Razgriz-Specter
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I'd say Wonder Woman is the huge risk but really that risk only comes into play if they make a horrendous movie.
Anything decent and it will do fine, blow it you lose your #3 character and the most recognizable female hero.
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Sony E-Mail Leak: Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter on Female Heroes
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I'd say Wonder Woman is the huge risk but really that risk only comes into play if they make a horrendous movie.
Anything decent and it will do fine, blow it you lose your #3 character and the most recognizable female hero.
lmao, what in the world.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Frozen was a hit because of a song, not powers.
Anton Sugar
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Yup, not to mention the Hunger Games seris.
Grimm Fandango
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Bad examples considering Marvel Studios has yet to falter with their movies.
PhoncipleBone
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And you also add another corpse on the pile of bad female lead super hero films if they mess it up.
True, but that had the benefit of being based on an extremely popular book series.
BronsonLee
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..oh what the fuck
BronsonLee
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They greenlit Guardians of the Galaxy instead.
I'm not sure I understand the clamoring to get a Black Widow movie. I mean, she is a great character within the context of the films she has been in, but wouldn't a film centred on her be more of an action film than a superhero film?
I'd see exactly the same challenge in trying to make a standalone Hawkeye film. I just don't see that either character could pull off a solo movie and achieve a movie of the same "scale" and "tone" as everything else in the MCU.
Off the back of Avengers, I imagine films on both those characters could technically be profitable if you kept a tight rein on budgets (which itself hampers the ability for such films to be a spectacle) but you have the opportunity cost of the exercise to consider as well.
I'd see exactly the same challenge in trying to make a standalone Hawkeye film. I just don't see that either character could pull off a solo movie and achieve a movie of the same "scale" and "tone" as everything else in the MCU.
Off the back of Avengers, I imagine films on both those characters could technically be profitable if you kept a tight rein on budgets (which itself hampers the ability for such films to be a spectacle) but you have the opportunity cost of the exercise to consider as well.
Guardians was greenlit long before Lucy ever came out.
Grimm Fandango
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I can agree with this also. She'd be more situated in a TV series like Daredevil (but will never happen).
SliceSabre
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While true those movies were terribad I would think enough time has passed that you could try again even with those same characters.
Jex
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It's not surprising that people in those positions would think along those lines. Looking at the past to attempt to discern the future is only natural, even if it is inherently a fairly flawed way of thinking. It ignores, for example, the fact that those were all bad movies which probably has something to do with why they failed. Still, as we're missing the surrounding context that could well have been brought up.
Of course, then Lucy came out and made hundreds of millions of dollars which just goes to show that such a method of reasoning can lead you down the wrong path.
Of course, then Lucy came out and made hundreds of millions of dollars which just goes to show that such a method of reasoning can lead you down the wrong path.
Daredevil did make its money back though, didn't it?
Oh my god. Amazing signature move
Actually Nicole Perlman wrote both a GotG draft & a Black Widow draft at about the same time. She presented both scripts to Marvel & they chose GotG. Though yes, Lucy had no impact on their decision either way, GotG did take what could have been Black Widow's Phase 2 spot.
Currently, Nicole Perlman is co-writing Captain Marvel.
AoS finally settled into doing the spy thing this season after fighting it all of S1.
WyndhamPrice
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Nothing in Winter Soldier hinges on Captain America being superpowered in any way. It makes some of the fights more exciting but it's not like anyone is flying around or fighting for the fate of the cosmos or anything.
cutmeamango
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Biggest problem is setting out to make a hero movie without a solid plan.
You'll then have to rely on the basic cornerstone: A character must have a solid and recognizable/likeable visual base (looks and powers/actions).
Second, having an understandment on why this character may have a mindshare so you can expand it. Catwoman is an agile burglar that can trouble even Batman << Nolan got that right.
Third, a solid, proven motivation structure, not as important as the the other two, but it may help informing the script.
Then you scrap what works in the comics for a sense of whatever and you get Catwoman and Elektra.
Captain Marvel's uniform/powers already work in the comics, that you just adapt to the new universe. The rest they are free to do whatever.
