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And this with Japan largely absent this gen (about 5.5m sold so far, compared to the PS1 and PS2 selling 17-20m)
So if the xbox one launched with
*Being able to sell used games
*No always online requirement
*No kinect or at least a seperate kinect
*same price
* Gaming being there main focus
You think the PS4 would still have such a big lead?
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First two points are irrelevant considering Xbox one actually wasn't always online nor did it block used games at launch. The thing is, since atleast 2014 MS had an SKU without Kinect, was same price or cheaper at time and focused on games. Despite all that PS4 is consistently outselling it 2 to 1. You could argue the PS4's initial success was due to the fact MS screwed up the messaging before their console launched, but to still ride on it 4 years later is silly. You have to consider PS4 is not slowing down. It's selling more units each year, because it's constantly getting better with games, accessories, revisions and system software. This whole "PS4 is a success, because Microsoft let them" is a laughable fanboy remark.
So why has the X1 sold so much less then PS4 then?
Also who are you quoting because I certainly didnt say or imply that.
PS4"S huge lead is mainly due to xbox's mistakes
Because PS4 is a better choice at the moment. That's my opinion.
As for your question. You said
It implies PS4's success happened "mainly" because of Microsoft, leaving Sony hitting all the right notes and improving their product for over 4 years as a minor cause for success. It's also not true considering most (if not all) of these mistakes have been fixed a year into this console cycle when the sales difference between two consoles was around at few million units.
And this with Japan largely absent this gen (about 5.5m sold so far, compared to the PS1 and PS2 selling 17-20m)
You are just strawmanning me by saying I mean something different then the actual definition of my words.
if MS were more like sony at the start of this gen they would of sold more and therefore sonys sales lead would be smaller.
Maybe this metaphor might help you out,
Lets say you a strongman contest and the object of the contest is for the strongmen to put as many big rocks over a line 15metres away, both these men are equal in physical ability, one man is called tom the other called jim.
The day before the contest jim thinks he will do something different and drink lots of milk before the contest because he thinks it will give him strength but in the contest jim feels sick and tom puts over double the rocks over the line.
Now would saying Tom won because of jims mistake be incorrect?
Edit: On second thoughts, never mind. We're simply going in circles here.
True but the rest of Asia is much bigger than it was now too.And this with Japan largely absent this gen (about 5.5m sold so far, compared to the PS1 and PS2 selling 17-20m)
I think the RROD fiasco was beginning of Miscrosoft's failures in the gaming space. They had denied it for a long time before finally shelling out over a billion dollars to fix it. The customers' trust in the company faltered for the Xbox 1.
Kinect was another failure that priced their product out of competition.
in defense of xbox, this sales data was probably collected prior to it being known that Nine Parchments runs at 4K 60fps on the XOX. I am sure that boosted sales decently and would wait until after the holidays to see the difference.
Not sure if you are being serious.
XOX's Nine Parchments performance isn't going to be the great leveler.
I think casuals are buying what their friends have and what's considered cool currently. That seems to be the PS4.
Those who know (established gamers) are buying the PS4 because of Sony's support for the console in terms of a varied software library that has lots of games (multiplat and exclusive) in the pipeline.
MS didn't do XBOX 1 any favors by having such poor support for the 360 towards the end of its life. (That and the fiasco that tookplace during XBOX 1's announcement)
The X1X hasn't changed that. MS still seems to be primarily hoping that third-party software (with a few exclusives) will be enough.
If I was only going to have one console, PlayStation seems to be the better platform to get behind and I imagine that most people only have one console.
You are in urgent need of a new sarcasm meter lol
Saying sonys big lead in sales was caused by Microsoft mistakes is not disparaging sony at all. It is simply the truth, if MS were more like sony at the start of this gen they would of sold more and therefore sonys sales lead would be smaller.
This is just basic math.
Also I actually agree with you because if sonys big lead is caused by Microsofts mistakes on the contrary sony has not made the same mistakes and therefore been smart.
You are just strawmanning me by saying I mean something different then the actual definition of my words.
Maybe this metaphor might help you out,
Lets say you a strongman contest and the object of the contest is for the strongmen to put as many big rocks over a line 15metres away, both these men are equal in physical ability, one man is called tom the other called jim.
The day before the contest jim thinks he will do something different and drink lots of milk before the contest because he thinks it will give him strength but in the contest jim feels sick and tom puts over double the rocks over the line.
Now would saying Tom won because of jims mistake be incorrect?
So to avoid further confusion the PS4'S big lead over XBOX is mainly due to Microsofts blunders.
If you disagree, fine.lets leave it at that.
How many accessories that cost as much as the console itself do you realistically expect them to sell in a year?
These are worldwide numbers! I'd expect more than 2 million. That includes 2 Xmas shopping season black Fridays too. I understand it's expensive but 2 million units can't even begin to sway developers to support it. Unless of course they are paid to.
It says more to the fact vr isn't ready for prime time yet.
What complete crapSonys strategy was simple, make a console with a decent leap and continue there quality exclusive line up.
They did not masterfully 4d chess Microsoft with an amazing strategy.
Even yoshi said they dont know why the PS4 is seeing such great success.
They saw great success because of Microsofts blunders and sonys superior PR and marketing campaign.
In terms of progressing the medium sony have not done much this gen, so without MS blunders they woulf not be seeing the lead they are seeing this gen.
