jadedm17
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These are some strange and ridiculous decisions.
It's feeling like Xbox Ones reveal all over : Hubris of being on top.
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PSVR will pass through 4K but not HDR to your 4KTV
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These are some strange and ridiculous decisions.
Neither did the PS4, but now allows HDR playback. I can't imagine the breakoutbox to be designed to be the absolute minimal tech required, so they probably have some wiggle room to perhaps release an FW update. Until then, it flawed
How would you get sound to the breakoutbox without HDMI cable?
fastest finger
Member
I really don't think the whole splitter solution is going to work.
Even recent HDMI Matrices (dedicated multi input/output HDMI switchgear) have issues with HDR throughput.
In light of that, Sony's little box of tricks never stood a chance.
So while the whole switching cables thing is indeed a pain in the ass, the issue here seems to be that HDR specs are in flux and and compliance with hardware is difficult to nail down. Nothing Sony can do about that right now.
I think people are right to be pissed off, but I don't think it's avoidable at this time.
Even recent HDMI Matrices (dedicated multi input/output HDMI switchgear) have issues with HDR throughput.
In light of that, Sony's little box of tricks never stood a chance.
So while the whole switching cables thing is indeed a pain in the ass, the issue here seems to be that HDR specs are in flux and and compliance with hardware is difficult to nail down. Nothing Sony can do about that right now.
I think people are right to be pissed off, but I don't think it's avoidable at this time.
Yeah I guess my point is, why isn't a product that is coming out at the end of 2016 using the hdmi spec that is over 2 yrs old, just really shitty decision making.
Sony and VR is taking us back to the stone age of wires everywhere gaming.Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2S4 HDR signal"
Wires everywhere and low resolution screens for high premiums.
Rain City Gamer
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While I can see this as an inconvenience to some I will never understand the negative outrage. People are actually cancelling preorders over this? I mean really?
I also love how when PS4 Pro was announced everyone was like "I don't care, I don't have a 4k TV anyways." now everyone is like "What do you mean I have to switch the HDMI cable on my 4k TV when I switch between PSVR and PS4/Pro?!"
It feels like people are bitching just to bitch at his point.
I also love how when PS4 Pro was announced everyone was like "I don't care, I don't have a 4k TV anyways." now everyone is like "What do you mean I have to switch the HDMI cable on my 4k TV when I switch between PSVR and PS4/Pro?!"
It feels like people are bitching just to bitch at his point.
Folks thinking about splitters/switches, I don't think that's a viable solution at this point, it's going to add lag (regardless of how good it is), which is crucial for the PSVR. PSVR as it is, is currently standing at just under 18ms of input lag. Adding a splitter to the equation before the signal reaches the Processing unit, is going to increase that to above acceptable levels for VR.
Edit: Nvm, my perception seems to be based off receivers, and I just assumed that my active switch (that I use in my room) was also probably causing a slight lag that I just didn't notice for regular gaming.
Edit: Nvm, my perception seems to be based off receivers, and I just assumed that my active switch (that I use in my room) was also probably causing a slight lag that I just didn't notice for regular gaming.
TGO
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This explains why PS4Pro has an additional USB on the back.Basically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Oh, I agree. Though I don't know why Sony went this route. It either has to be a technical/security issue with the HDMI spec, or a design oversight. I can't believe Sony would have gone for cheaper components (if that is the issue) if they knew this would be the outcome.
I don't think HDMI Switches add much lag, if any at all. There is no processing going on at the switch level, its sending the signal directly.
Edit: I should say if you use a simple switch. If you're using something that will improve the image quality (scaling), like what a lot of receivers do, then you might run into some lag.
family_guy
Member
Passing through the PU and then passing through the AVR isn't what I would want to do anyway. I would just swap cables.
To be fair, all that does is move the wire in the diagram from the front of the PS4 to the back (of the PS4 Pro). It won't reduce the number of connections required.
Are you suggesting to swap cables when using the PSVR so that it isn't routed through your AVR, and then swapping back to use the AVR when not using VR? I guess that would work.
Portugeezer
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PS4 Not-so-Pro
Glad to read this and can see how the work on your end would be a somewhat straight forward patch software wise. Here's hoping for 2nd generation HMDs figuring out the proper solution hardware wise for that true 10bit HDR 'feel' in VR. It will be quite incredible will it not? Viewing that HDR enabled software that much more closer to your eyes has to be pretty striking if done properly.
I think he/she is saying that you don't need to output the video from the breakout box to the TV, so therefore you don't need use that HDMI cable. Split the HDMI cable from the PS4, one goes to the breakout box and ends, the other goes to the TV for HDR.
You would lose the social screen though.
ha ha ha you so clever
family_guy
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Has nothing to do with the PS4 at all. It's the VR processing unit.
