Metallix87
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Wii U's online is pretty fantastic, actually.
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Satoru Iwata: Nintendo 2013 R&D Preview [Large Scale Restructure, New Miyamoto Team]
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Wii U's online is pretty fantastic, actually.
tkscz
Member
Nothing is wrong with the online infrastructure of the WiiU or 3DS. You want to play a game online? You play it. You want to play with friends? You play with friends. The system tells you when your friends are online and let's you join them from the console's friend menu.
and It's free.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Nothing is wrong with the online infrastructure of the WiiU or 3DS. You want to play a game online? You play it. You want to play with friends? You play with friends. The system tells you when your friends are online and let's you join them from the console's friend menu.
Okay. I'll email Valve and ask them to add the fantastic ID restriction to a single computer feature.
Yeah, that's the one thing I hate about the Wii U's online. Although I wouldn't be too surprised if they get rid of that shit considering they're planning to make Miiverse accessible from other devices. (either way, it's inexcusable)
They also should add a cross voice chat feature. Other than that I'm pretty okay with the online.
tkscz
Member
Because one issue ruins the whole experience.
Please be true, the thirst for some big new Nintendo IP's is unbearable (yes I know we got some new stuff like pushmo, but it's not enough).
Metallix87
Member
Isn't that being fixed when Miiverse launches on 3DS and other devices?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
You was shook huh? lol
It doesn't even make sense as a comparison. Plenty of people have several PC's, use mobile phones etc, to buy Steam games when they are out. Do you know anyone that has 2 Wii U's? No.
It'll be the same situation as with the 3DS. A transfer tool will be available when it's needed.
I tell ya, first time hurts the most.... I hope.
but yeah, it's one feature missing in an otherwise great online structure. just needs some games thought.
This is a WiiU problem, 3DS doesn't even has accounts.
Metallix87
Member
With Miiverse launching on 3DS this year, though, wouldn't the 3DS HAVE to get some way to utilize your Nintendo Network account?
Half a year away from intended completion.
It still doesn't make sense seeing as every other sane console manufacturer doesn't do this. I guess there is a defence force for everything.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
It's not a valid excuse to justify this feature.
for one:
not defending anything here, but the Wiiu is like two month old now.
take a step back and take a look at the PS3 and 360 when they where that young.
totally different systems than now.
give it . we are in a new age. OSs grow and improve nowadays, yuknow.
I don't think so because going back to to complete head to head with SONY and MS would be VERY, VERY risky.
Nintendo lost a lot of western third party support/mindshare and relationships are still a bit strained, even with the effort they are putting in to change that.
Nintendo has all but lost the hardcore gamers, apart from Nintendo fans like us. Making a gamer switch platform is a very hard thing to do. Nintendo worked hard at to succeed at it during the N64 and GameCube days and finally finished it with the Wii
Are they going to now be able to change that around?I think Nintendo are WAY too conservative in some aspects. They didn't need to make the Wii a GC 1.5. They could have modernised the system to accept ports from 360/PS3, even if it wasn't as powerful or still SD. At the same time kept it cheap and accessible for people.
With Wii U, they could have made the thing a noticeable bump over 360/PS3 by designing for a higher power usage (Say 50-60W) without breaking the bank. This I feel would have translated into a better reception amongst gamers and gaming press which feeds into more sales and more support.
I didn't justify it. I was just saying that your comparison didn't make sense.
I don't defend it. I just don't see how it's a big problem right now. When people sell consoles or they break, then it becomes an issue. That's not much of a problem one month in.
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, they likely lost a lotta sleep about that last gen when they were eating everyone's lunch
why would they be concerned at all with this? the last time they went for that was the gamecube, and we all saw how that tragically went
seriously, it's always weird to see rational people (read: not Tobor) asking for Iwata to step down
^thank you
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Sorry, I committed heresy against your supreme leader and I accept judgment.
Edit: why would they be concerned at all with this? Because Nintendo is loosing money and Wii U isn't getting attention from gamers, that's why.
