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[winjer]

Read the patent carefully i.e. it's just the ray intersection unit like AMD's RDNA 2 presentation. LOL

So what?
It doesn't change the fact that AMD is doing ray testing in the Texture Units, for RNDA 2 and 3.
Here is their patent for RT using the TMUs.

TEXTURE PROCESSOR BASED RAY TRACING ACCELERATION METHOD AND SYSTEM

Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.

www.freepatentsonline.com

 

[rnlval]

So what?
It doesn't change the fact that AMD is doing ray testing in the Texture Units, for RNDA 2 and 3.
Here is their patent for RT using the TMUs.

TEXTURE PROCESSOR BASED RAY TRACING ACCELERATION METHOD AND SYSTEM

Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.

www.freepatentsonline.com

The same for PS5.

 

[winjer]

The same for PS5.

Yes, they all have Ray Accelerators done in the TMUs.
The question is what is going to happen with the PS5 Pro. If it will use the RT system of RNDA3, or if it will use some features from RDNA4 and have dedicated units for RT.

 

[rnlval]

1. Yes, they all have Ray Accelerators done in the TMUs.
The question is what is going to happen with the PS5 Pro. If it will use the RT system of RNDA3, or if it will use some features from RDNA4 and have dedicated units for RT.

1. Disprove this.

 

[winjer]

1. Disprove this.

Disprove what.
Those images show the Ray accelerators inside the TMUs.
Just like AMDs ISA shows it.
And the patent.

 

[TheRedRiders]

1. Disprove this.

So how do you explain this Xbox slide which clearly shows that ray and texture operations cannot be processed at the same time?

 

[twilo99]

Some leaks would be good.

Sony execs were wrong

 

[onQ123]

Nothing about any of that

Most of that was a joke but Volume Rendering in hardware would be a smart move for gameplay & visuals .

 

[Audiophile]

I firmly believe Pro is coming (in fact I sold my PS5 last year in the hopes of picking up a Pro later this year); but can you imagine us making it to November and not hearing a thing...the time just comes and goes.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I firmly believe Pro is coming (in fact I sold my PS5 last year in the hopes of picking up a Pro later this year); but can you imagine us making it to November and not hearing a thing...the time just comes and goes.

While I would say there is a nonzero chance it gets cancelled... it's not very high.

 

[Danjin44]

(in fact I sold my PS5 last year in the hopes of picking up a Pro later this year)

 

[Audiophile]

Was barely playing it anyway and was bored with the drawn out crossgen period. Made sense to take a gaming break and pick one up again later this year, -- hopefully a Pro -- when there are more exciting experiences on the horizon. Waiting til a Pro is announced just meant I'd likely get less for my base PS5.

 

[onQ123]

Not really these months will go by fast

 

[Danjin44]

Not really these months will go by fast

I mean FFVII Rebirth coming out soon, at least people should wait for official announcement before selling your console.

 

[Geruda065]

You guys need to chill with the price. They will never make expensive console again. They just ditched oled tvs for this year to go for cheaper option.

 

[welshrat]

You guys need to chill with the price. They will never make expensive console again. They just ditched oled tvs for this year to go for cheaper option.

Not sure they will be cheaper. I think the reasons for mini led are not cost.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

 

[ChiefDada]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Ovech-King]

...

 

[Kumomeme]

me who come to visit this thread once in awhile :

 

[demigod]

From https://i0.wp.com/chipsandcheese.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/rdna2.drawio-1.png?ssl=1

This is from clam chowder

Notice both clam chowder's Ampere and RDNA 2 have "TMU / RT" box.

AMD shows the Ray-Accelerator inside the TMU.

And here is AMD's patent for using RT in the Texture Units:

US20190197761A1 - Texture processor based ray tracing acceleration method and system - Google Patents

A texture processor based ray tracing accelerator method and system are described. The system includes a shader, texture processor (TP) and cache, which are interconnected. The TP includes a texture address unit (TA), a texture cache processor (TCP), a filter pipeline unit and a ray intersection...

patents.google.com

Fellas, take this to the Beyond3D forums.

When actual specs get leaked if no one else does I am making a new thread because I rarely look in here for a meaningful bump

GIVE US LEAKS NAO!!!

 

[Imtjnotu]

This thread has become dryer than camel coochie

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Gonne wait for GDC.

 

[twilo99]

This thread has become dryer than camel coochie

Are those really dry? Shit man I really never thought about it but.. it makes sense

 

[Dorfdad]

Well if Microsoft isn't releasing a Pro varient this year maybe Sony says let's pause. We already have the upper hand and consumer confidence. Why push out something we dont have to yet. Maybe they refine it a little more with another year wait and launch when the newer xbox is to release. Would be a smart move on Sony's side unless they already have mass produced units.

