Okey thanks for confirming that you have neither an idea where Albania is nor how are things there.
I wasn't talking about Albania actually just Sudan
Okey thanks for confirming that you have neither an idea where Albania is nor how are things there.
Boko Haram is active in Croatia? Or am I interpreting this data incorrectly?
Then do it, you could bring one person from these countries into Europe by marrying them every three years. Do your part.
Boko Haram is active in Croatia? Or am I interpreting this data incorrectly?
And the EU doesn't give a flying fuck.
Meanwhile the Austrian government called the army to guard the border with Italy.
But hey, if we complain we're the racists.
hahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
Where was this opinion during hundred years of colonization???
Karma is a bitch. I hope many more refugees and immigrants arrive here. Welcome to the promised land!
Well this is a new one lmao
Open borders is fine, as long as the outer borders are protected. There is little reason for a border between Austria and its neighbors. But in this case, the EU is failing to actually help Italy in stopping this stream of immigrants.Defending your borders is a sane response really. Majority of these people are not refugees but illegal immigrants and should be treated as such. You have every right to guard your borders from what is essentially a criminal activity.
Empathy and feelings are all fine and dandy but are useless when it clouds rationality. Open borders is a colossal shitstorm.
You can understand this and still think it is a bad idea for these people to do.<3 just being a bit sarcastic.
I think a lot of people here have no idea how hard it is. To take a dangerous trip, in which many die, to Europe for a better life. It's not because they are bored or want a new iphone 7. It's for the betterment of their lives. If you can't understand this, then please just don't say anything.
You can understand this and still think it is a bad idea for these people to do.
The current way things are you have people risking their lives on a dangerous journey, with risk of abuse of even dying. Mostly young men can make the journey, while the more vulnerable stay behind. Meanwhile smugglers are making billions from this. When arriving in Europe, there are little prospects for most of these people, leading to them going into an illegal life here. Because it are mostly young men, these are also risk groups with more crime and trouble.Why is it so? Explain it to me, please?
FYI former (?) refugee/asylum seeker here, I have seen enough asylum camps, food packages and hate from the locals. So please enlighten me.
The current way things are you have people risking their lives on a dangerous journey, with risk of abuse of even dying. Mostly young men can make the journey, while the more vulnerable stay behind. Meanwhile smugglers are making billions from this. When arriving in Europe, there are little prospects for most of these people, leading to them going into an illegal life here. Because it are mostly young men, these are also risk groups with more crime and trouble.
At the same time, the receiving countries in Europe can not handle this amount of people year after year. If this continues, you will see increasing pushback against immigration and more extreme solutions. To prevent this, we need an actual system that will bring people over in smaller amounts, while creating safe spaces for them in their region which will be cheaper and help more people.
You can acknowledge that these people want a better live, while at the same time being critical of the way that is currently being done, which is leading to bad results.
If solving the problems in those countries is impossible, then should we just move these hundreds of millions of people? That is also not a solution.I agree with the first part. And most refugees know this, but they still take this journey. Must be really shitty back home to take this dangerous trip. Nevertheless they will do this.
And yes the problems should be solved at the home countries. But I don't see that happening for the foreseeable future. I even think this is impossible. At this moment our mindset as humanity doesn't allow us that. We think to much in groups (countries/places) to understand the suffering of others. We just don't care.
The current way things are you have people risking their lives on a dangerous journey, with risk of abuse of even dying. Mostly young men can make the journey, while the more vulnerable stay behind. Meanwhile smugglers are making billions from this. When arriving in Europe, there are little prospects for most of these people, leading to them going into an illegal life here. Because it are mostly young men, these are also risk groups with more crime and trouble.
At the same time, the receiving countries in Europe can not handle this amount of people year after year. If this continues, you will see increasing pushback against immigration and more extreme solutions. To prevent this, we need an actual system that will bring people over in smaller amounts, while creating safe spaces for them in their region which will be cheaper and help more people.
You can acknowledge that these people want a better live, while at the same time being critical of the way that is currently being done, which is leading to bad results.
(Google translate alert) : "The integration of asylum migrants is much slower and more robust than that of migrant workers, according to the extensive study. The long waiting time for a status and a home, plus the "lost time" in the shelters, puts this group at a great disadvantage and increases the likelihood of long-term unemployment. Crime among this group is also higher than average.
