uh, then don't get it.
"I don't want to buy a 3DS to play this game."
okay? No one is forcing you.
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Sakamoto: Want more 2D Metroid? Buy Samus Returns
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uh, then don't get it.
"I don't want to buy a 3DS to play this game."
okay? No one is forcing you.
Nintendo did a very good job of undermining the sales by releasing this game this late in the 3DS lifespan. I was clamoring for a 2D Metroid on the 3DS five years ago. Do not even start the narrative that the fans or AM2R are somehow to blame for Metroids horrible mismanagement. It is squarely on Nintendo and nobody else. Also a bit to early to jump to the conclusion that this remake will be better than AM2R.
DecoReturns
Member
Sounds like he pulled an iwata and saved the project.
And now I want an iwata Ask for Samus Returns
I'm not going to buy it. I would have bought it if it were on Switch. I think there are plenty of folks like me, and Nintendo is missing out on sales by not offering on their main, current platform. Too bad, it's their loss.
Yep.
Though this part of the article seems wrong.
I don't remember him being involved with Federation Force in any capacity, for example.
Triforce141
Member
I think Sakamoto wasn't involved with any Prime games outside of a Special Thanks
I'm sure Nintendo makes games just to please fans and not because they project those games will make money./s
Seriously,
I remembered something about him advising for the first Prime, but I might be wrong.
If the gameplay shown for Samus Returns is like that in the whole game then it already is better and i played AM2R alot.
It just needs a couple of new sections or a new sequence in the game like Zero Mission to top it imo.
But ultimately we will see when the game is out in September how it fares against AM2R truly.
Ha, I meant that I don't own a 3DS but I have (foolishly) ordered the CE. As such (/s) I feel my copy should count double at least.
Perhaps not (although I did hear horror stories about LOS 2's development). Regardless, the Lords of Shadow series was developed by Mercury Steam, and they weren't great, so yeah, not a great track record at all. Developers have to have some accountability for the products they create, regardless of the circumstances, no?
So Next Level Games is a shitty developer then for their third party offerings?
Nintendo can (and often does) bring out the best in smaller developers. I'm open minded enough to see how this goes. Plus, it's 2D Metroid, which is something I've been clamoring for since I finished Zero Mission.
No. Mercury Steam just hasn't proven themselves yet, IMO. Netflix: Samus Returns could be great in spite of them, or because of them, IDK.
Eolz
Member
I can understand that.
I bought the CE of Drakengard 3 despite having no PS3 at the time.
If people don't buy Metroid, they have no reason to make Metroid.
Fair enough but if people don't want to buy a game there is usually a very good reason for that. In this case if the game fails for whatever reason it wont be because the fans are ungrateful or Nintendo did nothing wrong. If the title bombs that will be entirely Nintendo's fault. They are the ones responsible for managing and mismanaging the I.P.
Well at least until 13 years pass and they decide to give it another try.
There is the possibility that people just aren't that interested in Metroid at all to consider, regardless of the work Nintendo puts in. Even when they were treating it as royalty throughout the 2000s, it wasn't exactly making other big series quake in their boots whenever it dropped a new entry.
The last time they made a Metroid game like this it tanked, and that was a great game. Can't blame Nintendo for being reticent to try again.
AM2R isn't to blame, but many fans act like Nintendo stole the idea from AM2R and/or came to the immediate conclusion that AM2R is a superior game. While it's to early to declare either way, AM2R is a good but overrated game below the standards of games like Super, Zero Mission, and Fusion.
Also, based on what we've seen so far, quite a lot more effort is being put into this game. For example:
The maps are far more expanded and detailed than AM2R's. Area 4 is a huge difference. And the maps from Samus Returns are incomplete and will be even bigger when completed.
AM2R just recreates this room, while Samus Returns adds world-building details such as the chozo statue that implies the spider ball upgrade once sat on it but fell off and rolled into crevice where you find it.
https://gfycat.com/WellgroomedWarlikeGrayling
AM2R ruins this scene, Samus Returns does it right.
