Young Magus
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Ragnarok Odyssey |OT| Hunt Monsters, Pop Porings
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Glad to see that I'm not the only one with this train of thought
The Grim Heaper
Member
oh yeah forgot my ID and stuff
PSN is TheGrimHeaper. Feel free to add me, but I dunno when I'll be getting it with the hurricane around and I need to clear up some space. I might go Assassin like the demo, but Mage and Hunter could be fun, too.
PSN is TheGrimHeaper. Feel free to add me, but I dunno when I'll be getting it with the hurricane around and I need to clear up some space. I might go Assassin like the demo, but Mage and Hunter could be fun, too.
Unboxing vid proves this isn't a dinky artbook, though!
Looks to be a good amount of quality to what they're offering. Cool that the cards also have game-relevant stats on them too. The game does seem digital friendly, too (I think the download is suppose to be around 1.1 gigs), and it is the kinda game you wanna have accessable whenever someone ask to play.
But ever since the days of PSO, having such games on disk feels pretty appropriate. Hope the box comes with a color manual, like the asian version did (Wow, Vita games with items in their boxes!), wouldn't mind a reversible cover either... Will be ok if it's "just" the merch's guide though, as that looks more along the lines of something of an old Working Design's release booklet, just minus the Hard Cover.
storafötter
Member
I look forward to reading impressions in this thread before getting this game. Great OT
GundamBanshee
Member
Those screenshots look delicious. Still deciding which class I'm going to roll, maybe a hunter. PSN ID is GundamBanshee if anyone would like to add me!
The Grim Heaper
Member
Probably can't pick this up on Tuesday, so hopefully Gamestop doesn't do anything to my Mercs edition. Damn you, Sandy!
darkjedi187
Member
Most likely get this on Thursday from Newegg. Feel free to add me darkjedi187
xKilltheMx
Member
same here my FL is full but my PSN is Killthem16
Schobeleth
Member
Alright, added everyone to a list of hunters into the OT. I also added something silly, hidden somewhere in the OT I want to find some official gameplay somewhere but I can't find any.. I've added a couple interviews too. I'm going to work on the FAQ next, compiling a list of stuff now.. although information seems scarce, outside of fellow gaffers who imported it. Also, if you guys haven't already, you HAVE to check out the soundtrack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJGd4qTeSNg
Simply brilliant! So excited for the game
I want to find some official gameplay somewhere but I can't find any.. I've added a couple interviews too. I'm going to work on the FAQ next, compiling a list of stuff now.. although information seems scarce, outside of fellow gaffers who imported it. Also, if you guys haven't already, you HAVE to check out the soundtrack:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJGd4qTeSNg
Simply brilliant! So excited for the game
chickdigger802
Banned
need videos of other classes at high level please D:
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xKilltheMx
Member
Not really. And by not really I mean not at all.
Oh snap, you used to play PSO didn't you?
This game looks awesome. Didn't check out the hats but Evil/Angel wing are mandatory, I love that it takes concepts from RO like cards and uses them in a different genre (action RPG vs MMO).
JStein0222
Member
I have $40 in my PSN wallet to spend and fulfill the "spend 100 get 20" thing. Debating between this, Twisted Metal, and basically everything else
Sweeeeet. I wonder how many PSO veterans will be playing this hahah.
Sure did. I started playing on PSO Ver.1 and ended on Blue Burst. I am also currently playing PSO2.
Advance Stuff, something they don't tell you in the game. Mostly came from JP Wiki.
While I'm playing Chinese version, so English name may be wrong.
1. Near Card
- You can only got 5 near card max.
- Silver or Gold card can not be neared.
- Neared card can not be neared again.
2. Solo mission between story hub & bar(harder) has difference in difficulty.
3. Monster / Boss card
- 4 / 7 / 10 stars cards are unique and very vague in description.
- Ice Giant 7 star is very good for low level +90 Attack, but with one major deficit, it hit 1 dmg when monster is down. With 70% monster down time in high level special play.....
- Loki 10 star is good for DS build, It prevent HP consumption but SP gain minus 10.
- Blue Mage (Extra Mission 7 & 12) cards are good
- 1 star, team attack enhancement and attack +10% (Mighty Aura)
- 2 star, team defense enhancement and defense +100% (Mighty Body)
- 4 star, Get more HP during DS
- 7 Star, ODS = 2 x SP Maximize
- 10 Star, = 2 x DS high risk without risk
4. Stats has caps, You can only add combination of
- +150 attack & defense points max
- Training +30% attacks max, but calculate separately for Normal, Ground & Air (Max 3 cards each.) actually more complicated than these.
