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Sony close to agreeing cloud gaming acquisition
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Maastricht
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Digital Foundry already has done a tonne of work on this, including on cloud services.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-off-gaikai-vs-onlive
NemesisPrime
Banned
Tbh buying a cloud gaming company is a total waste of money. Cloud gaming can't deal with console install base numbers.
It's really odd to me that Sony would be acquiring a company rather than simply licensing their technology. Acquisition suggests a long-term strategy beyond making Remote Play work better for Vita.
But it's good to see Sony being proactive about stream-based gaming. In a few years, dedicated hardware will be a very tough sell.
But it's good to see Sony being proactive about stream-based gaming. In a few years, dedicated hardware will be a very tough sell.
http://www.gaikai.com/#Client=true
Click on a game. You're playing a minute later. Yes, there's still a little latency (way less than you probably expect), and video compression still pales next to dedicated hardware. But home internet connections don't have to improve much for this to kick consoles in the balls.
And for gamers, the best part is developers can go as wild as they want with hardware requirements. On PC, Crytek limited their audience by going high-spec. On a streaming service, they'd draw more people.
You never heard of scale up and scale out! The cloudness is new, the resources to support it are cheap.
But customers is something else!
I just tried this. Onlive UI blows it away,but I like the sound of how they deal with porting games.
Yes, I know.
Problem: I never truly believed in their numbers. I mean, their 100ms may very well be correct, assuming they use tricks like triple buffering and/or LCD sets with high input lag, but it's nowhere as bad as they make it sound with the right games and the right sets. How would you explain I get ~30ms input lag between button press and screen effect myself? I'll try to post a image-by-image sequence when I have some free time.
What I see in their tests is that the added lag is quite important, sometimes over 100ms. And since I can't stand lag (the non-game mode on my set up the lag from 15 to 30-35ms, and I really find it unplayable), this is definitively not for me and will never be, at least till lightspeed is no more a physical limit ^_^
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Wrong. Sony needs to be proactive instead of waiting for its competitors to move forward. This is a perfect opportunity for Sony to move first.
funkystudent
Member
Just tossing this out there for fun...
The twist is Gaikai is buying PlayStation.
SCE are not preparing for a cloud gaming acquisition, they are preparing to be acquired by a cloud gaming company.
The twist is Gaikai is buying PlayStation.
SCE are not preparing for a cloud gaming acquisition, they are preparing to be acquired by a cloud gaming company.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Not to people that don't have the internet. Or to people with broadband with limits.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Come on... The technology isn't that hard to develop and the hardware easy to setup. Sony (and Ms) could easily do this themselves when the cloud gaming time has come. Right now, you would only buy such a company for the name or as an investment. Not like Sony has money to burn on exotic companies.
I just don't see Sony doing this... It would not be smart. oh well, maybe that is just why they might do it.
This cloud gaming rumor is probably about DD or about streaming between vita and ps3/4.
What cloud gaming tech are they referring to ? I remember one of the Japanese game companies showcased game streaming a couple of years ago (when PS3 was first launched).
Come to think of it, Cellius also has a P2P-based Karaoke service out since last year.
Yeah... unless they have an established user base, or have some cool core technologies and want to follow up quickly.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Except the valuable part of these types of companies aren't the infrastructure but rather the patents.
LukasTaves
Member
Now that Gaikai announced a partnership with Samsung i doubt Sony is buying them... They could still be partners, but i don't see Sony buying them and then their service coming to Sammy Tvs...
opticalmace
Member
Just did the same thing. Lagged a little but was surprisingly playable.
I'm impressed by the concept, but unsure about the execution.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Nope.
mercenar1e
Member
isn't Gaikai everywhere? they are on Facebook and some electronic devices like Samsung..
if Sony bought them out would they continue to provide the services or limit it to Sony devices?
they can do a lot with Gaikai... provide games on your tv, tablet and smart phones, why would they need a PS4?
if Sony bought them out would they continue to provide the services or limit it to Sony devices?
they can do a lot with Gaikai... provide games on your tv, tablet and smart phones, why would they need a PS4?