IrishNinja
Member
to the latter: how exactly do you quantify "attention from gamers" and sales? if you used forums like this, the dreamcast & gamecube got infinitely more "attention" than the wii..i'd wager you could even say that with reviews (DS is another great example). you're seeing a correlation and assuming causation
to the former: ah, my bad, again i was referring to rational people/discourse which it doesnt sound like you're interested in
if you were, i'd say iwata turned the ship around & brought them record profits. 3DS stumbled & bounced back, WU might currently be stumbling in some territories but the "FIRE IWATA" camp (again, fortunately this seems to be a minority around here) is both quick on the gun and slow on the logic/reasons for such a claim
Some kind of "Wath if Valve was selling also the hardware?", for me comparision with very less sense, and repeat again "for me"
TreasureHunterG
Banned
I don't think so because going back to to complete head to head with SONY and MS would be VERY, VERY risky.
Nintendo lost a lot of western third party support/mindshare and relationships are still a bit strained, even with the effort they are putting in to change that.
Nintendo has all but lost the hardcore gamers, apart from Nintendo fans like us. Making a gamer switch platform is a very hard thing to do. Nintendo worked hard at to succeed at it during the N64 and GameCube days and finally finished it with the Wii
I think Nintendo are WAY too conservative in some aspects. They didn't need to make the Wii a GC 1.5. They could have modernised the system to accept ports from 360/PS3, even if it wasn't as powerful or still SD. At the same time kept it cheap and accessible for people.
With Wii U, they could have made the thing a noticeable bump over 360/PS3 by designing for a higher power usage (Say 50-60W) without breaking the bank. This I feel would have translated into a better reception amongst gamers and gaming press which feeds into more sales and more support.
Listen to him.
Iwata's "turned the ship around" and "record profits" were just temporary moments. Iwata also made Nintendo loose money for the first time in it's history last year and probably will loose again in the end of this fiscal year.
If you analyse the situation as a long-term strategy, Iwata's decisions were negative for Nintendo. Not supporting online (something Nintendo could easily have done with the GameCube, hell, even with N64 if the DD expansion was successful), abandoning the hardware race (a major reason why Wii had a shortage of third-party support and, consequently, lost of interest from gamers), 3DS overprice, huge of amount of shovelware and low quality titles for Wii, Nintendo shifting the core audience for casuals. It's no secret why Wii U is not selling. These decisions made gamers lost their trust into Nintendo products. Like AzaK said above, gamers left Nintendo.
Iwata has a major deal of responsability into this. He made several quotes along this years reflecting every change of direction he made for Nintendo.
Here's a quote from him circa 2004 and his disdain for online gaming:
and his quote from last year confirms Nintendo can't manage to do a PSN/XBL level network:
Again, in 2004, he made quotes against hardware specs increasing:
Okay, Mr. Iwata, I can't see no graphical difference between PS2/Xbox/GC and PS3/360 at all, indeed. He still believes that improving graphics isn't noticeable in his last year interview:
This is an interview from him circa 2002, shortly before his replacement over Yamauchi. Yes, Iwata DID said this.
This match his quote from last year saying this:
In 2010, Alchemist's boss made a statement regarding Nintendo issues with third-parties:
Isn't hard to deduce the reason on why Nintendo has difficulties (?) regarding third-party support. In 2011, he regreted the lack of Wii third-party support:
And last year he admits abandoning core audience for casual gamers was a mistake.
Sorry, Iwata's defenders, even the man himself admitted doing this was a mistake, no matter how many profits it generated. In the end, this happened:
People give props for Iwata because of DS's success, but, it wasn't his idea. Takashi Tezuka revealed it was Hiroshi Yamauchi the man who brought DS's idea, not Iwata.
This reports indicates Wii U was intentionally made to be underpowered in order to maximize investor's profits.
According to the man himself, he's a shareholder of 5,600 shares from Nintendo. This a quote from him from the The 72nd Annual General Meeting of Shareholders.
There are complaints about Wii U getting a weak GPU and CPU, so if they were intentionally made to be weak in order to increase profits, Iwata's probably had his personal gains in mind for this decision.
All of these are enough reasons to believe Iwata should leave his office.
