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Shadow of the Eternals appears on Steam Greenlight
- Thread starter Imbarkus
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If there was one thing that Valve got right with Greenlight, it was making downvotes not count. Otherwise we would have seen a lot more instances of spite downvoting, or worse -- organized sabotage orchestrated by other competing developers vying for a spot, or their fans.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I didn't know that. That's good to know. Gotta wonder why there's even a downvote button then, if it doesn't do anything? Why not just have a single "vote" button (kind of like the "Like" button on FB)? Weird.
Oh, so it doesn't make them go down for each negative vote? It's just "whatever"? Then I get it, I always thought it'd be making it harder for the people who do want the game if I downvote something, so I only vote when I want a game to be greenlit.
It is weird
Crowdfunding is to pay for Cry Engnie 3 and the Pilot. Beyond that they are clearly hoping to have the first episode to do well enough to sustain the project.
However one only needs to look at how well CF/KS has gone to know this isn't going to happen. At this point they and their fans are pretty much hoping for some 3rd Party to save them, and outside of Sony/Nintendo all major third parites are moving away from smaller games.
How about a 9 minute gameplay video released shortly after the original trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqqu7O3ZP00
I couldn't care less about Eternal Darkness because I thought it was trash but come on guys. Dyack fucked up. He knows it. Dude probably wants to right his wrongs and try to forget his shady past and it shows. His team shouldn't be punished for his lack of foresight and inability to keep his mouth shut. They want to make this game and there are people who want to play it. Sure, you might not be one of these people but I fail to see how people wanting to make/play a game warrants the reaction it's getting. The existence of this game doesn't affect anyone negatively.
That said, this game probably won't exist anyways if the Kickstarter and official site's campaign are any indication. RIP Precursor Games 2013-2013.
It probably still registers as an "action" despite not increasing any number aside from page views. For example, if they see that 500 people have viewed the Greenlight page, 450 have made an action but the number of upvotes is only 100, that's an indicator that people are uninterested. It's a more accurate way to gauge interest than only using page views as a metric.
The actual purpose of the "downvote" button is to help users manage their queue. You clear games off your queue by voting for a game, either in the affirmative or negative.
(Note that developers can view their upvote/downvote stats, they just don't factor in when it actually matters -- it's there for informational purposes, I guess to let developers know if their game is particularly divisive or w/e)
Easy: so it doesn't show you a game again which you have already voted on.
I *think* it's because the way Greenlight is set up, they expect most users to spend time going through a bunch of random games on the Greenlight page to see what interests them, instead of going to a specific link to vote yes/no. So when you're actually using the Greenlight page, it makes sense to have a Yes/No for how interested you are, because you have to pick an option before they show you the next game.
This isn't fucking gameplay though. The majority of the video is basically cutscenes, and the other is them slowly walking. There is nothing at all in this video that can really be called Gameplay.
Didn't this shit with lumping people together because of similar opinions become bannable? Even if not, Shiggy while you know some people are like this, you've been around enough to know that their are legit concerns to this and not just LoL Dyack hate.
Yes, for the user, the "downvote" button is effectively "hide this game from my queue". Otherwise you end up with a queue cluttered with both games you're not interested in as well as games you haven't looked at yet.
If you think about it, things would have gotten really dirty, really quickly, if things didn't work this way. At any given moment, a lot of highest ranked games will publicly announce what position they are in the standings. If you are ranked #11, and you know such-and-such game is #10, you can attempt to bribe your fans into a smear campaign to try to drop the ranking of the #10 game.
I don't agree. I think most of the video is gameplay, at least what I expect from Eternal Darkness. The combat in ED is nothing to write home about, it was the adventure aspects and the atmosphere which made the game what it was. They basically chose to prototype and show off the "best" of what Eternal Darkness had, which isn't really a bad choice.
If only there was a guy shooting a gun or solving a matchstick puzzle, maybe then it could be considered gameplay. Have you played Eternal Darkness?
Fair enough. I don't however feel the same, combat or whatever else is very important to me.