Graphics Horse
Member
It depends what their plans would be. The Playstation Suite service will presumably be available on Samsung devices.
east of eastside
Banned
Gaikai is the new 3D0.. Sony and Samsung have taken the place of Panasonic and Sanyo.
Not sure who plays Trip Hawkins..
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
So does this mean PS4 wouldn't need to be super duper ultra powerful and expensive if it's going to play games off a cloud based service?
Would it also allow Sony to offer a subscription service where you pay a monthly fee and have access to a large library of games? Something similar to Sega Channel?
Sorry, but I'm not too informed on this whole Cloud based gaming concept.
Would it also allow Sony to offer a subscription service where you pay a monthly fee and have access to a large library of games? Something similar to Sega Channel?
Sorry, but I'm not too informed on this whole Cloud based gaming concept.
I don't think the world is there yet for a cloud gaming console in this style, but yes essentially, they could offer a subscription to play games without the need for powerful hardware, but I don't think they will be that any time soon.
Isn't gaming one of the areas they are actually making money, if they don't make another console to compete with the WiiU and the next Xbox then they will get left behind.
What they need to do is not what they did with the PS3, most console makers are used to taking a hit at release but the PS3 was costly to make and took ages to trim down and make cheaper, if the PS4 is indeed more like a PC and less special parts then it should be easier for them.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I would imagine this is the grand plan, they are becoming more about content and services. Sony Entertainment Network and PS Certified are the first steps.
Spider_Jerusalem
Member
So it's only for playing ps1 & 2 games? disappointing...
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
My vita is ready!
iceatcs
Junior Member
It will coming when they have move on to nextgen.
I bet many 3rd party will said fuck off.
That's kind of anti-climactic given all the possibilities. Still, should relieve some BC concerns given you live in the right countries and have a fast and reliable internet connection.
It was pretty clear that it would be PS1/PS2 games from the beginning. Depending on where Sony wants to go with it, PS3/4 games being on the service isn't unrealistic during the PS4's lifetime.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
A neat idea for providing BC, I guess.
I imagine both MS and Sony may try out cloud gaming at the tail end of next Gen. This may be Sony trying to get a jump on the competition.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Ps1&2 they can probably run via PC emulation, which would suit cloud gaming as its more scalable.nOS3 games would currently require the use of one PS3 per user so might not be scalable just yet.
But don't PS3s already play PSone games, and vita plays psp games, and psp can play PSone....so vita should also play PSone games without needing to stream them. And now there is this raft of HD remakes of PS2 games..
So where is the market for streaming them via the cloud? Unless its a cut price ps+ type of thing?
I would suggest Sony resources are starting to be stretched in porting PS2 titles over PSN. With Vita, and soon escalation to PS4, development occurring they are probably getting short of easy to port titles. With any luck PS2 streaming on Vita/PS3 will happen with this and they will use this system to branch out to PS3 BC for the PS4 in turn.
Streaming PS4 software of one kind or another, in one model or another, seems more immediately possible than PS3 stuff tbh. PS3 might remain an 'odd man out' for a while.
I wonder if they would think about putting up PSP games on this thing too.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I don't know if it's because I'm in Sweden or what, but staring a demo on Gaikai is taking fucking forever.
EDIT: Technical error, couldn't start the game, yay!
EDIT 2: Ok, worked now. The lag is noticeable for sure, but I wouldn't say it makes this specific game (Alan Wake) unplayable. Faster-paced games I would definitely not want to play like this, though. And the quality. Man, the quality. It's terrible. Looks worse than a 720p YouTube video. This needs to get a lot better before I would ever consider it a decent substitute for running my games locally.
I was thinking that a sony insider spilled the beans too early on sony's plans.
Sony is in aggressive mode, fight or flight if you will.
It could have been that Gaikai had a partnership agreement in the works with sony, samsung and a few others.
After positive reception and possibilities, it is not out of the realm of possibility that sony then decided to make an acquisition offer and keep Gaikai for themselves, shutting out other partners or pulling a microsoft and allowing the deals to continue but everyone would pay sony a license fee.
Its no different to the company behind kinect. They were willing to work with any and all console manufacturers, ms just swooped in and bought them to keep it exclusive.
Just a thought.
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