The real problem might be that the splitter won't carry the HDR signal properly. In which case, you'll be forced to always manually switch cables when using a 4k hdr tv.
HitCtrlAltDel
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However, it makes clear why the breakout box should have been incorporated into the pro. It would have eliminated so many cables...
Imagine your current setup with PS4 where all you do is plug in the headset; because that is how simple it would have been if they incorporated the breakout box. No extra USB, no extra power cable, and no HDMI pass though (just 2 HDMI ports on the pro).
BTW, people saying it passes through 4K are wrong. It's 4K 4:2:0, meaning there is heavy color compression. That's not real 4K in my eyes at least and is unacceptable. What this means is the breakout box is only able to handle HDMI 1.4 signals, not the HDMI 2.0 that PS4 Pro can output. People using PSVR on a 4K screen with a Pro should not run their 4K outputs through the VR breakout box unless they really don't care about the downgrade quality. I really hope someone finds a good HDMI switcher to solve this issue. Not sure what is out there that isn't too expensive.
This has nothing to do with the Pro... ?_?
family_guy
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Yep. I would just connect the PU directly to the TV and leave the AVR input alone.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Speaking about perspectives, this is the same pic (incl. the HDMI switch), but without the power supply cables.
EDIT, plugged into a PS4 Pro
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PS4 output 1080p+HDR, HDMI 1.4 is more than enough bandwidth to cover that. 4K + HDR require HDMI 2.0a.
http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/ said:
I don't believe there are any (console)games (so far) that use 4:4:4 but I might be wrong on that actually makes sense.
N30RYU
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yeah but is needed to notice that the PSVR PU needs a power supply and not much ppl is aware of that.Speaking about perspectives, this is the same pic (incl. the HDMI switch), but without the power supply cables.
EDIT, plugged into a PS4 Pro
Snarfington
Member
Uh, wow. What an oversight. That's such a ridiculously dumb thing to overlook that I'm almost hesitant to buy a VR and a Pro. Guess they're competing products more than we thought. Not complementary at all.
LukasTaves
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Ugh, so many design flaws XDBasically you do this and solved... and you need to change from "HDMi 1:VR social screen signal" to "HDMi 2
Needing the front usb port.
That splitter thing that either you change the cables every time or have to deal with a splitter with also has its own share of annoyances.
Separated cables for the headset and the head phone, why? Don't tell me the psvr doesn't come with a headset and you have to use one yourself? Can this at least be wireless?
What would the pro improve on that scenario? Or that's already the pro?
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Why don't we all take a ride down to camp grow up?
PS4 Pro has a USB in back, so no front connection required.
This really smacks of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing... hopefully they can remedy this via a firmware update but with the recent push of HDR to all PS4s and it being a key highlight of the PS4 Pro reveal, I can't imagine Sony will just leave it this way... going "all in" should get you premiums, not trade-offs.
It does come with a headset, or you can use your own. Can not be wireless.
Not everyone has a Pro though.
DangerMouse
Member
Yup. I'm going to have a second HDMI sitting right next to my PS4 that I can easily swap back and forth with the one going to the breakout box, which I was going to have to do anyway since my receiver does not support 4K nor HDR so I need one going straight to the TV anyway.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
People like convenience. This is pretty silly. No one should buy gen 1 vr anyway.
The post I quoted specifically asked if the Pro fixed any of the issues he listed, including using the front USB port.
LukasTaves
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Welp, missed that. Sorry, I'm in the I-want-to-contribute-and-always-want-to-be-right-mode right now.
The Jackdog
Member
What kind of connections does the PSMove have?
Im just wondering cause it sounds like one console is going to basically destroy my nice neat cable management
Im just wondering cause it sounds like one console is going to basically destroy my nice neat cable management
Judging by the setting, none. There is only "auto" and "off".
ss_lemonade
Member
Isn't the breakout box supposed to be one of those things you setup once and not have to worry about again later? If you don't use VR, to me it looks like things should still work as if you had your ps4 connected directly to your TV. So what exactly is wrong with what farisr said?
Dee Dah Dave
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Wow, now that's a schoolboy error from Sony. Very surprising for a company which 'specialises' in AV equipment.
You have to get this simple stuff right, the general market doesn't spend their time on the internet finding out all the titbits like this. They just expect things to work, and this should have.
Maybe they can firmware update it or something?
You have to get this simple stuff right, the general market doesn't spend their time on the internet finding out all the titbits like this. They just expect things to work, and this should have.
Maybe they can firmware update it or something?
DangerMouse
Member
Bluetooth wireless for use, mini-USB port to charge or you can use one of the many charging stations including some of the new ones coming.