Things are looking good.
Direction is extremely important. The most talented team in the world can turn out shit if they are directed to or not given the proper direction. What Mercury Steam has shown is that they are competent developers who are have some experience making games similar to this type, and with Nintendo directing them they can turn out something great.
foxuzamaki
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This started out as a pitch by mercury stream to work on the 3DS version after they were denied to also work on a HD version, switch obviously was not in the plans at the time, they probably havent even been personally shown a design of the switch at the time, and they were still very clearly releasing 3DS games at the time with the 3DS even to this day having pretty respectable sales.
They treated Metroid like royalty because both Prime and Fusion sold well. It's like how Nintendo treated Fire Emblem post-Awakening, despite it being nowhere near the highest selling game on the 3DS.
The question is if it's possible to catch those sales again.
rochellepaws
Member
Late in the cycle is usually an excellent time to release a game since the highest number of people own the system. GTA V and The Last of Us were released on PS3 in the same year as PS4 launched and were huge critical and sales successes, DQXI is doing similar in Japan at the moment on 3DS. I don't think this is a valid excuse in the eventuality that Metroid fails.
Eolz
Member
I kind of agree and disagree with you.
IP was badly managed (even if Nintendo always wanted to expand its audience), but there's nothing indicating so far that this is worth skipping.
This is a remake of Metroid 2 that fans wanted since a long time, this is 2D gameplay, this hasn't a terrible artstyle turning people off from the start (Federation Force would have gotten a way better reception without the chibi, look at Prime Hunters, or ODST for Halo), and it isn't looking progressively worse or worrying after reveal (like Other M).
Even with a fantastic fan remake available out there, Nintendo isn't doing weird stuff with it.
There's still a wide 3DS userbase, and I doubt they are expecting a ton of sales for a series that was always underwhelming on that side, and for a remake.
They will definitely expect a lot from Prime 4 though, especially after the fan reactions of the announcement, and previous Prime sales numbers...
I hate being pessimistic about it, but I feel like that the Fusion/Prime combo is going to be really tough to top, since they were not only able to capitalize on the whole "it's been eight years!" hype that got people interested, but Prime was released at an especially good time as it was able to ride the wave of interest that Halo was responsible for in getting console players to embrace FPSs more than they had in the past. And the whole "holy shit, did you see the reviews this thing got?!?" aspect didn't hurt, either. The former has some merit even now, but even Halo ain't Halo these days.
Not the same circumstances. Both Last of Us and GTA V were released before PS4 launched, and we're also brought to that system in short order.
The original Metroid was initially developed by new Nintendo employees Hiroji Kiyotake (also the character designer of Samus and creator of Wario) and Hirofumi Matsuoka (with the programming done by Intelligent Systems) who were told by management to make "a sci-fi shooting game". The game was originally conceived as a sci-fi run & gun shooter called "Space Hunter", but the game wasn't going well and the rest of the Nintendo R&D1 department was called to salvage the project. It was Yoshio's Sakamoto idea to make the game non-linear and focused on exploration.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Nice
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So yeah if the sales are low are people gonna bitch again like those Star Foz idiota blaming Krystal even though she wasn't in Zero?
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Put it on the portable device Nintendo is supporting for the next 5+ years and I'll buy it there. Otherwise, I can't.
I sure hope nobody is convinced Star Fox Zero sold poorly because nobody wanted Star Fox.
Mate if it doesn't sell it isn't gonna be made
LordKasual
Banned
Buy Samus Returns?
Sure, as soon as you release it on something that's not a fucking 3DS
I bought a Switch now, you could at least port it, it has a touch screen
why is it not on Switch
it just fucking came out
Sure, as soon as you release it on something that's not a fucking 3DS
I bought a Switch now, you could at least port it, it has a touch screen
why is it not on Switch
it just fucking came out
Uh...maybe because they started making this like 2 years ago when switch was just the nx that no one knew anything about.