- Combo finish enhancement +20% attack (1 card per different combo)
- Tension +20% attack when max, conflict with DS mode (2x Lv5 card = 100%)
- Critical Chance +80% max, as you originally own 20% chance (4x Lv5 card)
- Critical Hit +60% max (2x Lv5 Card)
- and others...
5. Common Job Builds
Swordsman : DS build + Edge wave (not Sonic Wave) or Splash wave if you can get one.
Assasin : Critcal build + Dual Wield or you got hold on to Sun Sword
Hunter : Attack build, Freeze build or Paralysis build
Hammer : Very specialize on specific Boss (I used it for Loki & Surt)
Others : not played
6. Weapon Card
The most confusing and time consuming part of all things
After you upgrade the weapon to lv10, you can have option to extract the skill attached to weapon into a card.
Many skill combination can only be got by this way, common one includes
- SP Maximize + SP Recycle (Cost 5)
- 2x Lv5 Critical Hit (Cost 15)
- 2x Lv5 Critical Chance (Cost 20)
Minimum card cost is 5, and weapons come with 3 grading (Bronze, Silver & Gold), which affects the card cost only, Bronze -5 Silver -10 & Gold -15 (really depends which Wiki you are referring to, but I preferred Bronze -5 instead of zero).
SP Maximize(5) + SP Recycle(5) - 5 = cost 5.
But single Lv5 Critical Hit cost 15, 2x should be cost 30, and here comes the EP weapons. In JP way, there are 3 major updates as EP1,2&3, basic weapon deduction cost are varied between updates, EP1 covers all weapons in initial launch, EP2 weapon skill deduction cost varies with different prefix of same weapon, from -5 to -20. EP3 is simpler for unique weapons, either (-5,-10,-15), (-10,-15,-20) or (-10,-15,-25) for differnt group of weapons.
So EP2 weapon (LegBite) without prefix deduction skill cost is (-15,-20,-25), so 2x Lv5 Critical Hit (30) - 15 = cost 15 (Bronze)
PS. Critical Hit skill cost varies with level (5,10,15,15,15)
But................... 2x Lv5 Critical Hit (LegBite) actually not exist.
So here come to weapon upgrade skill change, all weapons has a chance of skill change when upgrading from lv7->8, lv8->9 & lv9-10 (excluding mysterious & destiny prefix weapon) with 2%, 3% & 5% chance respectively.
Bronze LegBite with Lv4 Critical Hit + Lv3 Critical Hit can be bought from shop. So you know what to do... Save & Reload.
For Mysterious prefix, skill change occured at lv3-4, lv6-7 & lv9-10 with 3%, 6% & 9% chance respectively. (Some says upgrade from lv9-10 change chance is lower instead). For Destiny prefix (EP3 weapon) have very high chance on lv9-10. While these two weapon types also have chance of skill downgrade.
And................... double skill up is also possible on upper & lower skill at the same time, please don't tried it on lv7-8, JP analysis on 1000 times (10x lv7 weapon), single upgrade occured 18 times & no double up case found. while I'm not sure EP3 weapon has any difference, but my Polearm (Berserk lv3 + Berserk lv3) upgrade to both lv5 in 3~4 hours (2 single skill up & 1 double skills up). Also Mysterious weapon has higher chance of doubling up.
Finally skill attached to weapon is not pure random. All non-unique weapon with different prefix have a pool of upper 8 skills + lower 8 skills, total 64 combinations, so don't chase for imaginative weapon.
For unique weapon (EP3), there are 2 types, total 3 for each job. Extra Mission 15-26, each have very rare drop of different unique weapon (my experience, 5 drops in 80 tries), and have a pool of upper 5 skills + lower 5 skills, and a very powerful skill can be found on both upper & lower skill, so you got 1/25 chance after rare weapon did drop, and I didn't even mention Gold version, while for gold version, unique kill cost 25, got both = cost 50, Gold deduct 20(25), total cost 30(25). If only you can found one.
The remaining rare unique ones can be found on extra mission 27~29 (100 Giants), rare drops from giant killed, normally 1 to 5 per run with pool of 8x5 skill set with some other unique skills.... also destiny prefix weapon may be rewarded as mission reward.
7. Resource Gathering
Just in case you found upper text not time consuming enough, all weapon upgrades, new armor look, armor upgrade, head decoration, and even potions sold on shops requires resource gathering plus money. And some are very rare drop like 12 out of 80 successful quest runs during unique weapon farming, and some weapon upgrade requires 11 of these for a single level upgrade
Note: On the unique weapon farming, there's one can be specifically soloed by Hammer, its tooks me 5 mins per try..... others mostly 10-20 mins or not able to farm sololy.
