even been announced yet. Jumping the gun a bit there aren't we?
Marty Chinn
Member
Honestly, everyone on both sides is jumping the gun and making a lot of assumptions from questions that we really don't have the answers to yet. The problem with this rumor is it introduces a ton of questions and uncertainty on how things are going to be moving forward.
So many jump to conclusion post.
How do you even know there won't be a trade in program?
People may be saying that, but since when has that actually been a significant reason? Seems more like revisionist history since this hasn't been a mainstream option in the past.
The reality is consoles have historically been popular mainly for:
1) Ease of use. Basically just put in / download a game and it works. Don't have to mess with the OS per se.
2) Compatibility. Games intended for the console just work.
3) Exclusives.
4) Input method. At least in the past, game pads weren't well support on PCs.
5) Couch usage. Until the above changed, most didn't like hooking up a PC to a TV since a keyboard / mouse wasn't well suited to non-desk usage.
6) Assuming the console is relatively successful, there's an assumption of compatible games for a decent lifespan.
Based on the info thus far, there's nothing that breaks the above expectations. Only now with the lens of the PS4K's existence are people revising the above to include 'maximum graphics fidelity'. I don't see how improving graphics that doesn't break any of the above is a bad thing. It's an option, and the only reason one would be upset is if they are jealous others will have better graphics than them.
TheSpecialOne
Banned
Please explain how my post is ridiculous. Apart from my opinion on the ps4 library, I don't see how anything I've said is contentious.
- The ps4 released with under powered hardware and I consider this not to be debatable. There were many forum posts complaining about it during the final specs annoucement and we've seen the result in the games. Games that struggle to hold a 30 fps frame-rate this early into the gen.
-There have been several articles of recent questioning the value of ps plus on the ps4. Microsoft's GWG has be subjectively better and they allow you to keep the games after your subscription elapses.
-If we compare Microsoft's online infrastructure and Sony's, we can see that one suffers outages with less frequency than the other. Again, one is factually better.
-If we look just at this forum alone, the issue surrounding the ps4's launch controllers are well documented. Poor battery life, Analog sticks wearing out, Triggers getting stuck and etc are some of the many issues that plagued the launch of the ds4.
Again, the only opinionated issue I put forward in my previous argument is the quality of the games. If you think that the games are excellent, that's fine but there is evidence to support other parts of my argument.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
I don't entirely disagree. If you look at the PS3, however, there is precedent for them to take their user base for granted and make terrible decisions.
Like I said in another post...the PS4 is not going to die off. It's not some doomsday scenario where we're all screwed. But, to think that there won't be any effect on PS4 games because of the PS4K is, in my opinion, incredibly naive.
Me, personally, I plan on playing my PS4 until it either A) dies or B) I can no longer get exclusives on it. I won't ever upgrade to a 4K. I won't buy a 5 because I'll wait for the 5.5, then I'll jump in again after my stock 4 is no longer useful. The only difference is that I now will buy all multi-platform games on PC and use my PS4 only for games I can't get anywhere else. I probably should have been doing that already, to be honest. I bought a little too much into the Sony ecosystem and it's time to pull back the reigns and hedge my bets more.
HeisenbergLannister
Member
Crazy that Sony had this in the works and didn't want DriveClub 4K to show the leap.
Chubzdoomer
Banned
This has Sega 32X written all over it.
I say leave these "upgrades" to PC. Really not a fan of these companies releasing slightly updated/more powerful systems. I felt the same way about the New 3DS.
I say leave these "upgrades" to PC. Really not a fan of these companies releasing slightly updated/more powerful systems. I felt the same way about the New 3DS.