Ya know, I remember leaving several gaming forums and comments sections of gaming websites years ago, and just sticking to Gaf. A lot of y'all are just as miserable of people as the rest though. It's kind of pathetic reading through a lot of this stuff really.
Gaming is supposed to be fun. Why has it become so terrible to just enjoy a fun game? Why is it so hard to to move on to something else if it isn't fun? It's like a rarity to enter a thread and it not turn into a complete shitfest now.
Gaming is supposed to be fun. Why has it become so terrible to just enjoy a fun game? Why is it so hard to to move on to something else if it isn't fun? It's like a rarity to enter a thread and it not turn into a complete shitfest now.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's a reference on how apparently Krystal ruined Star Fox. I don't like her too but people point that she's the cause of the problems apparently.
Reminds me of that Courage gif where a baby Muriel keeps on crying about the "thing" until finally after getting the perfect item, says "she doesn't want it".
LordKasual
Banned
port it
Super Metroid > Nothing for 8 years > Releasing 2 Metroid games on the same day > Oversaturate the brand for 8 years then finish it off with the worst game in series history by a mile, then release a shitty looking spin-off 6 years later hoping everyone will love it, but it tanks badly.
And that's not even getting into the finer details of why each game along the way failed in one fashion or another
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
Because
The sales potential is dramatically lower on a console that just came out this year compared to one that has multiple times more units out there.
Green Mamba
Member
Nobody blamed Krystal for Zero, what the heck are you talking about?
Metroid's been relatively poorly handled lately but at the very least most of the titles released after Super were highly rated games that people actually wanted, which you can't say at all for StarFox post 64 outside of a single remake.
StarFox is the king of mishandled Nintendo franchises. A comedy of errors, one false step after the other.
DecoReturns
Member
Metroid doesn't come nearly as close.
I don't why you spout nonsense when it comes to Metroid.
To be fair, Star Fox Zero is basically the Other M of Star Fox. A new high budget game in a long-running series, spearheaded by a legendary Nintendo personality and developed by a lauded third party action game developer, is a financial failure marred by a bizarre and unwieldy control scheme nobody asked for. It's kinda comical how history repeated itself there.
But Star Fox Zero is just the latest in the comedy of errors that is Star Fox, which began with Nintendo's bizarre decision not to release Star Fox 2.
Other M is a spectacular misfire. Star Fox has been almost nothing but spectacular misfires.
People here are forgetting that Zero Mission, Prime 2 and Prime 3 were all excellent games which underperformed. And in Prime case were pretty expensive to develope.
It's not like Nintendo doesn't care. Other M tried to give the series more mass-appeal and failed miserably. But it tried.
Sales-wise Metroid is a problematic series for Nintendo. So stop looking for dumb excuses and buy Samus Returns.
It's not like Nintendo doesn't care. Other M tried to give the series more mass-appeal and failed miserably. But it tried.
Sales-wise Metroid is a problematic series for Nintendo. So stop looking for dumb excuses and buy Samus Returns.
Oversaturize? In those 8 years you got Prime 2, 3 and Zero mission, all superb games. A pinball spin off and a DS experiment arent big offenders either.
Fact is, despite its great quality, zero mission bombed. If Samus Returns bombs too, theres no hope for 2D metroid anymore and i cant fault nintendo for it, specially if it also turns a great game
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Well yeah, that's how consumerism works.
TheDinoman
Member
I'm not sure if "high budget" is how I'd describe Star Fox Zero.
The game looks graphically weak even for a Wii U game.
The problem is that there's a good argument that every game after Star Fox 64 is the Other M of the series:
"Let's slap on the IP to an unrelated adventure game that does nothing with the inherent value of the IP outside of some rote shooting stage!"
"Let's get the highly acclaimed developers of the Ace Combat series to make a Star Fox game that... largely take place on the ground."
"Let's get some of the original developers of the first game to work on a new installment... that has no rail shooting stages and has an utterly bizarre visual novel aspect that even furries found weird."
"Let's go back to the roots of the series... and make it playable only for an octopus."
Holy shit I'm dying
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