Always-honest
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Pikimin 3 and NSMB looked pretty clean. But lego looked godawefull jaggy.
Please... tackle them jaggies devs and Nintendo
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RUMOUR: Wii U specs leaked?
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Pikimin 3 and NSMB looked pretty clean. But lego looked godawefull jaggy.
Please... tackle them jaggies devs and Nintendo
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I really don't get that. 4xAA should be nearly free with 32MB edram. Combined with that AC3 dev comment makes me think that something is badly botched on the CPU and/or GPU end with WiiU, and while it has lots more memory than the current consoles it maybe doesn't outpace them as much in computing area.
Alternatively (and I can't speak for this first-hand) the dev kits didn't include final-final hardware until recently. Who knows if these titles were developed with access to the EDRam at all?
Wouldn't matter. There aren't TV's with a DD/DTS encoder in them that I'm aware, and Wii U only outputs PCM (don't want to pay for licensing) assuming these specs are complete.
What few TV's exist that can output discrete surround via optical from the input side of things only support DD and DTS bitstreams as far as I know.
yep
It works because PS3 and 360 can bitstream DD/DTS via HDMI. These sorts of units (in this price range at least) do not have DD/DTS encoders inside them. The ones that do advertise that fact.
The problem is optical Tx/Rx was not designed to support the bandwidth necessary for discrete multi-channel LPCM. And even of a device like this could downsample the channels (to unlistenable levels) so there was enough bandwidth ... the DSP sitting behind the optical Rx wouldn't know what to do with it since it's not expecting that sort of content.
So unless the Wii U specs are simply missing the fact it really has DD/DTS encoding ... this won't work.
Paracelsus
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Batman looked godawfully jaggy as well, not the best way to sell me a console.
Aren't those 2 open world games, so I expect it would look a bit rough around the edges.
Flying_Phoenix
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The Wii U has been a mixed bag so far.
Take these two screenshots for instance:
You can see that the texture here is pretty good. Specifically the ground texture it looks The Witcher 2 quality. And no this isn't a bullshit watch the trailer.
However you also get something like this:
Which looks like a downloadable Xbox 360 game.
However all in all I think that so far its pretty clear that the Wii U is at most marginally more powerful than the Xbox 360 or PS3.
Take these two screenshots for instance:
You can see that the texture here is pretty good. Specifically the ground texture it looks The Witcher 2 quality. And no this isn't a bullshit watch the trailer.
However you also get something like this:
Which looks like a downloadable Xbox 360 game.
However all in all I think that so far its pretty clear that the Wii U is at most marginally more powerful than the Xbox 360 or PS3.
Always-honest
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no, indeed. Why are they ignoring this IMPORTANT aspect of the visuals?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Maybe. Pikmin 3 does seem to have some kind of selective AA though. Maybe a post process AA, not sure.
http://i.minus.com/d7UmriCqo219U/ME3050029612_2.jpg
We're talking about people who own receivers that do not have HDMI audio support ... which is a fair percentage of the userbase.
Discreet multi-channel PCM cannot be transmitted via optical.
There wouldn't be any sound effects then
Those are generated in real-time, mixed with the soundtrack, and then encoded into a lossy bitstream (or passed as LPCM). So no, that can't work in a game environment - only for media.
For the resolution, it was a given that most of the titles will run at 720p, i talked about that in march:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36144655&postcount=4991
Otherwise, there will be AA, no doubt about that, if there isn't any on the showfloor demo (we need confirmation on that), it's explainable, and not by a lack of capabilities.
You can see the individual polys on that Boss creature. Why aren't they using tessellation? There's no bump mapping or normal mapping either. Very worrying.
Always-honest
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Thank god.
So how is it explainable?
maybe because the game was initially made for Wii?. But yeah.. the Wii-U is capable of much more.
In development titles dont have all the bells and whistles. We have gotten very used to the bullshot presentation most developers do these days.
That lego picture for instance if that was Ubisoft or other major studios they would have cleaned it up to maximum bullshot status
JoshuaJSlone
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The Wii U has been a mixed bag so far.
Take these two screenshots for instance:
You can see that the texture here is pretty good. Specifically the ground texture it looks The Witcher 2 quality. And no this isn't a bullshit watch the trailer.
However you also get something like this:
Which looks like a downloadable Xbox 360 game.
However all in all I think that so far its pretty clear that the Wii U is at most marginally more powerful than the Xbox 360 or PS3.
It's not like the textures in that second one are bad; it's a different aesthetic.
Yeah, but honestly it's about time I move up to a new receiver.
I bought my current one in the early GameCube days.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Wii suffered from "we don't give a shit" development practices.
The best Wii games, be it a Galaxy game, or Skyward Sword, or even something like Red Steel 2, looked obviously better than a Gamecube game. Or a comparably designed PS2 game. Xbox is debatable due to the different shader technology.
Most games on the Wii looked as if they were thrown together using leftover GC engines and tools.
Though I'd say, given that the tech in this console is more in line with what everyone uses, there's no reason why finished, polished games shouldn't look better than PS360 if the power is indeed there.
The question, as always, is whether 3rd parties will give a shit.
Pikmin3 just use lot of DoF, but 720p no AA like lot of other WiiU games
SpacePirate Ridley
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The Wii U has been a mixed bag so far.
