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PSVR will pass through 4K but not HDR to your 4KTV
- Thread starter Marty Chinn
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funkystudent
Member
Jeez. Sony really is half assing this 4k HDR thing.
Kind of surprising they are dropping the ball considering how tied at the hip PlayStation historically has been with pushing new TVs
Kind of surprising they are dropping the ball considering how tied at the hip PlayStation historically has been with pushing new TVs
Garrett Hawke
Member
Aren't current textures only 8 bit tho?
You are misreading. This is for when you're playing a non-VR game that supports HDR when the breakout box is connected. The HDR signal will not be transferred through the box.
To be more clear, the breakout box is supposed to be always connected, even when you're not using VR. It will pass the HDMI signal through normally when playing a non-VR game. Unfortunately, it won't pass HDR signal.
PapaEmeritus
Member
persoannly, don't care. But I will say this whole 4k HDR thing has gotten insanely confusing. At this point pretty much want to just say fuck it and wait until a tv standard is settled upon. There's just too much HDR 4k, vr shit going around now. I love this stuff and can follow for the most part, but with all the new stuff going around my head is spinning.
timmyp53
Member
I just assumed you would unplug it if you weren't going to play a vr game. What am I missing here. Is it a big deal to not having HDR passed through the VR headset?
Seems like a small inconvenience to me. Only thing I can relate it too is having to take off 3D glasses and reconfiguring tv etc. None of this tech will be seamless for awhile.
Seems like a small inconvenience to me. Only thing I can relate it too is having to take off 3D glasses and reconfiguring tv etc. None of this tech will be seamless for awhile.
Ok. To experience HDRV VR games, you'll still need a 10bit HDR enabled screen though no? As far as I know, none of the current VR screens offer that? Or do they?
Inconvenience? Definitely. Enough to have an actual outrage over? Lol fuck no.
Baroquemantic
Member
Seems like a minor inconvenience.
I believe you need to plug into the breakout box regardless if you want anything displayed on your tv or not.
This has nothing to do with the headset, and everything to do with the breakout box. The breakout box is designed to always be connected, even when not playing in VR.
Neuromancer
Member
Thats really dumb. Well, good thing I'm not getting a 4K HDR TV anytime soon.
Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2S4 HDR signal"
WTF @ that picture. I always knew PSVR involved a lot of wires, but wow that puts things in prospective.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Wow the apologists.
Damn.
Damn.
I think you're missing the concept of a splitter.
Lol, is that a legit diagram of connecting all of this stuff?Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Based_legend24
Neo Member
HDR is universally agreed that it does change the experience. Idk why people still argue that 4K doesn't change the experience.
PapaEmeritus
Member
Different things though, you can have 4K and you can have 4K HDR
Marty Chinn
Member
Ya, that's pretty accurate.
It's not even that complex.
This is highly incompetent of Sony and does show that the Pro is an after thought since their VR device wasn't even designed with it in mind at all. Who knows if a splitter will properly split hdmi 2.0a and output HDR. This problem could have easily been avoided if they had dual HDMI output on the Pro if there is some technical limitation on the breakout box that prevented them from revising it too allow HDR passthrough. Maybe Sony just doesn't give a f@@@ and didn't care about revising the breakout box lol.
I guess that puts you in camp outrage.
shanafan
Member
Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
But look at all them cables man...shit. Do I look like an electrician to you!?
FunkyDealer
Banned
Sorry, what?
Point me to the people defending Sony on this design flaw... For some this really is just a minor issue, for others a big deal.
timmyp53
Member
I meant passed through PSVR unit as a whole not the headset.
Having it plugged out when not playing in VR seems pretty reasonable and simple to me.
Not seeing the big deal. What is going to be the percentage of people who even have a PSVR , a PS4pro, a 4k tv(one that supports hdr), and the knowhow to see the benefits of having hdr passed through the vr box?
Marty Chinn
Member
It's not complex, but it's certainly a lot of wires to connect. I'm dreading hooking all that up but I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who massively did an overhaul of cable management and now have to neatly integrate all that in. It's nothing if I want to leave everything in a messy state, but no way am I going back to that.
