This is the silliest excuse ever. How does it make sense for both of them to have the same voice?
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Remembering MGSV and getting sad part XI: audience robbed of revenge
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Roni
Gold Member
You really want to pick apart that little nugget of a plot device? Why did they have the same face? How did they have the same memories?
You're looking for an answer that lies in the territory of suspension of disbelief.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
That's not really a Kojima thing, a lot of Japanese games, books, movies, etc. spell out the themes to their audience. Japan has always been more explicit with that kind of storytelling.
I'm not sure why you have a problem with MGSV's dialog and not the others. The previous games were far more in your face with telling you the stories themes. Seriously, Liquid in MGS1 and The Boss in MGS3 just dump all the thematic elements onto you right before you fight them.
Work of an Enemy Stand
Member
What would be a part of the series' main DNA if you don't mind then?
Also, I never said it was the biggest part, I said it was one of them, and I still stand by what I said, half of the reason I even play these games is because of Snake's and Raiden's characters, I like them and want to see what happens to them, everything else is secondary.
Hell if it wasn't for that I would have dropped Peace Walker immediately because I didn't like the game.
I actually didn't like it's story as well, it's also one of my biggest disappointments in the series, along with TPP.
Oh, let me add another bullet point to that list, Peace Walker is also guilty of this. MGS4 is also bad at this, but for different reasons.
-Boring bosses without personality who can kill you way too fast.
Special mention goes to the Skulls, who are just generic undead elite mooks in MGSV, and FUCK those clown vehicles in MPW.
Fair enough.
Honestly, to me the only way Konami saves the story to MGS5 is to actually make an MGS6 that still follows Big Boss. Who knows what they are planning at this point but I cant see them discarding the fox engine after this zombie spinoff. Kojima wasn't the only one responsible for MGS's story entirely, so others could be potentially continuing it. To me that's the only way 5's story can feel complete in the long run
DOBERMAN INC
Member
Looking back now it had so much wasted potential and missing content, yet I still consider it one of the greatest games ever made.
uomoartificiale
Member
Tried to replay it last week and as a game it's not a coherent package: the open world makes no sense whatsoever, mother base is quite the joke. Initially some systems are cool, like fultoning animals or capturing soldiers with the interpreter skill, but then it becomes clear that it will amount to nothing. I was quite depressed and a couple of hours in I uninstalled the game.
Roni
Gold Member
Infiltration gameplay, one-on-one showdown boss fights, playing the unaware hero, mech battles, supernatural characters, conspiracies, hyperreality, betrayals...
GameAddict411
Member
If you loved 4, you would hate this game so much. That's because it's the opposite in every regard.
OT: MGS5 is the disappointment of this generation for me. Not even Mass Effect Andromeda could steal that title. I have always loved MGS games because they had incredible unique elements on how they handle characters, story telling regardless if it's bad or not. Something that Kojima completely gutted MGS5 from. It turned into one of those mindless open world where you do a bunch of stuff that never matters for the development of the game.
Roni
Gold Member
Not necessarily, I think MGS4 is the pinnacle of classic MGS gameplay. Peace Walker and V are something different, and I love them too.
Pejo
Member
I put more hours into MGSV than the rest of the series combined. It was a great game, and the gameplay was so, so good.
I never understood why people had a boner for the MGS story, it wasn't that good to begin with. I beat MGS 1-4, and none of it really made me go "wow!" It was ok for a video game series and the cutscenes were well done, but it wasn't like life-changing.
That said, this game was clearly unfinished, and there were probably significant problems during development, but I still really like playing the game, which is the important part for me.
I never understood why people had a boner for the MGS story, it wasn't that good to begin with. I beat MGS 1-4, and none of it really made me go "wow!" It was ok for a video game series and the cutscenes were well done, but it wasn't like life-changing.
That said, this game was clearly unfinished, and there were probably significant problems during development, but I still really like playing the game, which is the important part for me.
My man.
Chakra_Khan
Member
Another observation about V's relation to 2:
As a reflection of solidus, you might say that Venom's buddy roster are akin to Dead Cell.
You have:
The heavy : D-Walker / Fatman
The scout : D-Dog / Vamp
The sniper : Quiet / Fortune
As for D-Horse I'm not so sure.
As a reflection of solidus, you might say that Venom's buddy roster are akin to Dead Cell.
You have:
The heavy : D-Walker / Fatman
The scout : D-Dog / Vamp
The sniper : Quiet / Fortune
As for D-Horse I'm not so sure.
velociraptor
Junior Member
MGSV is the worst MGS game I have played, and I still don't even know what the fucking plot is.
I have just found out now that character you play in the game isn't even Big Boss.
When was that revealed in the game?
The controls were fantastic but everything else sucked balls.
I have just found out now that character you play in the game isn't even Big Boss.
When was that revealed in the game?
The controls were fantastic but everything else sucked balls.
semiconscious
Member
during the 'true ending'. while you were on your phone
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjcXZTTXN8
Audioboxer
Member
MGS is dead just as Silent Hill is. Konami legacy 👌
Kojima screwed the pooch on 5 too though. Great gameplay, utterly terrible story. Even by MGS standards. 4 haters gonna gate, MGS4 was still a great MGS game.
End of an era and all that jazz, just gotta hope Kojima can go on and do something great with Death Stranding.
Kojima screwed the pooch on 5 too though. Great gameplay, utterly terrible story. Even by MGS standards. 4 haters gonna gate, MGS4 was still a great MGS game.
End of an era and all that jazz, just gotta hope Kojima can go on and do something great with Death Stranding.
Whompa02
Member
D-Horse is the soldier peeing off the side of Strut L. But seriously these comparisons are getting ridiculous.
