Shin Johnpv
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Maybe they'll wise up and release something like the 360 had, where the toslink was on certain cable outs instead of on the console, otherwise it's time to upgrade the receiver.
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RUMOUR: Wii U specs leaked?
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Maybe they'll wise up and release something like the 360 had, where the toslink was on certain cable outs instead of on the console, otherwise it's time to upgrade the receiver.
statham
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insane price for MS HD, but at launch, you couldn't install any retail or download any retail games and the biggest XBLA game was 60mb. Not defending MS prices, but at launch 20gb got you pretty far.
But I just bought it last Christmas :\
Yeah I bought that optical dongle thing that connects to the AV slots of the Xbox. That's what I'm hoping will happen with Wii U.
Relaxed Muscle
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Looking at those specs and then the games showed today I can understand the graphics on most titles. Except textures that looked quite good on some games looks like 360 and PS3 graphics.
Sho_Nuff82
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Most multiplatform games allow for higher framerates and AA on PC though.
Always-honest
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In your mind maybe. I hated how that game looked with its horrible art direction and god awefull plastic bumpmapping and tiling everywhere.
I was not a fan... but i can see how people got wowed.
Like they got wowed by Pamela Anderson.
Well, a lot of that's the result of brute force, but I was being sarcastic. The Witcher 2 on 360 looked very nice, but no one in their right mind would use that as an example of PCs not being much more powerful. It's all in whether or not that power is used or not.
I'm not saying anything new, but judging a console's capabilities before it even launches really isn't possible.
EricDiesel
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I agree. Kameo looks muddy and awful by today's standards.
They're not. They're legit, albeit outdated. Sure the conference didn't show it, but it was a garbage conference anyway.
It has a "suspend mode" feature, like your handhelds do - as well as some resident things that run all the time in the background. This will be far more common on all 8th gen consoles.
He probably meant it won't play in SubHD on the Wii U.
I'd say it's time to start saving if you're expecting optical audio on some of the other next gen products lol. HDMI's the way to go.
Panasonic Q?
walking fiend
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like GTA?
Just comparing early gen stuff with late gen stuff should show how much becoming familiar with systems and being able to optimize code can do wonders...
also, no one to answer me?
Metalmurphy
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But they do run and look better regardless, so yeah...
Damon Bennet
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like GTA?
Just comparing early gen stuff with late gen stuff should show how much becoming familiar with systems and being able to optimize code can do wonders...
also, no one to answer me?
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Grampa Simpson
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I buy 3 a month or so. Bottom end is $999, and it has 64 gigs of flash, $1199 or $1299 for 128gig (like you suggested - difference here is the 11" or 13" screen - and why would you buy an 11" laptop?) and $1599 for 256gig - $1699 if you bump it for the higher end processor - which you should if you're already paying for the almost top end.
On this basis, it's $300 for 128gig of quality flash, which is what you suggested in your post.
EDIT: Ah, my mistake, not you, but some other poster. You're still wrong.
I think the grass was really impressive. In fact, I don't remember such a thing even in other games.
Kameo is strange. Looks stunning in some areas, bad in others (especially some character models). Nonetheless one of my favorite Rare games.
It's still interesting how we still don't know much about the specs.
Not everyone has an HDMI receiver and would still like discrete surround sound ... or even hell, digital audio given the shit DAC's incorporated in most consoles.
Think about it. PS2 had digital audio, and Xbox even had discrete digital audio (DD). Gamecube? Analog. This gen both 360 and PS3 had discrete digital audio. Wii? Analog.
This will be the 3rd generation in a row where a good portion of their audience will not have discrete surround let alone digital audio.
Ugh. same.
You could always buy one of these HDMI>HDMI switches with optical out. I have one and it works great.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2#description
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2#description
They seems to be legit
For example, here what i've heard about the flash memory, and i revealed it for the first time a few weeks ago then confirmed it after, and it's the same as those specs:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38001100&postcount=14359
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38012220&postcount=14967
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38455133&postcount=12497
NOTA BENE: they are target specs. The flash memory status was still relevant in the v4 dev kits, used from December/January to April/May. Don't know if Nintendo increased the flash size in the "v5", mass production dev kits, that replaced the previous ones since May (grain of salt for all the supplying date).