Isn't everyone saying the GPU actually pretty good? (or at least the Wii U's strong point)
Shikamaru Ninja
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I'm not sure Iwata should leave office. The main reason is that there is no one even remotely as capable as him at Nintendo. Unless you just bring up some auditor or financial executive to just turn the tables.
I think it is mainly the entire Board of Directors (Miyamoto, Takeda, etc) that collectively have made some very short-sighted decisions for a company that relies on an entire world wide marketshare for all people, all sizes, all tastes. There just needs to be balance in the company. More ubiquity. I'm not sure how that is going to happen.
I think it is mainly the entire Board of Directors (Miyamoto, Takeda, etc) that collectively have made some very short-sighted decisions for a company that relies on an entire world wide marketshare for all people, all sizes, all tastes. There just needs to be balance in the company. More ubiquity. I'm not sure how that is going to happen.
I'd take the notion of Iwata stepping down more seriously if Microsoft or Sony had in any way developed profitable, long-term business strategies for their gaming divisions. If your argument is "Nintendo should be more like Microsoft/Sony in how they approach the console business", that's a pretty horrendously terrible idea unless you just want to see Nintendo go out of business.
I could at least understand the criticism if we're talking about how Nintendo is responding to smartphone/tablet gaming.
I could at least understand the criticism if we're talking about how Nintendo is responding to smartphone/tablet gaming.
Just get an external guy. With a financial background.
that seems to be what the industry wants
I think mario ios would lead to a stock crash not an increase.
Also insider trading is prohibited?
You do realise that the above is the goal for every company right?
With the way things are changing now, what would the chances be that Nintendo might adopt a strategy more akin to that of a typical electronics manufacturer where they might release a new, more powerful version of the same device with new features every couple of years, or even possibly annually?
If they aren't willing to ever put their franchises on anything else, and they're planning on sticking around, I don't see how they'll be able to be successful in the long term without a significant change, because I don't think consoles as we have known them for the past 30 years will be around past this coming generation.
If they aren't willing to ever put their franchises on anything else, and they're planning on sticking around, I don't see how they'll be able to be successful in the long term without a significant change, because I don't think consoles as we have known them for the past 30 years will be around past this coming generation.
PataHikari
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Yes because making it a loud power guzzler to satisfy the terrible idiot-king nerds of gaming "journalism" is so much butter for everybody.
That is awful.
IrishNinja
Member
pretty good post TreasureHunter, i take back what i said prior - but i do take umbrage with bits of it.
1) i don't think it can be stressed enough that, again, Nintendo watched the hardware race all but kill their biggest competitor (sega had bigger problems granted, but certainly a factor) and hemorrhage their next largest one (sony) until they went from being on top to struggling for 3rd.
the GC was, as you said, the last real attempt in said race, and it did abysmally poor. they started developing laterally - focusing on input vs specs - and did better than ever. what CEO wouldn't want to emulate this?
2) "shovelware on wii" is true but that's true of many high-selling systems, PS1 & 2 were loaded with them
3) growing the market is never a bad thing, though i'd agree devs caught with their pants down & not able to capitalize on the wii's userbase was a problem. lower specs were one thing, a unique control design was another. i assume iwata figured they'd be more on board this gen with the figures they put up from last, but that might not pan out.
4) how did "gamers leave nintendo" if the wii sold tremendously more than the GC did?
i'd tend to agree with him in '04; online wasn't a big part of the PS2's success in any real way. it didn't hurt the xbox at all, but it wasn't a huge sell that gen. also, i don't believe iwata was the only one downplaying online at that point, correct me if im wrong but wasn't yamanuichi not really concerned with it for the GC either?
you've got some other choice quotes as well, but some are nearly a decade old, and others are the kind've "hindsight = 20/20"; if you're to make a case that iwata should be replaced - again following the tremendous successes that were the DS & Wii - why not use more recent stuff like 3DS and early WU quotes? if i'm not mistaken, a number of your older quotes reference actions iwata has spoken on more recently trying to change in an attempt to reach out to more 3rd parties.
