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Satoru Iwata has killed the Super Mario brand. How would you revive it?
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You could call it NSMBU
what a shitty thread. 3D world is a great game. I wish sometimes sales isn't given the weight it usually is around here. This thread being a clear example.
Nintendo has its work cut out for them that much is true shown by their bad sales. But that doesn't mean the games aren't. I have more to look forward to on Wii U than the other consoles at the moment. When PS4 has something I want I'm ready to dive in.
Nintendo has its work cut out for them that much is true shown by their bad sales. But that doesn't mean the games aren't. I have more to look forward to on Wii U than the other consoles at the moment. When PS4 has something I want I'm ready to dive in.
terrisus
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Nintendo obviously backed the wrong character in this game. Cranky Kong has been warning us all along.
We had our warning too:
That's cool. Everybody has their own opinion. SM3DL sold 8 million copies so far. Obviously people like the concept.
Nobody is buying games on the Wii U. The console itself is failing. Nothing will sell on this console. Mario Kart is going to bomb, so will DKCR2.
I'll love them, but that's the reality of the situation imo. Doesn't matter what gets released on the console if people don't want to buy the console to play the games.
scytherage
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Super Mario 3D World is an amazing game.
You finish the game and it opens up even more worlds. Most other games will just DLC you to death; this game will give you even more game as you go through it, it's fantastic. It just gives you stuff to do. It's fun to go back previous levels with friends for multiplayer. This is as 'pure' as it gets for a console game.
I hope future Mario games will always be designed this way; it's just such a creative format they can do a lot with.
So, no, the Mario brand doesn't need a revamp. The Wii U needs better marketing, that is true. But specifically, the Mario brand doesn't need to change in terms of how inventive it is with its worlds and level design. Maybe they need to focus LESS on Mario to 'help' the Wii U. But Mario itself is really so well done at this point and Mario 3D World shows it, if you have already played it (and are not just judging it based on videos/pictures)
You finish the game and it opens up even more worlds. Most other games will just DLC you to death; this game will give you even more game as you go through it, it's fantastic. It just gives you stuff to do. It's fun to go back previous levels with friends for multiplayer. This is as 'pure' as it gets for a console game.
I hope future Mario games will always be designed this way; it's just such a creative format they can do a lot with.
So, no, the Mario brand doesn't need a revamp. The Wii U needs better marketing, that is true. But specifically, the Mario brand doesn't need to change in terms of how inventive it is with its worlds and level design. Maybe they need to focus LESS on Mario to 'help' the Wii U. But Mario itself is really so well done at this point and Mario 3D World shows it, if you have already played it (and are not just judging it based on videos/pictures)
herr.bobbenhof
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i really don't get why people complain about the over usage of mario as a brand. mario platformers are totally different from mario kart which is totally different from mario party which are all different from mario and luigi. i would even argue that the 2D and 3D outings are very different from one another. all those games are in different genres, the only thing they share is the characters. and that doesn't matter for the gameplay. i'd never pass on the new mario kart because i just played mario vs. donkey kong before...
in addition, i view DK, mario, wario and even yoshi as independent franchises. yes, they all appeared in games starring the others but over time they pretty much evolved into their own thing.
using the established characters in new titles is not a bad move by nintendo. familiar faces lead to more sales so nintendo can experiment with new kind of gameplay experiences without having to fear low sales due to the introduction of a new ip.
however, i'd like to see a new ip nonetheless
p.s. i hope this post somehow gets my points across... it's pretty late here
in addition, i view DK, mario, wario and even yoshi as independent franchises. yes, they all appeared in games starring the others but over time they pretty much evolved into their own thing.
using the established characters in new titles is not a bad move by nintendo. familiar faces lead to more sales so nintendo can experiment with new kind of gameplay experiences without having to fear low sales due to the introduction of a new ip.
however, i'd like to see a new ip nonetheless
p.s. i hope this post somehow gets my points across... it's pretty late here
They like the concept for a handheld, yes.
