It can be both.
Just interested, because in the article it says "not sure how this will work on wifi at home". Ad-hoc would be used at home.
It can be both.
Just interested, because in the article it says "not sure how this will work on wifi at home". Ad-hoc would be used at home.
Journalist not knowing how Remote Play works = nothing strange
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=82708361&postcount=232
Both direct and access point connection will work.
Just interested, because in the article it says "not sure how this will work on wifi at home". Ad-hoc would be used at home.
When PS3 and PSP launched the Wifi Alliance only had the adhoc mode for peer to peer connection and limited in features which led them to create Wifi Direct. Its just a software stack that works on any Wifi card, it allows for simultaneous infrastructure and peer to peer connection. Wifi Direct is a marketing label and is not required for a device to support said features and pretty much anyone can roll there own like Apple, Nintendo and you will not see any Wifi Direct label on their product or spec sheet.
http://www.wi-fi.org/download.php?f...oads-public/faq_20101021_Wi-Fi_Direct_FAQ.pdfWill legacy devices be upgradeable to support the specification underlying the Wi-Fi Direct certification program?
The Wi-Fi Direct certification program does not require new hardware to operate, so some vendors may offer software upgrades. However, it’s important to
note that interoperability between devices certified under the Wi-Fi Direct program and legacy devices is a key element of the underlying specification, so even non-upgraded devices can join a network certified as Wi-Fi Direct.
Not just journalists but many GAFers had to be educated on this when God of War Collection and Ico/SOTC games were patched with Remote Play
I am making PS4 Remote Play |OT| thread, so hopefully we gaffers will get education.
Any suggestions for the thread title?
I am making PS4 Remote Play |OT| thread, so hopefully we gaffers will get education.
Any suggestions for the thread title?
CorrectIt ends up with the same problems that PS3-to-PSP had as far as Remote Play using the wifi card for the same purpose, though, right? The wifi can only do one job at a time on PS3, so unless you had both a wifi and a wired connection, you couldn't do online functions when in Remote Play. Unless PS4 has a means around that (does it? I don't know the specs behind this, but as far as I know there's not two wifi radios?) that'll be a huge issue for PS4 because online is even more a factor given the number of games meant to be played online and also the chances that Netflix or Gaikai or other streaming is the reason you're place-shifting and also Trophies and all of that. Hopefully Sony has an answer for that...
...Or maybe they do. Didn't know that about the WiFi Direct protocol, will look it up, but if it's designed for simultaneous radio communication, we're golden.
EDIT: Reading up on it, the spec allows for simultaneous infrastructure/ad-hoc, but it's up to the provider. Does the PS4 spec confirm that it's a simultaneous connection device? (They'd be crazy not to, but I don't know if that's been listed?)
http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge-cent...-regular-wi-fi-network-and-group-wi-fi-direct
EDIT2: Actually, lots of spec analysis of PS4 versus Xbox One mention that one of the disadvantages of PS4 is that it does not use WiFi Direct, so where does that leave things? Sounds like it's just a certification, though, not any kind of chipset or special configuration. I still want to know what the PS4's wifi can and cannot do, not sure if the public specs have been specific enough about that?
well not every game has off-screen support, all (99.9%) of ps4 games will. plus the gamepad increased the price of the Wii u, while the vita is optional.As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
I am making PS4 Remote Play |OT| thread, so hopefully we gaffers will get education.
Any suggestions for the thread title?
As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
The lack of fake Vita Remote play Gifs on a Remote Play Thread is very disheartening GAF... I'm disappointed
Since I care... I'll give you three
I really hate this argument, because you're spinning it so much. The vita TV and Vita are both optional, so if you already own one or were planning on getting one (vita TV), then you have the bonus of the remote play and ps4 extender (which btw the gamepad allows you to use remote play, but it doesn't allow you to connect it to another tv similar to the vita TV), that being said for people who don't give a shit about this, of which I'm sure there are plenty, they aren't forced to buy anything. The gamepad is a gimmick ultimately, that people simply don't care enough about, and figure the money would've been better spent on developing an online platform, or improving the graphics. Just my 2 cents.
As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
And the fact that the PSP had it, far, far before the Wii U.
To be fair, the PSP remote play is horrendous. The gamepad has been flawless in that respect (when it comes to lag).
I have great hope that PS4 remote play with the Vita will be MUCH better, though.
You don't have to hope. This very thread is about impressions from people who have tried it.
I made all of those... and now, i present you with the newest one [sorry for the shitty color scheme that destroyed the look of the Vita hardware]:
[btw, im very interested to see RP compression artifacts in this scene, tons of shit flying]
See, though, I'm still seeing lag on that screen. When they showed it at E3, there was clear lag. It's improved, I just hope it isn't enough to be distracting. Wii U is programmed to have the pad lineup with the TV--is that possible for this?
Either way, still excited, and glad to hear it will be much better than the PS3 remote play.
I´m ashamed to ask a stupid question, but everything i read still makes me confused:
let´s say i buy a PS Vita TV.
Can i play Vita games on it, using a TV and a Dualshock?
Or i need all of that AND a regular PSvita to stream the game?
Genuine question. Couldn´t find a FAQ in english.
As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
I never bothered to actually buy a Vita, but if the remote play works as well as it seems to work, then I wont be able to resist much longer.
Playing graphical masterpieces like the Witcher 3, Killzone shadowfall and battlefield 4 on my vita while laying in bed seems mindblowing to me.
As a lover of remote play its interesting to see how far opinions have changed regarding it. So many people were bashing the WiIU and still continue to bash its Off-TV play as something that "doesn't justify the gamepad." Yet Vita Off-TV is announced and not a single negative comment about it. I dont know if its just the usual Nintendo hate and people are only caring now cause its Sony or because they're finally starting to see the qualities of Off-TV play.
Seeing lag in the video and perceiving it while palying are two different things though. Both sites claimed no lag. Now clearly the IS lag, there HAS to be some lag, but they didn't notice it while playing. Maybe it's more noticeable in a faster paced game.
I've not seen any videos of the WiiU outputting the same screen to the TV and the pad to see if there is any lag between them. I don't quite get how there couldn't be, since each TV has a different lag, plus one is wired with HDMI and one isn't.
IGN's video impression of Knack Remote Play with Vita!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TmlgVTMKgM&hd=1
"The game does look spectacular [on vita], its running without any lag whatsoever... Ammm... Actually... Yeah, I'm honestly amazed about how good it looks right now. "
There is absolutely zero lag with Wii U. The analyses done after launch showed that the gamepad actually was something like 100ms ahead of the system. In some cases, the gamepad was actually slightly ahead of the TV. It works perfectly, which is why I was asking if it was possible with PS4.
Forgetting what we're hearing people who have used the off tv play say for the moment. I would expect Sony's solution to perform at least as good since they have the expertise of Gaikai. Wouldn't you think?
They are, the gaikai team has been helping out with PS4's remote play.Are they even utilizing Gaikai right now? I don't know--I hadn't heard anything.
Seeing that IGN/Knack video made me a believer, though. Wow.
They are, the gaikai team has been helping out with PS4's remote play.
Remote Play was a large factor in whether or not I was getting a Vita, and honestly the input lag was the one thing that was keeping me on the fence. After this news, I'll definitely be picking one up at the end of this year. Hopefully the OLED models will get a price cut.
Question: If they have this kind of functionality, couldn't they use the Vita for a second player as an alternative to split screen? So you would pop your game in the PS4, player 1 plays on the big screen, with the screen all to himself, and player 2 remotes in through their Vita, and has their screen all to themselves.