However if MS dont increase there exclusive line up, sony will continue there impressive lead but on many other fronts MS are starting to outshine sony.
Sonys strategy was simple, make a console with a decent leap and continue there quality exclusive line up.
They did not masterfully 4d chess Microsoft with an amazing strategy.
Even yoshi said they dont know why the PS4 is seeing such great success.
They saw great success because of Microsofts blunders and sonys superior PR and marketing campaign.
In terms of progressing the medium sony have not done much this gen, so without MS blunders they woulf not be seeing the lead they are seeing this gen.
However if MS dont increase there exclusive line up, sony will continue there impressive lead but on many other fronts MS are starting to outshine sony.
Xbox division is unprofitable?
I thought they were in profit since 2011
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Garbage. C'Mon Man.Sonys strategy was simple, make a console with a decent leap and continue there quality exclusive line up.
They did not masterfully 4d chess Microsoft with an amazing strategy.
Even yoshi said they dont know why the PS4 is seeing such great success.
They saw great success because of Microsofts blunders and sonys superior PR and marketing campaign.
In terms of progressing the medium sony have not done much this gen, so without MS blunders they woulf not be seeing the lead they are seeing this gen.
However if MS dont increase there exclusive line up, sony will continue there impressive lead but on many other fronts MS are starting to outshine sony.
Xbox division is unprofitable?
I thought they were in profit since 2011
It all depends on price. PS3 could have easily squeaked past 100M(currently sitting at an estimated 85-89M) if they could have even got it down to $149. The reason it dropped so hard after PS4 launched is it wasnt that much cheaper than their new console! If PS4 can be brought down to $99 I can see it selling tons after PS5.If the world stage remains okay in the next few years, I think the PS4 will cross 130 million easy. PS2 was a 50%+ increase on PS1, I think PS4 will do the same in relation its predecessor. Just my thinking, but I think it's gonna happen.
Well deserved. Arguably one of the greatest gaming libraries of any system. While bringing new industry defining ip. Their sales are going to get wild if they can get it to $199.
The thing that got me was seeing all my friends on PS3 getting great free games month after month, year after year while we got fuck all on 360.Unsure why people think Microsoft was in the position to dominate and would have if they had proper messaging.
The 360 was already faltering due to their complete shift to casual gamers and the lack of exclusives the 2nd half of its life.. remember Microsoft fans making excuses for the lack of exclusives saying they were being pushed to the next Xbox?
Sony on the other hand was pumping out crazy amounts of exclusives including goty The Last of Us.
Sony was hitting it's stride while Microsoft was coasting and people were hyper aware of this.
Sure Microsoft probably would have been able to hang with market share a little longer.. but people can see what is going on. Microsoft has been saying the exclusives are coming for half a decade now.. but I like to think most don't really believe that is true anymore.
Sonys strategy was simple, make a console with a decent leap and continue there quality exclusive line up.
They did not masterfully 4d chess Microsoft with an amazing strategy.
Even yoshi said they dont know why the PS4 is seeing such great success.
They saw great success because of Microsofts blunders and sonys superior PR and marketing campaign.
In terms of progressing the medium sony have not done much this gen, so without MS blunders they woulf not be seeing the lead they are seeing this gen.
However if MS dont increase there exclusive line up, sony will continue there impressive lead but on many other fronts MS are starting to outshine sony.
Xbox division is unprofitable?
I thought they were in profit since 2011
So why has the X1 sold so much less then PS4 then?
Also who are you quoting because I certainly didnt say or imply that.
Sooo how did Sony overcome the OMG $599 US dollars? You can't keep using the start up 4yrs later....because they totally fucked up during their launch. They never got past the backlash they caused and with Sony being very smart here even using it to their advantage they decided this race since the start.
Also it helps how open and honest Sony has been in these years while Microsoft only did this a a year or so ago. But they can not repair the total broken relationship with their customers anymore.
Maybe next generation if even. They also need to hope that Sony will fuck this up pretty bad.
Sooo how did Sony overcome the OMG $599 US dollars? You can't keep using the start up 4yrs later....
Still means nothing.. forums were seething when the price of PS3 was announced there was alot of hate but thats US for ya & UK sucks up whatever US does but rest of world made up for that & the price we in AU paid for PS3 was ridiculous 😊With Sony it was just a price. With Microsoft it was a complete philosophy the backed out. While Sony was arrogant MS was straight up Evil for many people. And you can not get away from this., People who usually buy one console already bought one. Besides this MS is also known for killing projects. Crackdown 3 has become the next Last Guardian or FFXV as well.
Sonys strategy was simple, make a console with a decent leap and continue there quality exclusive line up.
They did not masterfully 4d chess Microsoft with an amazing strategy.
Even yoshi said they dont know why the PS4 is seeing such great success.
They saw great success because of Microsofts blunders and sonys superior PR and marketing campaign.
In terms of progressing the medium sony have not done much this gen, so without MS blunders they woulf not be seeing the lead they are seeing this gen.
However if MS dont increase there exclusive line up, sony will continue there impressive lead but on many other fronts MS are starting to outshine sony.
So if the xbox one launched with
*Being able to sell used games
*No always online requirement
*No kinect or at least a seperate kinect
*same price
* Gaming being there main focus
You think the PS4 would still have such a big lead?
I said the PS4"S huge lead is mainly due to xbox's mistakes. I dont know how anyone can think the lead would not be smaller if MS did not get it so wrong at the start of this gen.