Spiderman they got it mostly wrong with the first, and the second they just (greatly) fixed the uniform. Understandable to be wary of a Black Cat and Spider-woman movie by the same peeps.
You'll then have to rely on the basic cornerstone: A character must have a solid and recognizable/likeable visual base (looks and powers/actions).
Second, having an understandment on why this character may have a mindshare so you can expand it. Catwoman is an agile burglar that can trouble even Batman << Nolan got that right.
Third, a solid, proven motivation structure, not as important as the the other two, but it may help informing the script.
Then you scrap what works in the comics for a sense of whatever and you get Catwoman and Elektra.
Captain Marvel's uniform/powers already work in the comics, that you just adapt to the new universe. The rest they are free to do whatever.
Spiderman they got it mostly wrong with the first, and the second they just (greatly) fixed the uniform. Understandable to be wary of a Black Cat and Spider-woman movie by the same peeps.
Grimm Fandango
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Sorry I meant more along the lines of ScaJo not being able to do a TV show with the time commitment.
Oppo
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He jumps out of an airplane without a parachute
He falls like 30 stories out of an elevator and goes "ow"
What are you talking about
excelsiorlef
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I love him pointing to Catwoman as the most important female character in the Bat franchise while ignoring the fact that the Catwoman in that movie was not even Selena Kyle. Literally was not the "most important female character in the bat franchise"
I don't think the general public knows, or at least does not give a shit, who Selena Kyle is or isnt. They do know cat woman though.
BronsonLee
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And goddamnit that elevator dive is AMAZING
Gordon Shumway
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Relax..enjoy the show, old man.
Also, might want to contact a mod if you find this offensive..
excelsiorlef
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My point is they didn't even make an actual Catwoman movie, it had no ties to the Bat franchise at all.
Delta Assault
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I don't really think we need a current day Black Widow movie, she flies in and out of enough Marvel movies that her presence is never far.
But a Black Widow origin movie? I think that makes a whole lot of sense. There's been some inklings of her past but it's never been explained.
that basketball scene is iconic though
WyndhamPrice
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I meant nothing in terms of the kind of story they're telling. Winter Soldier is a spy thriller at its heart, they could easily build another story of that type for Black Widow in that universe.
Oppo
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It was, and it sort of made me think "ok cmon now" when it happened, but it's saved by the SHIELD dude looking at it on camera and going "you've gotta be kidding me".
WyndhamPrice said:
Ok yes, I agree.
Razgriz-Specter
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Man the concept for Catwoman alone was so god awful.
Why did that ever get a green light?
Why did that ever get a green light?
I don't think they'll be doing that. There's too much momentum in seeing what's going to happen next -- with Civil War, with Thanos, with new characters being introduced -- that it would be almost a waste to spend an entire movie going backwards for an origin story. Though they could do a half-and-half story that's split between modern day Widow and flashbacks to her past, and have those tie together in whatever way.
I think the other issue with doing a Black Widow movie (or Hawkeye movie for that matter) is they're not flashy enough or have enough merch potential to warrant the $200+ million investment.
Oppo
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There are so, so many things they could do with Catwoman. I mean she's a hyper skilled jewel thief who wears a hot leather suit. It takes effort to fuck this premise up.
Sounds too plain, clearly we need to insert Cat God and cosmetic monster CEO
"How about... she fights an evil makeup company. Women like makeup, right?"
maquiladora
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I agree with this.
fallengorn
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So that's how he got the car in TWS to go to Jersey.
Discotheque
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I'm hearing Charlize is kind of the major player in fury road which is cool.
George Miller da gawd should have been snatched up for Wonder Woman
Razgriz-Specter
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LOL, ugh man.
BronsonLee
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"That playground duel in Daredevil was great, everyone loved that. You know what we should have? A basketball scene."
Discotheque
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Of course. Mad Max > comic book movies but still it's very cool to hear that the rawest looking Hollywood action film in years has major female presence.
"Bad movies do bad" is an overly simplistic interpretation. It's entirely plausible that there isn't the same market for female-led superhero films that there is for male-led ones. I'd argue though that the success of Hunger Games suggests otherwise.
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