So to be warned, this game is a time pit and hard (Extra Mission).
While I'm playing Chinese version, so English name may be wrong.
1. Near Card
- You can only got 5 near card max.
- Silver or Gold card can not be neared.
- Neared card can not be neared again.
2. Solo mission between story hub & bar(harder) has difference in difficulty.
3. Monster / Boss card
- 4 / 7 / 10 stars cards are unique and very vague in description.
- Ice Giant 7 star is very good for low level +90 Attack, but with one major deficit, it hit 1 dmg when monster is down. With 70% monster down time in high level special play.....
- Loki 10 star is good for DS build, It prevent HP consumption but SP gain minus 10.
- Blue Mage (Extra Mission 7 & 12) cards are good
- 1 star, team attack enhancement and attack +10% (Mighty Aura)
- 2 star, team defense enhancement and defense +100% (Mighty Body)
- 4 star, Get more HP during DS
- 7 Star, ODS = 2 x SP Maximize
- 10 Star, = 2 x DS high risk without risk
4. Stats has caps, You can only add combination of
- +150 attack & defense points max
- Training +30% attacks max, but calculate separately for Normal, Ground & Air (Max 3 cards each.) actually more complicated than these.
- Combo finish enhancement +20% attack (1 card per different combo)
- Tension +20% attack when max, conflict with DS mode (2x Lv5 card = 100%)
- Critical Chance +80% max, as you originally own 20% chance (4x Lv5 card)
- Critical Hit +60% max (2x Lv5 Card)
- and others...
5. Common Job Builds
Swordsman : DS build + Edge wave (not Sonic Wave) or Splash wave if you can get one.
Assasin : Critcal build + Dual Wield or you got hold on to Sun Sword
Hunter : Attack build, Freeze build or Paralysis build
Hammer : Very specialize on specific Boss (I used it for Loki & Surt)
Others : not played
6. Weapon Card
The most confusing and time consuming part of all things
After you upgrade the weapon to lv10, you can have option to extract the skill attached to weapon into a card.
Many skill combination can only be got by this way, common one includes
- SP Maximize + SP Recycle (Cost 5)
- 2x Lv5 Critical Hit (Cost 15)
- 2x Lv5 Critical Chance (Cost 20)
Minimum card cost is 5, and weapons come with 3 grading (Bronze, Silver & Gold), which affects the card cost only, Bronze -5 Silver -10 & Gold -15 (really depends which Wiki you are referring to, but I preferred Bronze -5 instead of zero).
SP Maximize(5) + SP Recycle(5) - 5 = cost 5.
But single Lv5 Critical Hit cost 15, 2x should be cost 30, and here comes the EP weapons. In JP way, there are 3 major updates as EP1,2&3, basic weapon deduction cost are varied between updates, EP1 covers all weapons in initial launch, EP2 weapon skill deduction cost varies with different prefix of same weapon, from -5 to -20. EP3 is simpler for unique weapons, either (-5,-10,-15), (-10,-15,-20) or (-10,-15,-25) for differnt group of weapons.
So EP2 weapon (LegBite) without prefix deduction skill cost is (-15,-20,-25), so 2x Lv5 Critical Hit (30) - 15 = cost 15 (Bronze)
PS. Critical Hit skill cost varies with level (5,10,15,15,15)
But................... 2x Lv5 Critical Hit (LegBite) actually not exist.
So here come to weapon upgrade skill change, all weapons has a chance of skill change when upgrading from lv7->8, lv8->9 & lv9-10 (excluding mysterious & destiny prefix weapon) with 2%, 3% & 5% chance respectively.
Bronze LegBite with Lv4 Critical Hit + Lv3 Critical Hit can be bought from shop. So you know what to do... Save & Reload.
For Mysterious prefix, skill change occured at lv3-4, lv6-7 & lv9-10 with 3%, 6% & 9% chance respectively. (Some says upgrade from lv9-10 change chance is lower instead). For Destiny prefix (EP3 weapon) have very high chance on lv9-10. While these two weapon types also have chance of skill downgrade.
And................... double skill up is also possible on upper & lower skill at the same time, please don't tried it on lv7-8, JP analysis on 1000 times (10x lv7 weapon), single upgrade occured 18 times & no double up case found. while I'm not sure EP3 weapon has any difference, but my Polearm (Berserk lv3 + Berserk lv3) upgrade to both lv5 in 3~4 hours (2 single skill up & 1 double skills up). Also Mysterious weapon has higher chance of doubling up.