 

[NeonGhost]

Well if Microsoft isn't releasing a Pro varient this year maybe Sony says let's pause. We already have the upper hand and consumer confidence. Why push out something we dont have to yet. Maybe they refine it a little more with another year wait and launch when the newer xbox is to release. Would be a smart move on Sony's side unless they already have mass produced units.

Contracts and purchase of materials would have already have happen

 

[jzosa]

Is the pro really coming? I am holding off on buying a second PS5 to see if this is really arriving later this year. Need those leaks!!!

 

[onQ123]

This thread has become dryer than camel coochie

Would you like to explain how you obtained this information sir?

 

[Jesb]

Is the pro really coming? I am holding off on buying a second PS5 to see if this is really arriving later this year. Need those leaks!!!

I’m debating on if I should hold off on buying my first PS5 or wait on this thing. But I kind of would like something now since I just got a new tv.

 

[PeteBull]

Well if Microsoft isn't releasing a Pro varient this year maybe Sony says let's pause. We already have the upper hand and consumer confidence. Why push out something we dont have to yet. Maybe they refine it a little more with another year wait and launch when the newer xbox is to release. Would be a smart move on Sony's side unless they already have mass produced units.

Sony competes vs pc market too, especially in europe that is sony stronghold, they want to give their consumer base a highend option, by holiday 2024 base ps5 is at best midrange pc equivalent in terms of cpu/gpu, and remember 4 more years left till ps6, in 2025 base ps5 will be only low end pc equivalent, performance wise.

So imagine perfectly plausible scenario- gamers wanna play sony exclusives, but in 2025 they notice how fricken weak base ps5 is, so they say- fk it, i will get into pc for 2-3x more performance(u could get 2x with 3090/3080ti already, which now is 600$ 4070super, hell 500$ 7800xt has 60-70% more performance too and better rt vs base ps5, those arent topend gpus but midrange and very affordable ones).

 

[DenchDeckard]

I imagine we wont actually get any real hard facts about specs until summer. I just hope it's a big enough jump to make me want to buy it. I like to buy the new thing.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Would you like to explain how you obtained this information sir?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

GIVE US LEAKS NAO!!!

 

[winjer]

GIVE US LEAKS NAO!!!

 

[hlm666]

Fellas, take this to the Beyond3D forums.

They can't, looks like the owner shut it down because of platform wars.

 

[welshrat]

They can't, looks like the owner shut it down because of platform wars.

Yeah, a real shame as I really enjoyed that site. Was that the real reason ?

EDIT - Yeah seems it was AMD vs NVidia nonsense. What a shame

 

[onQ123]

I've seen all I need to see here lol

 

[SolidQ]

That is hint for 8700XT (64CU) So we can see info about RDNA4 RT. Based on some info seems 2 or 4 position

 

[saintjules]

What do you guys think? Strong, job terminating NDAs or what that has kept us from hearing of anything?

 

[Audiophile]

Sony right now:

 

[Physiognomonics]

That is hint for 8700XT (64CU) So we can see info about RDNA4 RT. Based on some info seems 2 or 4 position

Why only the 4070 is on the right?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Sony right now:

Nah…

More like:

.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

What do you guys think? Strong, job terminating NDAs or what that has kept us from hearing of anything?

There might not be much to leak. The only thing might be the GPU clock speed, and since it's variable that doesn't tell you much. The other thing would be the price and developers aren't going to know that.

 

[playsaves3]

Contracts and purchase of materials would have already have happen

I mean if the year difference guarantees a cpu upgrade and full rdna 4 I think they should do it

 

[playsaves3]

Who's fact? Clam Chowder?

Using RT cores in Blender 3D is an extreme RT use case example and it doesn't budget for real-time RT considerations.

I actually just started learning blender do you know how to use/add ray tracing to your projects on it? I wanted to add rt shadows and lighting to a shadow model

 

[Silver Wattle]

I mean if the year difference guarantees a cpu upgrade and full rdna 4 I think they should do it

The problem with them making the Pro a huge upgrade is that it will lessen the jump when they release the PS6, personally I'd rather them focus on getting it out sooner with a good perf increase but not so much it makes next gen look disappointing.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

They can't, looks like the owner shut it down because of platform wars.

Huh?

 

[NeonDelta]

That is hint for 8700XT (64CU) So we can see info about RDNA4 RT. Based on some info seems 2 or 4 position

Can someone explain this

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

God I hate David Walliams. His face is just so punchable.