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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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GillianSeed79
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Great job everyone!
In the year of our Lord 2013, you patriots of Gaf and gaming, led by famousmortimer, charged the fields of Twitter. You fought like warrior poets. You fought like consumers. And you won our freedom.
In the year of our Lord 2013, you patriots of Gaf and gaming, led by famousmortimer, charged the fields of Twitter. You fought like warrior poets. You fought like consumers. And you won our freedom.
Exactly. That's why Sony was targeted for this campaign. If one folded, the others would hopefully fall in line.
Baller. PhD
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zeopower6
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There was already a thread about it.
All they were saying apparently was that countries without a PS Store won't be able to get PS+ to access multiplayer... but most people who live in those countries just get PS+ from the US/UK/Japan/etc and may just get their online multiplayer that way.
However, we don't have 100% confirmation that it will work. We just know that all the services work when you sign up for another region's PS+ now, so the assumption is that it'll be the same for the PS4.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Oh ya they deserve credit, but when Sony was saying "we love this compassion" and Shuhei was trolling with Death Ray Manta, MS was updating the official Xbox site with all the DRM of the console. Sony listened before the pre-order wave started even if the DRM thing theoretically could have meant more money for them and MS continued for weeks with the same crap they had been spewing since the reveal. The fact that MS has now had to ditch some of the most promising features the console had, like the family sharing plan, shows they never intended to ditch the setup they had but they got shoved to the edge of the cliff and the ground started to crack underneath them.
Also the fact that only days ago MS was still continuing the spinning and arrogant statements to overnight 180 says it all. Just looking at the attitudes since the individual console reveals, it's much more apparent that Sony was putting consumers first and foremost where MS was basically saying "Don't like it? Deal with it." I agree that the pre-order thing was most likely the last straw when they saw the "best sellers" list on Amazon flooded with PS4 stuff. No matter how stubborn they were, the second money started talking, then consumers are the most important thing in the World for them. We really do owe Sony everything for really listening and making such a big deal about it at E3 and showing that consumers are everything.
Quoted for truth.
A thread has already been made.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Unbelievable. Amazing work, all! Fucking GAF..
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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The slogan for this gaming forum has never been so accurate/relevant and probably would never be this relevant again.
José Mourinho
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I didn't think hastags would change a thing. Not that I gave a damn about the DRM. But it worked.
I'm not trolling. I mean it. I hate the no-used games policies and the AAA games market (as it is now). BOTH are something that's just bound to fail. No-used policies are the first step, but hopefully the AAA market will follow.
Because you cannot create AAA multi-million dollar games that due to their high budgets NEED to play it EXTREMLY safe and thus have such a low replay value that people just don't want them to keep and rather sell them to finance the next, focus-tested, pseudo-cinematic shootbang shitfest --- AND, at the same time, expect people to NOT trade them in like there is no tomorrow.
It's a vicious circle that the big publishers tried to get out off - but they just can't - as we have seen now. People will NEVER accept NO-USED policies.
So I couldn't be happier. Soon I hope the big AAA games will fall and the variety come back!!
I get what you're saying, but GAF did get the ball rolling. It is sad that it had to snowball into a mammoth to get MS to change though. However the important thing is: they 180'd, and have begun to climb out of the massive hole they dug.
I'm not trolling. I mean it. I hate the no-used games policies and the AAA games market (as it is now). BOTH are something that's just bound to fail. No-used policies are the first step, but hopefully the AAA market will follow.
Because you cannot create AAA multi-million dollar games that due to their high budgets NEED to play it EXTREMLY save and thus have such a low replay value that people just don't want them to keep and rather sell them to finance the next, focus-tested, pseudo-cinematic shootbang shitfest --- AND, at the same time, expect people to NOT trade them in like there is no tomorrow.
It's a vicious circle that the big publishers tried to get out off - but they just can't - as we have seen now. People will NEVER accept NO-USED policies.
So I couldn't be happier. Soon I hope the big AAA games will fall and the variety come back!!
Oh. My bad man, I thought you were meta-trolling. I'm getting way too cynical.
scytherage
Member
Ok, thanks for that.
Zombie James
Banned
Consumer activism still works. Couldn't be happier for what the community's accomplished.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Great Title edit.
This whole DRM console saga with its twist and turns deserves its own movie/documentary. You literally couldn't make it up. Incredible.
The slogan for this gaming forum has never been so accurate/relevant and probably would never be this relevant again.
Amen
gundamkyoukai
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Have to say good job everyone and it feels great that everything work out for gamers .
Fenderputty
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It's pretty incredible how well this turned out. Props to everyone involved. Pretty crazy it all started here.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Of course GAF got the ball rolling, I never said they didn't. I said that MS didn't care about the negative feedback until the pre-order numbers started talking, they listen to money. Sony on the other hand instantly jumped on board and reacted at the time it mattered most while stubborn MS continued on with "Don't have online? Buy a 360" to "We ain't scared of Sony, pfftt". In the grand scheme of things, I say it's GAF >>>>>Sony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money > MS.
#salute
The slogan for this gaming forum has never been so accurate/relevant and probably would never be this relevant again.
XANDER CAGE
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This is one of the coolest days of gaming news I've ever woken up to. Pouring one out for GAF and the other people involved tonight.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
No company would confirm future policys
They will probably still stay waaaay clear
but have to have disclaimer
Stealth_Cobra
Member
It's a great victory for us gamers. That said, make no mistake, they are backing up because of the low preorders, bad press and perhaps because they realised their so called family plan would actually make devs lose more money than used games ever will. They are not backing up because they care about us, just because they want our hard earned money. I'm sure they will end up lowering the price too, just so they can compete one on one with Sony.
I'm still boycotting Xbone 180, personally, as this move doesn't absolve them of anything. All the terrible PR of the last few months is still there in my mind and heart , all the condensending messenging... I just hope gamers won't forget this and won't fall directly into Microsoft's money grabbing hands. Remember who listened to you , and those that changed just for money reasons.
I'm still boycotting Xbone 180, personally, as this move doesn't absolve them of anything. All the terrible PR of the last few months is still there in my mind and heart , all the condensending messenging... I just hope gamers won't forget this and won't fall directly into Microsoft's money grabbing hands. Remember who listened to you , and those that changed just for money reasons.
Nobody can ever give any assurance that their company's policies won't ever change in the future. I can't guarantee that Microsoft won't include live hand grenades in their Xbox One S models, or that PS4 won't ever have a bundle with a free puppy.
The important thing is that they changed their policies now because they finally realized that what they were doing was a terrible business move.
This is incredible. I feel bad now for not having a proper Twitter account and being out these last days (job trip) so I could have contributed more to this cause. Still: holy freaking shit everyone, you guys are freaking amazing. This IS a turning point in consumer rights, and who knows if this could ever apply to politics. History in the making.
VibratingDonkey
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I want to hug all of you entitled farts in the wind who should shut up.
I agree with that. Sony were already leaning towards no and the movement solidified it; MS wouldn't listen until the preorders and near universal backlash gave them cold feet. Hopefully this will be a lesson to all companies in the game industry.
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