Inferno313
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Fucking Gene Hackman, GENE HACKMAN!!!, played Lex Luthor and we're all fawning over a D-tier TV actor.
This website sometimes.
Goddamit, top of the page.
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Rumor: Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor has been cut from JL
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Fucking Gene Hackman, GENE HACKMAN!!!, played Lex Luthor and we're all fawning over a D-tier TV actor.
This website sometimes.
Goddamit, top of the page.
Fancyarcher
Member
WB just needed a hit. Firing Snyder from BVS so soon would have been seen as bad for a look, even in retrospect. Still it's a dumb scene.
Nah, the entire idea was fucked from the start. No one was ever going to reasonably buy Jesse Eisenberg as a reasonable threat to beefcake Supes.
broncobuster
Banned
I think some people forget Hackman was based on pre-Crisis Lex Luthor. A lot of the ideas folks have for the modern Lex Luthor were established around Byrne's Man of Steel Lex in the mid '80s.
What made Spacey odd was having him as an odd blend of both.
Inferno313
Banned
Lex isn't ever a reasonable physical threat to Superman though. That's why the character is interesting. I hate the modern thing of putting him in a robo-suit so they can punch each other. He ought to be a mental threat to Superman. Eisenberg can do that incredibly well.
I wouldn't go that far. The idea of a modern lex being a Zuckerberg type was sound. But goofy lines, shacky acting, and over all stupid story arc sunk it.
KarneeKarnay
Member
I liked him as Lex. I think the direction he was given was fucking awful. Why does he hate Superman? Why doesn't he just kill him? Why does he act so over the top all the time? That wasn't a personal choice I think. I think that was the direction given.
They wanted Heaths Joker. I mean ffs.
They wanted Heaths Joker. I mean ffs.
Fucking Gene Hackman, GENE HACKMAN!!!, played Lex Luthor and we're all fawning over a D-tier TV actor.
This website sometimes.
Goddamit, top of the page.
Haha, I swear Inferno, I see you posting this gif roughly once every thread.
Gene Hackman's a fine actor, but I wasn't a fan of his overly comedic Lex, who was portrayed as something of a theatrical, dandyish fop...although as someone else mentioned, it was a fine interpretation of Lex's prior, and decidedly different, Golden Age characterization several decades back.
Nah, man...one day, I just want to see a Lex Luthor akin to something like this on screen:
Netherscourge
Banned
They really fucked up Lex Luthor in BvS.
Lex is one of the most iconic DC supervillians, and they ruined him in his first DCU appearance.
They made him into some sort of crazy Joker-Zuckerberg type, when he's supposed to be this evil corporate-greed mastermind type (aka a Diabolically Smart Donald Trump on Steroids)
Now the character is screwed forever in the DCU.
Lex is one of the most iconic DC supervillians, and they ruined him in his first DCU appearance.
They made him into some sort of crazy Joker-Zuckerberg type, when he's supposed to be this evil corporate-greed mastermind type (aka a Diabolically Smart Donald Trump on Steroids)
Now the character is screwed forever in the DCU.
Fancyarcher
Member
Fucking Gene Hackman, GENE HACKMAN!!!, played Lex Luthor and we're all fawning over a D-tier TV actor.
This website sometimes.
Goddamit, top of the page.
Lol!
"This is Lex Luthor. Only one thing alive with less than four legs can hear this frequency, Superman, and that's you".
Rosenbaum was a very good Luthor for what Smallville was, but Hackman's just fit the character for the time. Plus it's Hackman, aside from maybe Superman IV, he doesn't usually phone it in, even in the worst film. His Luthor was a pompous sarcastic criminal, it was great.
Well Hackman's performance more fits that particular version of the character, as I mentioned.
Lights and Waves
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Inferno313
Banned
I need to stop using it.
I don't disagree with your suggestion for what a new Lex could be. That's what I wanted to see Eisenberg play a version of too. I feel like, if they don't cut him from JL, there's a chance to course-correct. The end of BvS made it seem that the idea is that the alien contact warped Lex a little. Maybe he's recovered now, and more closely resembles the comic take. If not, then Flashpoint that shit.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
I'd be okay for less of the BVS version of Eisenberg-Lex.
But if you can get just the right ratios of some sort of Sorkin-Zuckerberg-Eisenberg-Lex amalgamation, I think I would enjoy that.
And no Jolly ranchers or granny's pee-pee tea talk either.
Unless they're green apple, i'm all right with those.
But if you can get just the right ratios of some sort of Sorkin-Zuckerberg-Eisenberg-Lex amalgamation, I think I would enjoy that.
And no Jolly ranchers or granny's pee-pee tea talk either.
Unless they're green apple, i'm all right with those.
Tom Nook
Member
Correct. Lex vs Supes should be a Brawn vs Brains battle.
Eisenberg is fine for the role. Just don't make Lex out to be a mumbling, insecure idiot like he was in BvS. Lex needs to be cocksure, witty, and greedy.
