Charles Brandon
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Fuck this shit.
Me and Hot Rod going fishing and them jetting up to Lookout Mountain.
Talk about old, bionic77!
Fuck this shit.
Me and Hot Rod going fishing and them jetting up to Lookout Mountain.
That's a question you should ask yourself!
Film is epic and the most epic is Unicron. Everything about him is fucking awesome.
"Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost..."
Greatest moment in movie history.
This just wants me to buy the movie in one way or the other.
Old timer? That's something you will never be if you don't post in the MJ v. Prince thread!Talk about old, bionic77!
This is the one with The Touch, right? That's such a damn good song, ultimate 80's cheese.
It's a really weird thing for Optimus to say, though, in the context of the series. What makes Optimus believe that this is a suicide mission? He blows through the fodder like single-ply tissue paper, after all, and he's fought Megatron many times before.
Yes, the line was astounding to me thirty years ago and its nostalgic appeal remains a powerful force, but it's also jarring to me now.
Old timer? That's something you will never be if you don't post in the MJ v. Prince thread!
So what did you want? More of the cartoon where they just dance around, shoot at each other and retreat?I fucking hated this movie as a kid. I mean they killed off most of my favorite Transformers in the first 30 mins or so! I can appreciate it more now but man back then I was not a fan.
So what did you want? More of the cartoon where they just dance around, shoot at each other and retreat?
There's only so many permutations of evil plan foiled
It's a really weird thing for Optimus to say, though, in the context of the series. What makes Optimus believe that this is a suicide mission? He blows through the fodder like single-ply tissue paper, after all, and he's fought Megatron many times before.
Yes, the line was astounding to me thirty years ago and its nostalgic appeal remains a powerful force, but it's also jarring to me now.
It always bothered me that his horse would go from being ridden to walking on 2 legs. Its just not natural!
I was 8 or 9 when it came out and they really set it up perfectly for kids to latch onto the new characters.At 6-7 years old, uh yeah? I wasn't expecting to see my heroes being gunned down lol
At 6-7 years old, uh yeah? I wasn't expecting to see my heroes being gunned down lol
Until the idiot Hot Rod provided some well-meaning but ultimately unsuccessful interference (he foiled Megatron's plan, but opened the door to a sudden hostage situation).
Hot Rod brought the right things to the table. He was a youthful fuckup, but he had heart and creativity and courage and inventiveness.
Optimus Prime was the greatest Autobot warrior, whose greatest strength was not even in his own combat ability, but in his ability to lead lesser Autobots and bring out the best in them. But by the end of his story, he had reached his limit and (after Megatron fucked up Autobot City and killed all those Autobots) he couldn't tolerate even one more costly back-and-forth sparring with Megatron, so he bet everything he had on one last all-or-nothing battle (one shall stand, one shall fall), which risked the future of everyone who still depended on him for leadership.
Ultra Magnus was the second best Autobot warrior. A pale imitation of Optimus, with the heart and mind of a soldier, and very little true leadership ability.
Optimus chose Ultra Magnus to be his successor because at face value Ultra Magnus was the best out of many bad options, and Optimus Prime wasn't some kind of prophet, he couldn't see everything.
The Matrix confers the strength, experience, and wisdom of all previous Primes. Add that to Ultra Magnus and you merely get a stronger, smarter Ultra Magnus. Add that to Hot Rod and the boy becomes a man, a fresh new Prime ready to lead the Autobots into a brand new age.
Also, Hot Rod's rulebreaking is the only reason Autobot City (and Ultra Magnus) survived Megatron's assault long enough for Optimus to arrive and save the day, since Hot Rod broke into Lookout Point to watch the shuttle land and was able to observe the Decepticon raiding party, immediately launching into attacking it, which foiled Megatron's Trojan Horse plan, buying the Autobots the seconds they needed to get their defenses up.
Ultra Magnus dropped the ball. He missed his chance. If Hot Rod didn't catch it, it would've either bounced and hit somebody in the leg (that time-honored method of leader selection) or Autobot City would've become the Autobots new leader.