Five years after their arrival in the Netherlands, a quarter of the asylum seekers had a paid job of more than 30 hours. After fifteen years, it was only 35 percent. With the migrant workers it is 65 and 50 percent. Asylum migrants with little education, such as those from Somalia, are the least likely to find a job. Higher educators, such as the refugees from Yugoslavia, do the best in the job market.
The crime among the eighty and ninety-year asylum migrants appears to be three times higher than among immigrants, and also higher than those among labor migrants. Researcher Roel Jennissen of the WODC states that "a very big difference". It is mainly power crimes such as theft by single, young, unemployed men. The fact that a large minority of the current asylum migrants is made up of single men is a reason for faster integration, researchers find."
"What is happening in the Islamic world and sub-Saharan Africa today is a demographic explosion that does not know its display. Every twenty-five years, the population of sub-Saharan Africa doubles. Just count it: 1 billion now, 2 billion around 2040, 4 billion over fifty years. They grow against their natural boundaries. That means: famine and more civil wars. Dozens of millions of Africans want to come to Europe.
If you want to allow those people, as D66 and Groen Links want - parties who do not set an upper limit on the number of refugees - then the welfare state will collapse. And that can happen in a short period of time. We see the number of asylum seekers who apply for social security now rising rapidly. ( ... ) There are more than 2 million non-westerners and more than 13 native Dutchmen in the Netherlands, and there are already more non-Westerners than Dutchmen applying for social security. The native Dutch are thus financing an unemployed immigrant subclass. "
"I want to show with my calculations that mass immigration and the welfare state do not coincide. What matters is the following: when a Dutchman is born, he first gets a lot of money from the government. Then he will work and returns money back to the state in the form of taxes. And at the end of his life he takes money again. Throughout his life he costs the state an average of 45 thousand Euro. That amount can be combined with sustainable debt consolidation. You can keep this up forever.
If you bring in immigrants when they are about 25 years old and who perform better than the average Dutchman, you will benefit from that. For example, you do not have to pay their education anymore. A young, highly educated knowledge migrant will eventually raise money. However, low-skilled, low-income and often in benefits, pay money. The average non-western labor migrant costs around 120 thousand euros over a lifetime.
The average asylum will spend so much time living on social security and pay so little taxes, that he'll cost 300,000 euro over a lifetime. So if you import 100,000 asylum seekers, as happened under Rutte II, the first two generations will costs around 70 billion euros: for shelter, housing, assistance, healthcare, social security, old age pension. For those people, the state pays to death. I have already taken into account remigration in my demographic section, based on figures from the Central Bureau of Statistics. "
If solving the problems in those countries is impossible, then should we just move these hundreds of millions of people? That is also not a solution.
I think according to the UN, the amount of refugees on the move where around 50 million.
Source:
http://www.unhcr.org/figures-at-a-glance.html
Not hundred of millions.
I'm a bit surprised that brain-dead Abbott's "stop the boats" mantra hasn't caught on in southern Europe to get those easy votes.
Yes, but you said that the issues in their countries will not be solved. So even if you bring over a million people to Europe, next year you have another million new people with exactly the same problems. Just moving them around is not going to solve anything, and at some point there are too many people for the systems in Europe to handle. We want to give everyone a good living standard, but that is only possible to some extend as the poster above also says. Otherwise you are just moving people from poverty in their home country to poverty in Europe.I think according to the UN, the amount of refugees on the move where around 50 million.
Source:
http://www.unhcr.org/figures-at-a-glance.html
Not hundred of millions.
The current way things are you have people risking their lives on a dangerous journey, with risk of abuse of even dying. Mostly young men can make the journey, while the more vulnerable stay behind. Meanwhile smugglers are making billions from this. When arriving in Europe, there are little prospects for most of these people, leading to them going into an illegal life here. Because it are mostly young men, these are also risk groups with more crime and trouble.
At the same time, the receiving countries in Europe can not handle this amount of people year after year. If this continues, you will see increasing pushback against immigration and more extreme solutions. To prevent this, we need an actual system that will bring people over in smaller amounts, while creating safe spaces for them in their region which will be cheaper and help more people.
You can acknowledge that these people want a better live, while at the same time being critical of the way that is currently being done, which is leading to bad results.
Yes, but you said that the issues in their countries will not be solved. So even if you bring over a million people to Europe, next year you have another million new people with exactly the same problems. Just moving them around is not going to solve anything, and at some point there are too many people for the systems in Europe to handle. We want to give everyone a good living standard, but that is only possible to some extend as the poster above also says. Otherwise you are just moving people from poverty in their home country to poverty in Europe.