1) i don't think it can be stressed enough that, again, Nintendo watched the hardware race all but kill their biggest competitor (sega had bigger problems granted, but certainly a factor) and hemorrhage their next largest one (sony) until they went from being on top to struggling for 3rd.
the GC was, as you said, the last real attempt in said race, and it did abysmally poor. they started developing laterally - focusing on input vs specs - and did better than ever. what CEO wouldn't want to emulate this?
2) "shovelware on wii" is true but that's true of many high-selling systems, PS1 & 2 were loaded with them
3) growing the market is never a bad thing, though i'd agree devs caught with their pants down & not able to capitalize on the wii's userbase was a problem. lower specs were one thing, a unique control design was another. i assume iwata figured they'd be more on board this gen with the figures they put up from last, but that might not pan out.
4) how did "gamers leave nintendo" if the wii sold tremendously more than the GC did?
i'd tend to agree with him in '04; online wasn't a big part of the PS2's success in any real way. it didn't hurt the xbox at all, but it wasn't a huge sell that gen. also, i don't believe iwata was the only one downplaying online at that point, correct me if im wrong but wasn't yamanuichi not really concerned with it for the GC either?
you've got some other choice quotes as well, but some are nearly a decade old, and others are the kind've "hindsight = 20/20"; if you're to make a case that iwata should be replaced - again following the tremendous successes that were the DS & Wii - why not use more recent stuff like 3DS and early WU quotes? if i'm not mistaken, a number of your older quotes reference actions iwata has spoken on more recently trying to change in an attempt to reach out to more 3rd parties.
Yup it is better for all. 50W is not a power guzzler and could have provided enough grunt to have made launch games noticeably better looking (even if it was just framerate and res) than 360/PS3. This in turn gets people excited and gets them talking about the console which leads to hype and sales. Instead they released something that has its launch games looking just like we've been looking at for the last several years. This causes people to generally go 'meh'.
This increase in power wouldn't need to break the bank even though it would be more of an initial loss. Then they could work towards cost reduction later. In the end it's not evil to generate most of your profit from software.
They lost the general 'core' gamer with Wii and had the chance to get back some of the biggest spending consumers with Wii U but they just repeated themselves.
darkistheway
Member
NES: 62 million units worldwide
SNES: 49 million units worldwide
N64: 33 million units worldwide
GC: 22 million worldwide
Wii: 97 million worldwide
Does this make it clear why Nintendo abandoned the hardware race?
Investment in large leaps of console ability had led to significant decline in hardware sales, and thus software sales - which are Nintendo's bread and butter.
Like it or not, the change in strategy that lead to the Wii very likely saved Nintendo. Is it any wonder that strategy would continue to resonate in the management of the company?
TheDrowningMan
Member
They'd have to do something spectacular to fail to have their second biggest selling console.
Not with how big the gaming industry is now. If it's true about the WiiU selling 2.2 million consoles so far and it's just been out for 48 or so days if my dates are correct then i find it highly unlikely that it would only manage to move 20 million or so more units in it's entire lifetime.
darkistheway
Member
It's too soon to tell. It doesn't feel possible given the current power of Nintendo's franchises. Some of them are serious system sellers (like Wii Fit, Wii Sports and Mario Kart) and given the strong mindshare of the Wii brand.
But who can know?
Even with 20 million Nintendo would profit, so... Anyway Don't you know that Nintendo is doomed no mater what? (even if it sells... 150 million WiiU)
They are already profiting aren't they?
Didn't Reggie say that any loss they took on the WiiU would be rectified by the sale of just 1 game or something like that.
A few people might had not brought a game yet, especially the people who own the Pro. It took me nearly a month to buy MarioU because of the prices. I was happy with WiiU and Zombi U pro bundle before.
The question is do all console bundles produce a loss? Or is it only the basic?
Before anybody says Smash Bros - Yes, there are exceptions, but generally what he said is true. Even big games like NSMBWii and DKCR were announced months before they came out.
If nintendo would have continued the hardware race they would be out of the hardware race already. HD games cost more to develop, third parties would not have ported games on their HD console (as evident with the wiiu).. It would have been the final nail in the coffin for nintendo