Also, "first one to touch it" doesn't fit with how Optimus got the Matrix in the first place (Orion Pax was a youthful fuckup, who was saved from mortal wounds by Alpha Trion, who apparently healed him by delivering him the Matrix).
I'm down with auto bot city giving leadership a shot. lol
This thread reminds me, I need to re-buy the Blu-Ray. My brother stole and lost the Widescreen disc from it.
Y'know what always bothered me the most about this?
Hot Rod's arms had guns built right into them. He was literally never without a gun unless you actually ripped his arms off. He could've easily just blasted the gun that Megatron was reaching for. We'd already seen he had good enough aim to hit a tiny hole in a shuttle from several hundred meters away, so blasting a gun from barely 10 or 20 meters away should've been no problem.
Y'know what always bothered me the most about this?
Hot Rod's arms had guns built right into them. He was literally never without a gun unless you actually ripped his arms off. He could've easily just blasted the gun that Megatron was reaching for. We'd already seen he had good enough aim to hit a tiny hole in a shuttle from several hundred meters away, so blasting a gun from barely 10 or 20 meters away should've been no problem.
I'd imagine they only run out of Energon if Hot Rod himself is running low, they seem to be directly connected to him and there's no sign of them having their own independent power source.Do those arm guns ever run out of ammo? Like lack of energon or something?
After seeing the Autobots defence of Autobot city on earth I came to the conclusion that they can't shoot for shit. The shuttle must have been a fluke. All through that battle I don't think we see an Autobot shoot a Decepticon. The funniest part is when they are retreating after Optimus turns the tide of the battle. The deceptions have their backs to them as they are running away and the Autobots still aren't landing any shots 😂
Welles's very final role, recorded a month before his death.
Didn't he die before finish recording and Nimoy had to finish his lines? Obviously this was just a paycheck for Welles.
There's long been speculation to that effect but it was shot down by movie staff in an interview. See the TF wiki.
I kind of feel bad for still finding this Welles' greatest performance. He gave us Citizen Kane and War of the Worlds, but he gave me Unicron.
I'd imagine they only run out of Energon if Hot Rod himself is running low, they seem to be directly connected to him and there's no sign of them having their own independent power source.
It must be a testament to Wells' sheer poise and talent that he did such a fantastic job as Unicron, despite his well-documented feelings on the role. Just go back to the meeting between Unicron and Megatron - just great stuff.
Since I never really followed the TV series after either, did that little pipsqueek robot from prison planet become a recurring member? Man he was so annoying
If Hot Rod had been that drained I doubt he'd have been running and leaping around declaring he had to help Prime.Well exactly. If they were under siege for I want to say at least half a day, if not more, then his energon might be running low and using those arm guns might have killed him or caused him to pass out due to energon deficiency. I mean I doubt this much thought was put into it though
Y'know what always bothered me the most about this?
Hot Rod's arms had guns built right into them. He was literally never without a gun unless you actually ripped his arms off. He could've easily just blasted the gun that Megatron was reaching for. We'd already seen he had good enough aim to hit a tiny hole in a shuttle from several hundred meters away, so blasting a gun from barely 10 or 20 meters away should've been no problem.
I've thought about Hot Rod's options here, and he also could have yelled, but yelling could've given Megatron precisely the distraction he was looking for. Shooting would have been the correct choice, but Hot Rod chose tackle. I'm willing to admit that Hot Rod was an idiot there.
But the thing is, Hot Rod is supposed to be a child, a teenager, to be precise. He acted without thinking when he opened fire on the shuttle (good call), and he acted without thinking when he tried to tackle Megatron (bad call).
People crap on Hot Rod for touching the Matrix, as if this was the sole reason why they couldn't have Ultra Magnus as New Leader instead of Rodimus Prime, but Hot Rod respectfully handed the Matrix to Ultra Magnus, who he accepted as his New Leader.