Super Mario 3D World is absolutely a part of the console failing.
It isn't dead you're reaching, anyway Nintendo games have long legs when it comes to sales so I have no doubt that the same will happen here.
Mario sells more than Star Fox period.
For what? Nintendo is stuck with the pad and they aren't going to drop it and they can't drop the price on the system when they are taking a loss on it.
The Smash Bros bundle is properly the most useful suggestion you made and even that is hindered by the 3DS version.
Mario sells more than Star Fox period.
For what? Nintendo is stuck with the pad and they aren't going to drop it and they can't drop the price on the system when they are taking a loss on it.
The Smash Bros bundle is properly the most useful suggestion you made and even that is hindered by the 3DS version.
If you say so. /shrug
No skin off my back. I'm enjoying an amazing game.
Still stupid to say the mario brand is dead.
gamergirly
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I think the OP is confused. It's not Super Mario 3D World that needs fixing....
I don't think the Mario brand is dead, it's just not an impactful title for the North American market currently.
Iwata is lucky Yamauchi is dead because otherwise he would be the one killed.
Interceptor
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No he didn't. What is this? Shill finals?
HomerSimpson-Man
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Look, they could make a Mario game that causes spontaneous orgasms in you pants when you complete it and it will probably still won't help sell Wii U sell like the Wii.
Lee Chaolan
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Mario 64 HD would be so delicious.
I wouldn't say he "killed" the brand name. I think it's still very strong, but there needs to be some much stricter quality control from here on out. But no more of this experimental, let's try to make a console sequel to a handheld game stuff they've been doing for a while. (Yes, NSMBW sold a bajillion units, but the situation's far too different from SM3DW for me to bother explaining why)
They've already done that, G. It's called Super Mario Galaxy.
They've already done that, G. It's called Super Mario Galaxy.
SonicMegaDrive
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Mario is as good as ever. It needs no reviving to speak of.
DICKS AHOY
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give him a gun
Look at the best selling games of last month. They don't care about good games. They just want whatever is flashy.
Not enough data points to conclude brand saturation.
Aren't NSMB 2, MK7 and 3D Land (the games that saved 3DS) at 8m+? Luigi's Mansion 2 and Paper Mario: SS had impressive numbers too.
Based on reviews and Miiverse comments, people are crazy about 3D World.
There are too many factors surrounding Wii U to single out that Mario is the perpetrator.
Aren't NSMB 2, MK7 and 3D Land (the games that saved 3DS) at 8m+? Luigi's Mansion 2 and Paper Mario: SS had impressive numbers too.
Based on reviews and Miiverse comments, people are crazy about 3D World.
There are too many factors surrounding Wii U to single out that Mario is the perpetrator.
The system may be on a low point but people honestly don't seem to understand that he is just a mascot for Nintendo. Doing all of these threads on how he has doomed the company is completely biased. The numbers may look bad (and they are) but you have to understand that Nintendo knows this as well and just pointing out the obvious ain't gonna help anyone. Also, to be completely honest, the last three Mario games to come out from Nintendo have been some of the best. They weren't afraid to experiment and bring back that jazz mario had back in the old days. I think they have a huge mario project in the works to reinvigorate the franchise and 3D land was just the testing grounds for it. Just you wait, you know it'll happen.
BruiserBear
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Came here for the denial posts. Did not leave disappointed.
I think the days of Nintendo being the third home console on the market are over. There sinply aren't enough customers who want to spend $300 on another device when they already have a tablet, and a console from Sony and or Microsoft.
I think the days of Nintendo being the third home console on the market are over. There sinply aren't enough customers who want to spend $300 on another device when they already have a tablet, and a console from Sony and or Microsoft.
Partly true. People dont' want to spend 300 dollars on a console that puts out graphics like the ps3/360. For all the people who bitch about paying for online, games being put out piece meal, being broken at launch, it doesn't seem to matter in the face of nintendo's polished output, complete games at launch with little to no DLC to speak of, and when they do put out DLC it's like NSMBU.
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