So that's 2 HDMI slots just to use the ps4.Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Now add another one because the ps4 doesn't have a uhd player, so you need another device plugged to the TV... Nice thinking on their part.
Not to mention if you're using a Samsung TV with a separated connector box, you're gonna have quite the busy knot of cables and extra boxes under your TV.
Omnistalgic
Member
Wth Sony???! One thing after another!!! Sheesh gimme a break.
Did I do it right?
Add another to connect PC because PS4 doesn't have Windows.
That depends on what data is stored in them. Majority of what gets used by real-time renderers isn't actually dynamic-range data - we've stopped baking luminance into color-maps a long time ago. Exceptions are things like sky-boxes, where usage of HDR data is fairly common.Garrett Hawke said:
Not to my knowledge, but it's still worth noting that because of the nature of how HMD displays are viewed (occluding all external light), and adding in the lens-optics, effects of brightness changes are quite different from conventional display viewing conditions (less need to achieve the same kind of luminance levels specified by Dolby standard for instance).Kaako said:
Obviously - expanding actual color range will still matter, but my point was that for most VR software, that'll be a simple patch away also.
Pro isn't even needed, since all PS4s support HDR for games now.
And no, I disagree. Leaving it plugged in to easily switch between VR and traditional gaming was exactly most would have done.
Now I have to switch this cable and breakout box out each time? Ugh.
It's definitely an annoyance and you would think they would have thought about this beforehand and just have it pass through all information.
It's not merely the fact that VR breakout box has to be unplugged, but also that the PS4 (not necisarilly Pro) has to be reconnected to the TV/Receiver. Peoples setup vary wildly, and for some that might be an issue. Getting a splitter (we don't know if that will work correctly) or a HDMI extension cable, might diminish these issues, but nonetheless it's still an annoyance, not matter how small.
Yeah because that's the same thing.
Ps4p could've easily had an uhd player (infact, it was basically expected by a lot of people), asking for it to have windows isn't remotely comparable.
But as someone who connects his PC to the TV, yeah, having to waste HDMI ports for this bullshit is annoying.
So whose on Amazon looking at splitters?
This seems to be the cheapest one with out shitty reviews. HDMI standards up to spec I believe. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016O5NMMC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Correct me if I'm wrong.
This seems to be the cheapest one with out shitty reviews. HDMI standards up to spec I believe. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016O5NMMC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Bitch Pudding
Member
Nope, you forgot "pre-order cancelled".
I think it's a design flaw, not a big deal of course, but still a stupid one. Even if there is a workaround using a $20 HDMI switch, we still have to spend that $20 now because Sony wanted to save a couple of cents per unit.
So basically the box doesn't conform to hdmi 2.0a spec. Really stupid decision by Sony, I am still running 1080p right now, but will probably move to 4k eventually. This and the no uhd player are stupid decisions. And I have both on pre order so I guess I am an asshole contributing to the problem lol.
Except you won't need a PS4 Pro to have HDR as any PS4 should work (via firmware).
Sure, the number of people with a new TV capable of utilizing HDR isn't huge (yet), but it still seems strange that the box won't pass through the signal if it is capable of 4K.
Seems like this one doesn't support 10-bit (and thus, HDR).
It doesn't mention HDR support, or at least doesn't say on there that it supports any of the HDR formats.
So the PSVR processor unit is basically used for 3D audio and putting the image on TV correct?
Would it be possible to just hook up the USB for the 3D audio and not worry about the external display, thus avoiding splitters or plugging and unplugging cables or is the HDMI to the PU required either way?
Hmm yeah, I guess I was looking at the Q/A section and got the first response mixed up with actual info.
Would it be possible to just hook up the USB for the 3D audio and not worry about the external display, thus avoiding splitters or plugging and unplugging cables or is the HDMI to the PU required either way?
Hmm yeah, I guess I was looking at the Q/A section and got the first response mixed up with actual info.