Bobby Roberts has mentioned before that the split-up adventures with the two shuttles seems to have no purpose in the story, but I think it works as a comparison between Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus as leader.
Ultra Magnus ordered Blurr to get the Dinobots on the shuttle, but Blurr couldn't do it, because the Dinobots are too stubborn. So Ultra Magnus ordered Kup and Hot Rod to take over for Blurr, while everyone else gets on a different shuttle. One could infer that Ultra Magnus was willing to let Kup and Hot Rod (the two most useless Autobots) die, if they couldn't get the job done and the Dinobots could be deemed a lost cause. But then Hot Rod made a lasso and corralled Grimlock, and got his shuttle launched first. And Ultra Magnus launched his shuttle before Arcee was aboard. Good thing she jumped/Springer caught her, otherwise Ultra Magnus would've looked pretty bad.
In the air, Hot Rod's shuttle got pounded by Galvatron until it went down. Ultra Magnus: "I can't deal with that right now." That is sooo not the response of a leader. But he did manage to buy some time by crashing on his own planet.
On his planet, Hot Rod fought his way past robo-vines and robo-piranhas, to find Kup defeated by a robo-squid, which Hot Rod defeated using cleverness since the robo-squid was overpowering. Then they got arrested and Hot Rod pretty much busted his way out of jail before Grimlock arrived to seal the deal.
Ultra Magnus meanwhile, got another visit from Galvatron, and Magnus managed to save his crew by burying them, to face Galvatron alone. And then like an idiot, he whipped out the Matrix and tried to use it to nuke Galvatron, because this must be the Autobots Darkest Hour, even though earlier in the film they had just planned to try using the Matrix on Unicron, who was still out there. Magnus backed into a corner = The end of the world. Magnus: "WTF Optimus? You told me this would work." No, Optimus didn't. Magnus told Optimus he wasn't worthy. Optimus said that he knew that Magnus wasn't worthy, and neither was he. But legend says that one day a Chosen One will come along, and he will be worthy, and he will Light their Darkest Hour. Ultra Magnus (despite his earlier reluctance, and his pounding string of failures) ended up thinking the Chosen One was him. And then he got himself blown to bits. Oops.
Then Hot Rod comes along and saves Ultra Magnus' crew from the Junkions by making peace with them, using the technique that didn't work for Kup previously.
Then Hot Rod leads everyone to go after the lost Matrix and try to stop Unicron, and he gets separated from the group and winds up alone with Galvatron, and unafraid, he fights Galvatron better than anyone has since Galvatron showed up and started powning Autobots and Decepticons left and right, because Hot Rod's dodging and using hit-and-run tactics to frustrate his stronger opponent. And remember, Hot Rod is still a child at this point. A teenager. And he's putting up a better fight than Ultra Magnus did. That's why I say Hot Rod is an idiot, but he doesn't suck.
I agree with a lot of what you say. Besides being voiced by Robert Stack I never liked Ultra Magnus and think Hot Rod gets too much hate.
Magnus' quote "I can't deal with that right now." always stuck in my head for some reason. I always thought you'd never hear Optimus say something like that. Why'd he pick this guy for the next leader? But I guess at the time Magnus was the option since Ironhide was out and Bumbebee was in "oh shit."
I would have picked Grimlock.
Optimus: shot in the stomach, can't be saved.
Ultra Magnus: blown to pieces, good as new.
Wait, really?
Sure, but only because Magnus was on Junkion, which was literally populated with scrap repair experts. Only thing Perceptor could do for Prime was to look at the wound closer. Pfft.
The script apparently called for him to die for reals, but then Hasbro realized that new toys probably don't sell so good if you kill them dead, a mere 45 minutes after you first introduce them to the audience.
So he got healed up with magic Junkion spooge.
Ultra Magnus doesn't do anything after getting revived, and is even missing from several scenes where he should be present.
This is bad comedy.Such heroic nonsense
This is bad comedy.