And more generally, as these are early target specs, the actual hardware (for the GPU obviously as it has been highly customized) is different for certain components now.
For example, here what i've heard about the flash memory, and i revealed it for the first time a few weeks ago then confirmed it after, and it's the same as those specs:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38001100&postcount=14359
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38012220&postcount=14967
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38455133&postcount=12497
NOTA BENE: they are target specs. The flash memory status was still relevant in the v4 dev kits, used from December/January to April/May. Don't know if Nintendo increased the flash size in the "v5", mass production dev kits, that replaced the previous ones since May (grain of salt for all the supplying date).
And more generally, as these are early target specs, the actual hardware (for the GPU obviously as it has been highly customized) is different for certain components now.
Perfect Dark looks like a piece of shit compared to what is out today. We've come a long way for sure on this same console.
Frankenstrat
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Come on, Retro. Make this baby sing.
shinra-bansho
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Someone who speaks tech translate the OP for me please...
walking fiend
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1.3 x 360, apparently
We already had it defined in DragonballZ terms. It was perfect.
Cygnus X-1
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No. lol
The original architecture of the Wii U GPU is entirely based on the r700 series. The specs on the Cafe SDK PDF is almost copied+pasted piecemeal from ATI's spec sheets on that series.
The end GPU is customized to a degree, however.
Palette Swap
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Thank you.
Another thing to note is that DD (decoding) is mandatory for both DVD Video and BR players and DTS for BR players.
The issue here isn't so much the hardware people own as Nintendo half assing that side of things as they've been doing forever.
Plus, we're talking about an industry that's been supporting RF output forever...
Does your source have any estimates of raw power?
From what we can see, the WiiU games look like PS360 titles (regular, not the uber polished AAA PS3 exclusives like uncharted or las of us) and are Launch titles for the system. This is a good sign for me, that the WiiU is more powerful than those consoles, I'm sure we will be blown away on a graphics side when the EAD Tokyo and Retro games show up (Fall Conference maybe).
Pikmin is an upport from the Wii and looks very good for what it is, Mario also looks nice, but more from an Art perspective. Technically it looks solid. Lego imo looks good too, but it needs some AA. And even the Nintendoland graphics don't seem to be crap. Trine looks just amazing.
Overall from my point of view, the IQ of the WiiU games is quite high.
So I don't see a problem for later WiiU games to technically outclass the best PS360 games, and downports from Orbis/Durango should also be possible, but here is the problem if developers / publishers want to make a WiiU Version, what I seriously doubt, but it shouldn't fail on the tech side imo.
Pikmin is an upport from the Wii and looks very good for what it is, Mario also looks nice, but more from an Art perspective. Technically it looks solid. Lego imo looks good too, but it needs some AA. And even the Nintendoland graphics don't seem to be crap. Trine looks just amazing.
Overall from my point of view, the IQ of the WiiU games is quite high.
So I don't see a problem for later WiiU games to technically outclass the best PS360 games, and downports from Orbis/Durango should also be possible, but here is the problem if developers / publishers want to make a WiiU Version, what I seriously doubt, but it shouldn't fail on the tech side imo.
I'd imagine it is BluRay. I'm not aware of any competing formats that are different enough to avoid a majority of the licensing fees. So there wouldn't be much of a savings?
Just remember, while there are some licensing fees associated with a BD-ROM, they aren't much at all. Where it gets pricier is when you license the portfolio for movie playback (broad licensing portfolio that includes BD-J, audio/video codecs, etc). Obviously it's not including that.
Stereo sound through tiny shit speakers. Wow ... so awesome.
Dash Kappei
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You can get an HDMI switcher (not splitter, that costs more) with 4 inputs and one HDMI out plus optical audio out for like $50 and be ok. You'll obviously pick up only the compressed DD/DTS core stream if it's in uncompressed audio in DD True HD or DTS HD/Master Audio. For multichannel LPCM the games will obviously sport a compressed DD or DTS audio track option as well, like for some PS3 games.
Also, it works like the old Xbox digital cable it seems. It says it supports Nintendo-D which will probably be a cable with HDMI video +optical audio out.
Yes, USB2 and SD support for expanding storage
Mithos
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But will the sound carried over HDMI be of a format the reciver I have can understand, I mean will games on Wii U have DD/DTS or only have LPCM sound?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
No chance they'll be in LPCM multichannel only, 0% chance.