I remember when the game first came out and everyone thought chapter 51 was some kind of ARG or an update that kept being teased or needed to be unlocked somehow. It was nuts and felt like such a "Kojima" thing to do. But as we all know it was all bunk and the chapter truly just didn't exist or get finished.
The game was really incredible as a video game, but it was such a disappointment as a Metal Gear game. Metal Gear is probably my favorite all time game franchise to exist, and I was really hoping for more story, more character interaction, just more Metal Gear goodness. Instead we got a very small amount of it and an unfinished story to boot.
I'm sad that this was the sendoff for Metal Gear, I'm happy it was at least a fantastic game to play and had some great story moments still I can fondly remember. But I really wish it could have been finished at the very least.
The game was really incredible as a video game, but it was such a disappointment as a Metal Gear game. Metal Gear is probably my favorite all time game franchise to exist, and I was really hoping for more story, more character interaction, just more Metal Gear goodness. Instead we got a very small amount of it and an unfinished story to boot.
I'm sad that this was the sendoff for Metal Gear, I'm happy it was at least a fantastic game to play and had some great story moments still I can fondly remember. But I really wish it could have been finished at the very least.
Papo Swing
Member
I loved the game. One of the best I've ever played.
Didn't mind the story. I liked what we got. Could it have been better? Sure, but I am more than happy.
Didn't mind the story. I liked what we got. Could it have been better? Sure, but I am more than happy.
hydrophilic attack
Member
velociraptor
Junior Member
I stopped playing MGSV after killing Sahelanteapgous (mission 31)during the 'true ending'. while you were on your phone
What other missions do I play to continue the story of MGSV?
The Fatal Englishman
Member
Why did BB need to 'fall' anyway? His character arc or, rather, lack thereof still makes sense without MGS5. The latter is completely superfluous in the grand scheme of the series.
Everything BB does is in pursuit of his warped understanding of the Boss' final will which, for him, amounts to the establishment of a 'paradise' for soldiers (see: a nuclear-armed rogue state). The war economy was just the natural conclusion to the Boss' dream.
Everything BB does is in pursuit of his warped understanding of the Boss' final will which, for him, amounts to the establishment of a 'paradise' for soldiers (see: a nuclear-armed rogue state). The war economy was just the natural conclusion to the Boss' dream.
As one of the few people who LOVED MGSV's ending missions(Quarantine and the twist, not quiet's) I don't think any game will ever effect me as much as the
I also never super cared about Solid Snake, the only game I've actually played of his is 2, which is arguably more Raiden's game. I love the character of Big Boss to death, and disagree generally with the "coward" stuff.
I still feel the point of that twist was to show just how Big Boss was able to seem so superhuman, and it does that by showing
#BigBossDidNothingWrong
"Big Boss is the legend, not the man" reveal with Venom
I also never super cared about Solid Snake, the only game I've actually played of his is 2, which is arguably more Raiden's game. I love the character of Big Boss to death, and disagree generally with the "coward" stuff.
I still feel the point of that twist was to show just how Big Boss was able to seem so superhuman, and it does that by showing
that there was 2 big bosses, both working to build up the legend. He was literally in two places.
The stuff about Big Boss stealing someone's life is flimsy at best, since the soldier likely would have died for him either way.
The stuff about Big Boss stealing someone's life is flimsy at best, since the soldier likely would have died for him either way.
#BigBossDidNothingWrong
You fuck around in the open world until they give you one lol, atleast that's how I remember it.
Graphics Horse
Member
It is sad that it wasn't given more time. Fact. Yet disappointment comes from expectation.
Of course players are allowed to bring baggage from the previous entries of the series or from marketing material, but that is more often to their own detriment.
MGSV very much delivered on its marketing promise of excellent sandbox gameplay the likes of which has never been seen on console.
The story had a very interesting tone and expected a lot of the player. One might fault it for being imperfect, but that did not stop it from having me thinking about it or carrying emotional weight. It's only really such a massive problem as it's constantly made out to be, because many people cannot disassociate their expectations from the reality of the game. To me what was there stayed with me for a long time. I have easily spend more time playing and pondering MGSV than all the other entries combined, because it's really unique, highly ambitious, massively successful in most areas and horribly chopped up and slaughtered by time constraints in some
others, but it's not incoherent. It's just very different storytelling than other titles in the series and with what Kojima was aiming for I'm not so sure if all the time in the world would have made a massive difference to the disappointed, because what he was aiming for was a different kind of Metal Gear. To me it's easily a masterpiece on its own merits.
Of course players are allowed to bring baggage from the previous entries of the series or from marketing material, but that is more often to their own detriment.
MGSV very much delivered on its marketing promise of excellent sandbox gameplay the likes of which has never been seen on console.
The story had a very interesting tone and expected a lot of the player. One might fault it for being imperfect, but that did not stop it from having me thinking about it or carrying emotional weight. It's only really such a massive problem as it's constantly made out to be, because many people cannot disassociate their expectations from the reality of the game. To me what was there stayed with me for a long time. I have easily spend more time playing and pondering MGSV than all the other entries combined, because it's really unique, highly ambitious, massively successful in most areas and horribly chopped up and slaughtered by time constraints in some
others, but it's not incoherent. It's just very different storytelling than other titles in the series and with what Kojima was aiming for I'm not so sure if all the time in the world would have made a massive difference to the disappointed, because what he was aiming for was a different kind of Metal Gear. To me it's easily a masterpiece on its own merits.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Well, you're banned, but this may help you anyway:
Play main missions marked yellow and side ops marked yellow. Listen to intel tapes. If you've played all intel tapes and yellow missions and side-ops available without anything new showing up, try playing a few normal side-ops, or higher-difficulty main mission, or try going back to mother base for cutscene