As someone who played ED and found the game unenjoyable because of how many things it got wrong, like the combat I really need to see that before I can give them any faith. More so after the gameplay issues that both TH and XMD suffered from.
Totally because I'm a dude bro who can't get off unless someone is being shot.
Seriously though, unless the game has gone pure adventure with nothing else then this I want to see the elements beyond this.
I don't know, The Walking Dead was my GOTY last year so I'm all for the "interactive movie" kind of game, walking around interacting with things is very appealing to me, but the voice acting didn't seem very good, and it didn't interest me enough for $50. Maybe if they make it, after the whole season comes out and it's on sale for $20 or something. I'm cheap.
Also, I've read a few people saying that despite it's major flaws, Too Human's story was pretty good (don't know if there's any truth there, didn't stand the game long enough to find out), so this kind of game may be the best for those guys.
And it looks pretty good!
Aren't you a NeoGAF user yourself? C'mon, I know you're a better poster than this. Just because there are some people being immature about something and reacting in a childish way, you don't have to do the same and try and paint everyone else the same way.
I don't think so, that was ridiculous.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I just think its def more apparently when the negative rears its ulgy head on gaf. Lots of postive posters, but we stay hidden in the shadows alot of times
They really are trying to get this thing going but that dog won't hunt.
I'm all for second chances and whatnot, plus I actually liked Too Human. I think its problems were business related as opposed to creative ones (dumping UE3 killed it and SK). Most of SK's problems on the whole stem from bad business decisions, rather than creative ones. Dyack isn't running the business side anymore so I'm all for this project. Sadly, short of a miracle it looks dead in the water.
I'm all for second chances and whatnot, plus I actually liked Too Human. I think its problems were business related as opposed to creative ones (dumping UE3 killed it and SK). Most of SK's problems on the whole stem from bad business decisions, rather than creative ones. Dyack isn't running the business side anymore so I'm all for this project. Sadly, short of a miracle it looks dead in the water.
Morrigan Stark
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So "no" is basically "don't show this again"? I see, that makes sense.
I just think its def more apparently when the negative rears its ulgy head on gaf. Lots of postive posters, but we stay hidden in the shadows alot of times
I don't think being negative is inherently bad though. If there are people who honestly don't like how a game works, or have negative feedback about something, that's perfectly acceptable. I don't think that's what's going on in this thread though, especially how it starts off. There's nothing constructive about those posts, and honestly there isn't much to be proud of from that sort of behavior. Going "LOL LET'S DOWNVOTE THIS" en masse is childish and silly. But knowing that it doesn't actually do anything negative in the Greenlight system, getting angry over that and lashing out on the entire forum because of some of these people is also stupid. It's just sad all round imo.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I don't think being negative is inherently bad though. If there are people who honestly don't like how a game works, or have negative feedback about something, that's perfectly acceptable. I don't think that's what's going on in this thread though, especially how it starts off. There's nothing constructive about those posts, and honestly there isn't much to be proud of from that sort of behavior. Going "LOL LET'S DOWNVOTE THIS" en masse is childish and silly. But knowing that it doesn't actually do anything negative in the Greenlight system, getting angry over that and lashing out on the entire forum because of some of these people is also stupid. It's just sad all round imo.
Your absolutely right. I don't think being negative with justly reasons is a bad thing. To each their own. Though yes, the mentality I've seen in this thread is pretty childish. Jumping on a bandwagon like this is just... O_O
Going "LOL LET'S DOWNVOTE THIS" en masse is childish and silly. But knowing that it doesn't actually do anything negative in the Greenlight system, getting angry over that and lashing out on the entire forum because of some of these people is also stupid. It's just sad all round imo.
I didn't downvote just to do it. I think Dyack is a hack. A talentless pedant. Full disclosure, I would have supported SOTE (I'm a fan of ED) had he not been involved but he is a permeating stink cloud over the project. In short, not a safe investment.
It's poorly named imho. A lot of developers aren't aware of the distinction either, and get unnecessarily offended at the existence of that function.