It works well when they make him a physically capable human, and despite being the strongest/smartest/richest/most powerful human, knowing Superman could still destroy him on a whim.
That's not to say they couldn't potentially have done something interesting with Eisenberg. The character was poorly written and the scenes were poorly directed. Luthor should be ego-driven, calculated and pushing boundaries of sanity, not goofy and unhinged.
Edit: I agree on the Lexosuit though. There are far more interesting ways of him being a threat.
broncobuster
Banned
Yes. I know some love his purple and green battle suit but it's so...lame. You have a schemer whose master plan is to physically punch Superman to death. And it's bizarre when in many of these instances, Luthor has drone bots that do the same without putting himself in danger.
An Elseworld Lex Luthor made in the 2000s? Maybe after the Elseworld Joker movie.
maximum360
Member
No truer words have been said.
Jason Frost
Member
Underrated post.
A Lex Luthor with depth and nuance, as opposed to an overly-hammy, cartoonish caricature...something which I feel all three of the cinematic Luthors we've had so far have had in common.
EDIT: I don't want to be that asshat who touts his opinions as facts and is all like "Everyone's favoured interpretation of this character is wrong! This is what the character should be!". That's just how I feel on the subject of Luthor. No worries if anyone else feels differently.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
If true, I won't miss him in the slightest..
It's not impossible if he had a small supporting role which I'm assuming is the case.
On the other hand we haven't heard about any actors being cast in new roles (like Star Trek Beyond) as far as I'm aware so if they were to cut Luther from the film it was probably a pretty inconsequential role to the plot.
Eh. We'll see soon enough.
On the other hand we haven't heard about any actors being cast in new roles (like Star Trek Beyond) as far as I'm aware so if they were to cut Luther from the film it was probably a pretty inconsequential role to the plot.
Eh. We'll see soon enough.
CaptainofIndustry
Member
Yes, yes, yes. Please. Even if he is already a Jr. , bring in a better actor to play his father, and never let Eisenberg near the DC movie universe again.
I'd be okay for less of the BVS version of Eisenberg-Lex.
But if you can get just the right ratios of some sort of Sorkin-Zuckerberg-Eisenberg-Lex amalgamation, I think I would enjoy that.
And no Jolly ranchers or granny's pee-pee tea talk either.
Unless they're green apple, i'm all right with those.
That's what I thought for sure we were gonna get, the social network is the perfect lex.
SparkleMotion
Member
This is art. It has merit.
What is going on in this scene?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Gene Hackman was fantastic in the role and was a great rendition of the goofy golden age Lex. But I agree that that's not really what we need out of that character anymore. In another universe, Dwayne Johnson would have been the perfect candidate for live-action TAS Lex.
But if he doesn't return as Sinestro (and he won't, obviously), Mark Strong would be a good replacement as papa Lex. Just say that Eisenberg was stabbed in prison and Lex Senior comes back out of his retreat in the Himalayas or something.
While we're at it, fake Joker Leto is also killed in prison during the same riot and the real Joker comes back. Turns out Leto was Jason Todd the whole time! Thank you, thank you.
But if he doesn't return as Sinestro (and he won't, obviously), Mark Strong would be a good replacement as papa Lex. Just say that Eisenberg was stabbed in prison and Lex Senior comes back out of his retreat in the Himalayas or something.
While we're at it, fake Joker Leto is also killed in prison during the same riot and the real Joker comes back. Turns out Leto was Jason Todd the whole time! Thank you, thank you.
Eisenberg's Luthor feeding an uncomfortable government official a jellybean because eccentric.
DOWN
Banned
Lets not act like Marvel is asking for the same kind of drama of their cast that DC is trying to pull off
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
hahahaha
SparkleMotion
Member
Is it supposed to be, like...intimidating? Or funny?
Ragnorok64
Member
Shouldn't his reflection be over Supes' crotch at their relative elevations?....Nah, man...one day, I just want to see a Lex Luthor akin to something like this on screen:
This confused me as well. Seemed like a waste of a Mercy. Though not as big as a waste as Jimmy.
I genuinely have no idea. It's been a year and a half, and I have no clue what the fucking tone of that scene was supposed to be.
CloudyTuba
Member
Best thing they could do with the character would be to run with the Junior thing and have his dad come back into the picture and take the reigns.
That's basically what they were planning with the Green Goblin after ASM2. Harry was the Goblin in that movie but Norman was going to make his return in the next movie since Harry sucked. They never got that far though.
That's basically what they were planning with the Green Goblin after ASM2. Harry was the Goblin in that movie but Norman was going to make his return in the next movie since Harry sucked. They never got that far though.
PIMPBYBLUD
Member
This...he was miscast. He would have been better as Riddler
PHOENIXZERO
Member
He did his best Gene Hackman Lex impression as Routh did his best Reeve Clark/Superman one.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
He was already Jr.
Ain't no shame
JigglesBunny
Banned
If only the world could be so kind but this is probably not true.
He seems pretty essential to the story they're telling here.
He seems pretty essential to the story they're telling here.