Also, instead of a switcher you could probably just buy the Nintendo-D cable.
Lord Error
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Texture filtering certainly looked good (from the crappy video I watched), but I was surprised to read that most of the footage was 720p with no AA. It was like that last E3 when they showed Zelda demo etc, and I just don't understand why that would be so.
mclaren777
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I see what you did there.
Nope. Two points here:
1) The vast majority of TV's cannot act as a pass through for bitstream audio out of their digital output due to where it's located in the processing chain. It's actually meant for bitstreaming from the ATSC tuner. Audio from the inputs has already been down-converted to stereo before it ever gets to the outputs (though in the case of HDMI, it wouldn't even need to be down-converted since the EDID handshake would request stereo from the Wii U anyway).
2) There's a bigger point here however. Take a closer look at the audio specs. Notice anything missing? That's right ... there is no bistream encoding listed at all (Dolby Digital, DTS, whatever). Apparently Nintendo didn't want to pay for the licensing ... again. So even if there was an optical or coax digital output on the Wii U, you won't have discrete surround. Sort of explains the lack of digital output doesn't it. It would still be nice to have digital since the DAC's are garbage, but Nintendo obviously doesn't give a shit.
So due to the 2nd point, even if you did have a TV that could pass through bitstreams ... it still wouldn't matter. You'd need a TV that actually had a built-in discrete encoder (DD, DTS, etc) and had the capability to use the discrete PCM channels from the HDMI. That doesn't exist, and for a variety of reasons never will. How would the EDID handshake even work? It can't know you have optical hooked up. Beyond that, what's the audience for something like this?
Thanks for the link!
I mean, though there will be some customization, it certainly sounds competent enough to be deemed "next gen" I think. I'm no hardware tech maven or anything, but all that sounds pretty good.
In regards to what's important to a videogame console, what customizations do you think they would make?
I'm in agreement with others here that (as in all things) it will be up to the developer to make the most of it all.
I detailed this many times on the Wii U speculation threads, search by nickname since the second one.
But i would say roughly 2x Xbox360. 3X with first-party magic, further optimizations of SDK, middleware, etc.
It's considering an intensive use of the Gamepad screen. Basically, all my sources were able to render a Xbox360+++ game on the TV (+++ = real 720p, more AA, more texture filtering, more effects due to the more modern GPU architecture, etc.) + an intricate 3D scene (not just an inventory), often another view of what the TV displays, on the controller screen.
So it's solid, performances wise. Not a full generational leap, not a souped up xbox 360 either, it's a nice stop gap, with in addition, some stretching possible of the system power, thanks to its asymmetrical nature. Read: developers could focus on the TV and avoid intricate usage of the Gamepad, to free up a lot of resources (as it's pretty taxing from what i've heard) and taking advantage of that for what is rendered on the main screen.
Here's some infos about the Wii U storage situation:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-zombiu/731244
The E3 Nintendo website is still pretty vague on that, i hope we'll hear more about this subject soon, as it's pretty important for their digital distribution policy, all games available digitally on day one, etc.
HDMI can handle 5.1 discreet PCM channels, I don't think there's much need to license DD or DTS for real-time mixing over HDMI.
Horse Armour
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Wow, looks like every single Nintendo Wii U game shown this year and last E3 run at 720p, no AA. Pikmin, Lego City, the Zelda tech demo, NSMB Wii U.
If this thing has 32MB eDRAM it should be trivial to add AA to 3 of those titles (not including Zelda) since they would hardly be pushing the 360 nevermind the Wii U which is supposed to be more powerful.
If this thing has 32MB eDRAM it should be trivial to add AA to 3 of those titles (not including Zelda) since they would hardly be pushing the 360 nevermind the Wii U which is supposed to be more powerful.
shinra-bansho
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Could someone who speaks DragonballZ translate please...
Mithos
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Yes, but can my receiver without a HDMI input handle that soundsignal?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
It won't need a real time encoder on board if the game sports a simple lossy DD track, nor to pay any license fees.
He's referring to people wanting discreet multichannel audio on receivers lacking HDMI inputs.
JoshuaJSlone
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It's more of a feature list. Without more concrete details like actual speed of the processors, could be .01 to 100.
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