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PSA: Your PS4 might not be backing its saves up to the cloud
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DirtyLarry
Member
Interesting enough, I just made this thread 2 days ago about can I trust the cloud saves, and as far as a recall not a single person said they had issues.
And it did go smooth as could be for myself.
This thread is exactly why I started the thread I did, as I imagined there just had to be some stories where it did not work for people.
And it did go smooth as could be for myself.
This thread is exactly why I started the thread I did, as I imagined there just had to be some stories where it did not work for people.
PS4 cloud save needs a lot of work.
- Seemingly unreliable when it comes to auto-uploads
- Severely limited storage, and if you can only back up SOME of your games the usefulness of the feature is impacted hugely. When Minecraft comes out next month the storage limitation will be brutally exposed.
- Auto uploads and downloads only happen on your primary console. This defeats half the purpose.
This is one area where Xbox One is way ahead and I hope PS4 catches up soon.
- Seemingly unreliable when it comes to auto-uploads
- Severely limited storage, and if you can only back up SOME of your games the usefulness of the feature is impacted hugely. When Minecraft comes out next month the storage limitation will be brutally exposed.
- Auto uploads and downloads only happen on your primary console. This defeats half the purpose.
This is one area where Xbox One is way ahead and I hope PS4 catches up soon.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
i actually filled that 1GB with my PS3, you got me worried now op because yesterday it said that it couldnt upload my D3 save(it could be because i played during the psn attack and something messed up the sync )
edit: i think that i didnt care because they upped my cap to 10GB BUT i may be wrong and thinking of other stuff will check out when i get home after work
edit: i think that i didnt care because they upped my cap to 10GB BUT i may be wrong and thinking of other stuff will check out when i get home after work
Revolutionary
Member
A 900mb save file for a fucking sports game???
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Same exact thing happned to me a few weeks ago. In deleting the saves, I accidentally erased my nephews MyPlayer career... Whoops. But yea this is a he'll of a glitch.
Hawaii Jeff
Member
This happened to me too.
First it would give me an error message saying how the save file already exists. Now it just doesn't automatically upload at all.
theDeeDubs
Member
Had the same issue due to NBA2K14. The save files for it seem ridiculous.
swazzyswess
Member
I've never been able to figure out when the PS4 uploads saves. Sometimes it happens when I'm using it, sometimes when in standby, sometimes not at all. And some games are really picky. Like my TLOU SP saves upload every time without fail, but my MP save NEVER uploads. I mean never. I don't get it.
Very frustrating, especially since you could specify a time for uploads on the PS3 and it always worked.
Very frustrating, especially since you could specify a time for uploads on the PS3 and it always worked.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
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Too bad you can't see your quota like in the PS3.
Too bad you can't see your quota like in the PS3.
true. It isn't like user storage where we can store as much as we like. We can only store one save game per game. If we need more than 1GB that is either because
1 - we are buying tons of games and Sony should be more than happy to give us more space (costing them pretty much nothing)
2 - developers are using up too much space for saves (not our problem, sort your TRCs out)
Just tell us we have unlimited storage, as it is all controlled by the console anyway and would never realistically get *that* big.
also a little dumb IMO, it should upload while you are in the dashboard after quitting a game - plenty of idle time to do that. Same with trophy sync - little and often.
Not true, I have like 5-6 TLoU:R saves in the cloud.
Well, it's also supposed to do it when you turn your system off but it doesn't always want to do that. Only going into Standby will make them automatically upload for me. Even then, I don't think my Ground Zeroes saves ever went to the cloud yet automatically.
Needs to be fixed. :|
perfectsil
Member
I noticed this the other day, NBA 2k14 was taking up 720MB of my cloud save storage! it has (50?) copies of this 17MB UserData file, I don't recall getting errors that said my cloud storage was full
Bxbombers3
Banned
Xbone synchs automatically. That's why
ATXAlchemy
Member
Squirts Macintosh
Member
How do you even check your individual save files? When I go to save management it only give me the option to upload all our download all.
Afrika's save file on PS3 is like 600MB, so even on PS3 it can be quite low. And hell, Modnation Racers on the Vita can take like 200MB on it's save file.
1 gig isn't that big. Each save file is at least 11 mb, so that's only like 90 games if each one has a single save. Multiple games have a save and a profile attached to it (TLOU) which runs about 21 mb. Hell, Hohokum's save is 45 mb for a single file.
edit: Octodad is 74, yeesh
BadAss2961
Member
The NBA2K thing has been there since day one. For some reason, cloud saves for 2K14 aren't overwritten, so you have to delete old files manually.
Every time I finish playing 2K14, I upload my saves to the cloud (usually 7 files for me), then delete the old 7.
Every time I finish playing 2K14, I upload my saves to the cloud (usually 7 files for me), then delete the old 7.
xxx shiv xxx
Member
My biggest problem with psn, after having one of a ps4 and xb1 each at my house and one at my sons mothers house, is the fact that only the primary ps4 console automatically backing up cloud saves whereas the xb1 it doesn't matter and is seamless between consoles. Idk why sony can't implement that.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Hmmmm. I'll need to check mine. I'm fairly confident mine are ok though. I check every few weeks.