Take these two screenshots for instance:
You can see that the texture here is pretty good. Specifically the ground texture it looks The Witcher 2 quality. And no this isn't a bullshit watch the trailer.
However you also get something like this:
Which looks like a downloadable Xbox 360 game.
However all in all I think that so far its pretty clear that the Wii U is at most marginally more powerful than the Xbox 360 or PS3.
Its funny becuase you took the game that looks good, and the game that looks a fucking atrocious jaggiefest and you mixed them.
The art of P-100 fucks all over the lego game, the soft lightining, the particle effects and set pieces (the boss destroys the whole city in real time) and the high IQ trumps all over the jaggifest city of lego, detailed textures or not.
Most of these Wii U games look like they are using left over Wii engines and tools.
Well I'm an audio/video-phile ... so I'm already there (it's worse than that ... I'm on my 2nd gen receiver in my living room that supports HDMI audio ... have one in my bedroom ... and have a pre/pro for the dedicated home theater that I also plan to replace in a year or too
).I'm just trying to be realistic as far as J6P is concerned even if I find the notion ridiculous
The simple fact they have never supported digital (and therefore discrete) audio up until the point it comes 'free' with the video though is pretty telling. That it also is half-baked, while not surprising, is pretty telling as well.
Yep. P-100 actually looks pretty nice once you realize everything is supposed to look like it's made out of plastic.
Probably cuz Retro wasn't allowed to present what they are working on.
Genius strategy. At least 1 indisputably beautiful next-gen title should have been shown. Other than 3rd party ports which are identical to current gen, everything shown could have been done on the Wii and I wonder if they didn't at one point actually just plan on a Wii capable of HD graphics and these games started on such a machine. :/
the visual showcaes weren't there, because they don't release in the launch window.
And by the way, you took the absolute best games on a technical side of the 360 and the PS3 to prove your point. These are Launch games on not 10 times more powerful hardware unlike the 360 in 2005, so it is no problem they can't compete with the technical showcase titles of the current gen consoles which are heavy optimized.
fse
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Halo 4 is a ridiculous comparison, honestly. Try this:
Wii U is launching this year not 2005. People will compare it to current games.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yea its actually quite disturbing people are getting aesthetics and actual graphics confused notsureifserious.jpg all up in this bitch.
gamergirly
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It's possible that they were going to release some more games on Wii but decided to bring it over to Wii U. My guess is they didnt want to end up having a bare bones 2 years after launch
*whoosh*
I think his point was the comparism to the last generation, o here the comparism of PDZ to X-Box, GCN and PS2 games and it was a no jump, although the 360 was a true 10 times generational leap in power.
The WiiU in the other side is a 2-3 times leap in power, so comparin it Launch games to the technical showcase of PS360 late in their life cycle is unfair on every level.
As I said in the WUST thread, Nintendo has to show something on par with the best the HD twins offer, or a very large chunk of the gaming audience is just not going to give a shit. They are going to see Xbox 360 games and Wii U games and say, ok my money goes to Xbox 360 and Kinect.
MrCunningham
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Well, everyone says it will be in the AMD r7xx series. But that is a pretty vague answer, it could mean anything between a Radeon 4350 to a Radeon 4890. Though my guess is that it would fall somewhere in between a 4350 and 4730 in terms of performance (Though I have no actual idea).
Yeah, 512mbs would be a bit too much for a console OS. It's not like they will be running Windows XP on this thing.
Yeah, the ram pool looks pretty good (if true). But I wonder how it will be distributed through out the console? How much will the OS get? And will the Wii U controller have its own RAM? Or will it subsidize the Wii U's own RAM for its own use?
Uhh.... It's a Nintendo console. They've always cheapened out on internal storage.
Actually 10gb's is a lot by their standards. More than I was expecting it to have, anyway.
Black-Wind
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Exactly.
IDK what's going on with Nintendo but I surely wouldn't think that it's too much to ask for one game of that level to be shown.
Hell, I would take the Zelda Tech Demo turned into a small controllable boss fight using GC TP controls as better proof for what this thing can do than any of the shown titles.
I'm sure the Retro Game will be very comparable to the best the HD twins have to offer, but somehow it wasn't shown although it could have. Also the 3D Mario game will blow us away, look at the galaxy games on the freaking wii, the guy at EAD Tokio are wizards.
This E3, Nintendo clearly wasn't behind the hardcore, at least not with theit conference. Maybe they will show a trailer to Retros game at the Roundtable, but i doubt it.
For the Hardcore there are Pikmin 3 and Project P-100, also ZombiU. But these games are more for interesting gameplay, not for the graphix
so what position did you hold on the Wii U engineering staff?
Well that's just ridiculous and not true.
Isn't he the lead engineer? It would explain why he's obviously so knowledgeable about the Wii U specs.
This E3 was about Nintendo showing us how they can make IOS looking games. :/
Glorified G
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Up to 3GB of main memory (CAT-DEVs only). Note: retail machine will have half devkit memory
Green Yoshi
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There's a nice PC version of Batman: Arkham City with Direct X 11 support. This version should be ported to WiiU.
Basileus777
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It's not like Wii U is some strange new configuration that is vastly different from PS360. You can't really compare the stuff to launch games for PS360.
a Master Ninja
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I didn't realize you could buy a receiver in the past 4 years that doesn't support HDMI. You fucked up.
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