Hope those fuckers sink
Yeah, but that is only addressing half of what the poster said. You WOULD be allowing refugees into Europe by marrying them, but not doing anything about white supremacists.Then do it, you could bring one person from these countries into Europe by marrying them every three years. Do your part.
oh it has
the next elections in Italy are going to be a shitshow
Yes, smugglers, as in the group. Not individually. But there are people getting rich of this.sorry, I agree with this post but smugglers making billions? I have a hard time believing that. did you mean all smugglers collectively? if you did that's kind of a weird way to put it.
You dehumanize them by calling them essentially freeloaders.
But if they just get 143 - 360 euros of free pocket money in Germany, thats pretty much nothing. Thats poverty line over here. Can't build a life or send money back on such a budget. Even if rooms are paid for. And no, they don't get apartments. Most landlords will never rent to refugees if they don't have to.
So they are stuck in refugee homes and camps. Which, again, is a whole bunch of nothing.
Somebody post that oreo gif of the three classes of people, that's esentially what is happening.
The middle class gets mad at the economic refugees freeloading while nobody looks at what the rich are doing anymore.
This is BS for example (thats probably fed to them from profit hungry smugglers), and even if it isn't, it's not a lot of money over here, and they don't get apartments, they are stuck in refugee homes and camps in conditions I don't wish anyone to live in.
The line is blurred. Try live in any of the countries in that list of so-called filthy economic migrants, then come back and tell whether your life is in danger or not. Say, West African countries, they may not be in open wars, but there is corruption, violence, terrorism, sectarian conflict, terrible job prospects, deficient healthcare and sanitation... Do you, in your developed, peaceful country, have the right to say who can try and go for a better life and who can't?
The fact that people go into debt and risk their lifes to come here tells something. Maybe we should listen more.
Lollmao
their ship got seized
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/defend-europe-ship-c-star_uk_5970bfdde4b0110cb3cca59c
According to anti-extremist group, Hope Not Hate, naval authorities surrounded the vessel and took over control from those on board.
An employee at the Suez Canal Authority confirmed it was arrested by the security authorities because of a matter of security due to the lack of documentation and papers.
lmao
their ship got seized
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/defend-europe-ship-c-star_uk_5970bfdde4b0110cb3cca59c
lmao
their ship got seized
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/defend-europe-ship-c-star_uk_5970bfdde4b0110cb3cca59c
Horror and war?? You must be kidding. Just about every migrant who crosses over from Libiya to Italy comes from a safe country:
https://twitter.com/FranckenTheo/status/882461180257857536
There is no place in Europe for every poor fucking sob from Africa.oh, things are worse elsewhere? guess rampant xenophobia & nationalism are cool then
Many immigrants are attracted by Europe's wealth and its generous social welfare systems. These systems are paid for by the employed, working citizens of a country. That system can only keep on working if the small group of working citizens can pay for the upkeep and welfare of everyone who doesn't. When you bring in hundreds of thousands of people who don't have enough qualifications to get (and keep) a job during their productive years (20-65), it means that they've only fed off the welfare system instead of adding to it. You can't keep importing unqualified immigrants who'll only costs money forever. At some point this will have consequences for everyone because there's less money to go around.
Take for instance these Dutch newspaper articles:
https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/vluchtelingen-dreigen-onderklasse-te-worden~a4218617/
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/stop-massa-immigratie-om-verzorgingsstaat-betaalbaar-te-houden~aae4b1cb/
There is no place in Europe for every poor fucking sob from Africa.
You could say it got.....cap....seized......YEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
There is something ironic about these guys wanting to "defend Europe" as they say with a ship from... Djibouti.lmao
their ship got seized
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/defend-europe-ship-c-star_uk_5970bfdde4b0110cb3cca59c
If you are a legal immigrant to most places, you won't get benefits upon arrival but have the take care of yourself. If you arrive as an illegal immigrant through these ways, the state needs to take care of you until you are deported or get a status.Then don't let migrants have welfare benefits? Immigration is good for the economy, even if it's low skilled labour.
lmao
their ship got seized
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/defend-europe-ship-c-star_uk_5970bfdde4b0110cb3cca59c
If you are a legal immigrant to most places, you won't get benefits upon arrival but have the take care of yourself. If you arrive as an illegal immigrant through these ways, the state needs to take care of you until you are deported or get a status.
Legal immigration is not the problem for Europe.
lmao
their ship got seized
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/defend-europe-ship-c-star_uk_5970bfdde4b0110cb3cca59c