MickeyPhree
Member
Down voted. I thought Ed was one of the worst piece of shit games I've ever played; I honestly don't understand how anyone actually enjoyed it. Even if Dyack wasn't around there is no way in hell I would ever play this.
lol you play videogames... nerd
Changes nothing. Money isn't the issue. Trust is.
Devil's advocate here
Activision may have looked at Silicon Knight's assets and measured them against the cost of taking them to court.
I guarantee you anything that they could have gotten out of the case would not have justified the cost.
Activision is a massive company, they chalked this one up as a loss and moved on. Plus it would be very difficult to prove in court.
AstroZombie
Banned
DICKS AHOY
Banned
No Thanks/ Not Interested.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
I suppose this is related... an Eternal Darkness Let's Play with commentary from Dyack, just completed:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwxp1C5yZEPBxS3XUj23F-tR0hDiHZVJJ
http://www.twitch.tv/killergp/b/405169333
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwxp1C5yZEPBxS3XUj23F-tR0hDiHZVJJ
http://www.twitch.tv/killergp/b/405169333
Eternal Darkness hate? wow...
It still boggles my mind how they can do this with Nintendo not giving a damn at all, a true Eternal Darkness 2 seems pretty much impossible at this point if Nintendo cares this little. I really doubt these guys can pull off a game like ED without Nintendo's guidance, what is their track record? Too Human?
It still boggles my mind how they can do this with Nintendo not giving a damn at all, a true Eternal Darkness 2 seems pretty much impossible at this point if Nintendo cares this little. I really doubt these guys can pull off a game like ED without Nintendo's guidance, what is their track record? Too Human?
Robobandit
Member
For what it's worth, this is now appropriately located in the concepts section of Greenlight.
Don't think I'm going to vote either way, though.
Don't think I'm going to vote either way, though.
spindoctor
Member
I kind of think this is true. Activision doesn't seem to care all that much about their licensed properties in general and their output reflects that. It seems that they do the bare minimum to fulfill contractual obligations, so I doubt they'd dip into their coffers to just to sue this company. Besides, Epic took SK to the cleaners anyway so what would they get by suing the ghost of a company?
They got us
lol, "extermist games group".
I know, I feel like a gamer/terrorist now.
01DragonFly
Member
upvoted. I really want another ED
doctorcdcs
Member
Some salty folks in this thread. Whatever Dyack might have done in the past, I don't think it's fair to condemn the other employees of the company for his past mistakes. I've been looking forward to a sequel, or spiritual successor to ED for a long time now, and this has gotten me excited. if this drive to make the game a reality fails, it shouldn't be because of Dennis Dyack.
Ninja Scooter
Member
This isn't a case of a game being released via big publisher, where we can wait until the game is released and finished, and read impressions and reviews before deciding to vote with our wallets. In that case yes, whatever Dyack did in the past is less relevant. But they are asking people to donate prior to having anything done, to get the game made. They are asking gamers and fans to be their "investors" and just like any other "investor", it is fair to take people's background and credibility into account.
That's a lot of purple prose that amounts to "you argued on Neogaf."
At the time I was following this but not a member and not invested. It was just a dumb internet argument, nothing more, nothing less. I suppose if you are part of it and really invested in it it must feel like some sort of epic confrontation, but it wasn't.
Dyack was completely correct on many points, like calling out people who knew nothing about the game, people slamming the animation in a 10fps gif and people trying to make bets about the game being terrible then claiming than on 80 MC is terrible.
Dyack is guilty of rambling a lot about some book he read and some overblown concept nobody gives a shit about, so it's easy for him to come off as grating. Personally I don't like listening to him either, just because he's so long-winded. But his big crime on Neogaf was just arguing.
The fact that people now are still really invested in it is just mind-boggling to me. It's like me being angry at someone because in 1995 they argued on rec.games.mac that PC games were better than Mac games.
This is Real Housewives level drama.
Edit: My intent here isn't to try to revive the original Gaf/Dyack arguments, just to point out that they weren't the reverberating holy war some people seem to think they were.