Hmm, I apologize for the Octodad save size. We picked that size as a reservation/maximum since the space is blocked out on creating the save. A lot of the space is currently empty, so I will look into reducing it in a future patch. It probably would not affect existing saves, though.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Strange that all the One saves I've encountered so far are less than a MB. Why are the PlayStation saves so much bigger?
Do you use compression for saves? Out of curiosity, if you know from the start there is a lot of emptiness in the file, why not zip it?
mgs2master2
Banned
mines constantly fails to update since a recent firmware update. I am no where close to filling cloud saves either. It would fail the automatic and about 80% of manual uploads. We NEED MORE STABILITY SONY.
If we compressed our files, it'd still have the space 'reserved' for how much we specified. We can't zip the entire save outside of that. I would have thought that cloud saving would compress before uploading.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
I think they'll get there. A lot of games function that way with their own cross save solution, so Sony is hopefully looking at increasing our storage space and making it a seamless sync.
I thought it was 1gb per platform?
Never trust the cloud...
pffffff hahahaahaha, always gets to me in cloud threads.
3GB limit
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/08/20/playstation-plus-on-ps4-the-revolution-continues/
"Cloud storage and discounts
I can confirm that on top of the combined 2GB cloud storage we currently provide for PS3 and PS Vita users, members with a PS4 will receive an additional 1GB of cloud storage.
PlayStation Plus is committed to attempting to secure exclusive and additional discounts on PS Store products for our members and this will continue to be the case as we move into the PS4 generation."
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/08/20/playstation-plus-on-ps4-the-revolution-continues/
"Cloud storage and discounts
I can confirm that on top of the combined 2GB cloud storage we currently provide for PS3 and PS Vita users, members with a PS4 will receive an additional 1GB of cloud storage.
PlayStation Plus is committed to attempting to secure exclusive and additional discounts on PS Store products for our members and this will continue to be the case as we move into the PS4 generation."
Andrefpvs
Member
It's 1GB for each console, not 3GB combined. Once you hit 1GB on PS, you can't upload any more PS4 saves, even if you still have space on your PS3 & PS Vita cloud storage.
Nathan_Drake
Member
Will chk. I get fails ever time I log I to my ps4. Maybe because of years worth of ps plus usage on 2 ps3s, vita, and ps4? Weren't Skyrim saves huge?
Whilst my reply was directed at those complaining about 'only 1gb isn't enough if you have more consoles' the wording on my link clearly says 'extra 1gb added to the combined 2gb for PS4 owners'.
edit - bolded my original post to make it clearer
here you go:
https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2034/~/playstation-plus-introduction
"Online Storage - Access to online Cloud game save storage (Up to 3GB)."
https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2034/~/playstation-plus-introduction
"Online Storage - Access to online Cloud game save storage (Up to 3GB)."
DarkLegion
Member
Since you're doing a PSA, I'd like to add one;
If you removed the auto renewal for PS+, then added a Credit Card and then Wallet funds (or vice-versa) check if your auto renewal came back on. Mine did and I realized 22 days into August (I only used my ps4 to play P.T.).
I called Sony support and they hinted that I'd be ignored for a refund because they will think I took advantage of PS+ since it was so late into the month.
If you removed the auto renewal for PS+, then added a Credit Card and then Wallet funds (or vice-versa) check if your auto renewal came back on. Mine did and I realized 22 days into August (I only used my ps4 to play P.T.).
I called Sony support and they hinted that I'd be ignored for a refund because they will think I took advantage of PS+ since it was so late into the month.
I think this is by design as if it did the upload whenever you turned the system off you could end up waiting ages while it uploads (even more so if you have a low upload bandwidth). Standby is the only way it will do it automatically.
Thanks for confirming that's how it works. Out of interest what is the smallest save size you can reserve?
No, as others have said its 1GB per platform (hence the upto 3GB).
That's my point, if you need more than 1GB (and the PS4 is behaving itself) then that means you have lots of games, so sony has made lots of money from you, so it can afford to give you more space.
Multiple files being uploaded is surely a mistake and that shouldn't count against your storage - another reason it shouldn't be metered
Is here a quick way to see how much space is being used - either on the PS4 or the SEN website?
Edit: totting it up I'm at about 800Mb already. Trials Fusion takes up over 100MB for a single save, octodad is 75MB(!), FIFA is 75MB. All the rest are 11-30MB (about another 30 games). Wow, goes quickly
It really isn't enough space, plus they don't give you any way to manage it - eg easily copying older ones to USB, or flagging saves as favourites and letting older ones expire to make soace for newer ones. Lots of fridge management may be needed
Edit: totting it up I'm at about 800Mb already. Trials Fusion takes up over 100MB for a single save, octodad is 75MB(!), FIFA is 75MB. All the rest are 11-30MB (about another 30 games). Wow, goes quickly
It really isn't enough space, plus they don't give you any way to manage it - eg easily copying older ones to USB, or flagging saves as favourites and letting older ones expire to make soace for newer ones. Lots of fridge management may be needed
Most game saves are 11-50mb. 1GB should be plenty and offer a ton of saves. NBA2K however is out of control with it's save file. I also noticed I did not have much auto backing up and it was because NBA2K took up almost the entire storage space. Obviously having more online storage would be nice, 1GB still should be a decent amount to save a ton of game saves over the first couple years.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Mine hasn't been failing as often, though it sometimes does fail. I hope they fix this with the big update coming up. As well as with recording video clips by the time youtube implementation comes out.