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Senate halts Democrats plan on guns, terror suspects
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they'd just regret not having enough guns in the room to defend against the attackers and double down vowing to arm everyone or something
Because the constitution is a perfect holy document given to us by God himself and we have never once amended it.
Oh, wait...
Amendments can be amended. There is precedent.
ArkhamFantasy
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Silver lining, democrats can hopefully use this to help them in future elections.
If a few dozen little kids getting gunned down at school don't get people enraged enough, no one's going to give a shit about some politicians.
Yes, they were. And they were shitty, shitty proposals.
Do you actually think that a liberal supreme court is going to interpret it in such a way that heavily restricts access to guns?
Yeah I just mean how they all came to a head today. I imagine a lot of those voting to torpedo them just wanted to shitcan everything.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...so what exactly is the standard for being on the no-fly or "watch-list?" If there's no standard to be put on the list other than someone arbitrarily puts you on it, it doesn't even sound constitutional to ban people on those lists from purchasing firearms.
Who said anything about heavy restrictions?
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Thanks for the thoughts and prayers, GOP.
It's probably similar to how we "randomly" screen passengers at airports. This bill needs to pass, but it needs to have a better foundation first.
Most of Gaf seems to feel that the "proper" interpretation of the 2A is that the average citizen is not part of a well-regulated militia and therefore should not be allowed to own guns.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's different because random screening in various situations is legal because it is random. The fact that it is not, in fact, actually random is actually a different matter altogether.
Spoiled Milk
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I'd settle for the "well-regulated" part at this point but the NRA doesn't even want that.
Maybe we need black people to buy guns en-masse. That would get them moving.
That's never going to happen.
Sensible restrictions ("well-regulated") could though. That's what I'm hopeful for.
You do know that we banned machine guns back in the 80s right? We banned them so that lone gunmen can't kill hundreds of people.
If you notice, these killers aren't using machine guns. Now imagine if assault rifles were also banned.
The NRA doesn't care who buys guns as long as their clients (IE gun manufacturers) are making money. They'll start caring when current NRA members get sick of their BS and stop paying their dues. And while many gun owners want reform, I doubt most are aware that the NRA is no longer about protecting individual rights.
Agreed. Apologies for lumping you in with the majority.
I'm just gonna answer one question with quotes, because I feel like what I want to say has already been said.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Let's take a moment to realize that the Republican majority voted against two of the REPUBLICAN-CREATED measures here.
Let that sink in.
Machine guns have been RESTRICTED since the 1934 NFA act. Since then there have only been two known cases of a person using a legally registered machine gun to murder someone. There have been no mass shootings with one.
Machine guns manufactured after the 1986 NFA act cannot be sold to civilians, but a civilian can still buy one made before then if they have the money. Demand has pushed prices up past $20,000 for a registered M16, for example. But even before prices were crazy, people simply were not using them in crimes. Why would they? The process for getting one wasn't difficult per say, but it was long and hard enough to deter would-be criminals. The legislation that "banned" them is an example of legislation designed to fix a problem that didn't exist in the first place, and there's a real effort to reverse it.
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