Finally skill attached to weapon is not pure random. All non-unique weapon with different prefix have a pool of upper 8 skills + lower 8 skills, total 64 combinations, so don't chase for imaginative weapon.
For unique weapon (EP3), there are 2 types, total 3 for each job. Extra Mission 15-26, each have very rare drop of different unique weapon (my experience, 5 drops in 80 tries), and have a pool of upper 5 skills + lower 5 skills, and a very powerful skill can be found on both upper & lower skill, so you got 1/25 chance after rare weapon did drop, and I didn't even mention Gold version, while for gold version, unique kill cost 25, got both = cost 50, Gold deduct 20(25), total cost 30(25). If only you can found one.
The remaining rare unique ones can be found on extra mission 27~29 (100 Giants), rare drops from giant killed, normally 1 to 5 per run with pool of 8x5 skill set with some other unique skills.... also destiny prefix weapon may be rewarded as mission reward.
7. Resource Gathering
Just in case you found upper text not time consuming enough, all weapon upgrades, new armor look, armor upgrade, head decoration, and even potions sold on shops requires resource gathering plus money. And some are very rare drop like 12 out of 80 successful quest runs during unique weapon farming, and some weapon upgrade requires 11 of these for a single level upgrade
Note: On the unique weapon farming, there's one can be specifically soloed by Hammer, its tooks me 5 mins per try..... others mostly 10-20 mins or not able to farm sololy.
So to be warned, this game is a time pit and hard (Extra Mission).
Thanks for all that info, Wahz! It's a nice view into the mechanics and late game considerations. So the return of Rough Drop Chances in RO... hah, way too familiar. CritSin, Speciality build smiths, Weapons being the key to victory... Yeah, that's RO alright!
That was a lot to post, especially from a phone!
That was a lot to post, especially from a phone!
Some games disable it, but don't forget the Vita has a voice chat function in party. Maybe someone who has played it can tell us if it gets disabled?
Thinking about getting, but I'm really confused on how armor sets work. Worthplaying.com preview says this:
"Armor sets in Ragnarok Odyssey do not influence stats. Instead, each armor piece has slots for cards, which are picked up by completing quests. (You no longer need to farm them off enemies at a 0.01% drop rate.) While different armor sets initially have different numbers of slots, a Seamstress NPC in town can add slots; this leaves all of the armor functionally identical over time and allows players to customize their appearance out of an advertised 20,000+ combinations."
Is it just 1 armor set that covers the entire body (minus the hat)? Or is it multiple pieces like chest, hands, legs, feet, etc.
"Armor sets in Ragnarok Odyssey do not influence stats. Instead, each armor piece has slots for cards, which are picked up by completing quests. (You no longer need to farm them off enemies at a 0.01% drop rate.) While different armor sets initially have different numbers of slots, a Seamstress NPC in town can add slots; this leaves all of the armor functionally identical over time and allows players to customize their appearance out of an advertised 20,000+ combinations."
Is it just 1 armor set that covers the entire body (minus the hat)? Or is it multiple pieces like chest, hands, legs, feet, etc.
perfect free
Member
Just realized I never posted my PSN ID - I'm Starhowler. Probably be rolling a Cleric...
michaelius
Banned
How's the single player in RO ?
demigod
Member
Sup tek, im getting the merc edition, maybe we can [team up].
Monster Hunter, Phantasy Star Portable
Nightbreeze
Member
Pretty excited to get this game as I've seriously been craving a PSO type game to play for a long time!
PSN name is neoJABES.
PSN name is neoJABES.
Dead Prince
Banned
my Merc edition has been charged.
My regular edition was just charged as well. Excellent. If it weren't for the hurricane I'd say I was due to get this Wed.
Schobeleth
Member
So, to confirm, does that mean armor does affect your outward appearance? I've added the FAQ to the OT so I want to make it as comprehensible as possible.
AgentOtaku
Member
FUUUUCK
Too many vita titles to buy
Too many vita titles to buy
Grimpadlock
Member
I have been charged from newegg for my regular version. Now I just need to play the waiting game.
The only similarity seems to be "giants invade", which is hardly the most original concept ever and certainly wasnt "invented" by SnK
The Last Wizard
Member
So online is already in the NA release?
I'll try to get this tomorrow at target but knowing them they won't have it on release.
I'll try to get this tomorrow at target but knowing them they won't have it on release.