StevieP said:Yes, the PS1, PS2, DS, and Wii are all failures of the highest magnitude.
Well, you know, the PS3 was just so much more successful than any of those.
Wait.
StevieP said:Yes, the PS1, PS2, DS, and Wii are all failures of the highest magnitude.
Wut?StevieP said:Get a PC if all you care about is top-notch visuals. Microsoft won't save you either. Everyone on GAF has to start tempering their expectations or there will be a lot of meltdowns (and/or CGI renders debuting the systems).
Takao said:That is Sony Portugal speaking, and this was their major PSP release last year:
"Ugly Duckling: A Beautiful Game"
Maybe they're putting all of their eggs in Vita's basket.Paco said:Doubt that PS4 will be a small upgrade after seeing the muscle of Vita.
Proelite said:Wut?
I am think with the previous specs I mentioned, we should see a HUGE jump in graphics. There won't be resolution change or learning to program in COMPLETELY (multithread) different ways that the generation before.
Occams razor time.Corto said:I appreciate the detailed explanation. You have to realize though that it's still your interpretation, and the other spaniards who posted in this thread who are disagreeing with you are disagreeing with the fact that you're giving your interpretation as opposed to the actual translation, and as we are seeing in this thread, interpretation differs according to the person who hears it. All sides of story are welcome though so thanks for this.
I don't think a sane person would expect the next gen console to run an unoptimized tech as well as it did on 3 Fermis. However, I fully expect some next gen games to "look" better than the Samaritan demo, which was a demo that I wasn't impressed with.StevieP said:Point being, it is doubtful that any of the 3 console players will be going high-powered next gen, due to a combination of cost and wattage requirements in a console environment. There will probably be a lot of disappointed people. I'm not talking about the ones who are expecting a decent jump, which a 550ti and 5670 will provide. I'm talking about the people who want Samaritan in real-time (which in itself as a demo is showing diminishing returns in full swing).
They were kicked of by hardcore gamers. The only problem with PS3 was that they couldn't get the price down far enough, fast enough to snag the mainstreamVinci said:Which 'one audience' are you talking about? Sony has lost billions of dollars this generation because they didn't create a system that appealed to the audience that bought the PS1 and PS2 in droves - the mainstream. Instead, they created an expensive, hulking behemoth that appealed explicitly to the most expensive audience in the gaming landscape to appease.
Their prior systems didn't sell over 100 million units because of 'hardcore' gamers.
mrklaw said:They were kicked of by hardcore gamers. The only problem with PS3 was that they couldn't get the price down far enough, fast enough to snag the mainstream
Vinci said:The point is that they created a system to promote all of Sony's ambitions rather than something that made some economic sense. [It had.]
ssolitare said:I'm sorry but I call complete bullshit on this.
There is no way that this company would lose in power because they will undoubtedly lose their entire audience.
They'd have to have some real gimmick up to sleeve to appeal to the other audience. Nah, I can't believe this.
Forsete said:Bingo.
A PS3.1 would be a fate worse than death for the awesome pawesome 1st party devs Sony possesses over.
DaSorcerer7 said:I'm not surprised that they may take this route, considering the amount of money they've lost this gen.
Depends. The combination of 2014 and a slight step forward is worrying. In 3 years time even had will have run out of ways to argue over the same pointsVinci said:So, lets say that Sony goes a half-step rather than a full-step in terms of how far they could conceivably go.... Same developers are working on what is still more powerful hardware that gives them additional things they can do.... Would you really not buy the system?
Dunlop said:this.
now the question for them is was BluRay worth it?
DaSorcerer7 said:I'm not surprised that they may take this route, considering the amount of money they've lost this gen.
Jonm1010 said:If we are talking about Sony taking a loss in order to get blu ray ingrained into consumers as the next gen movie format it most certainly was.
People seem to forget that with sony and Microsoft the be all end all isn't just making money on the console itself.
For Sony the ps3 meant they basically won the format war against hd-DVD and in a much quicker time. That victory alone is justification enough for Sony to develop an at-a-loss system. The benefits of wining that victory will resonate for that company for the next 4-10 years as pretty much every thing with the blu ray brand will gain money for Sony.
Me either. It's just not in Sony's nature (at least the top bross at SCEJ/SCEA), and i'm glad it isn't because they're the last gaming hardware company left that cares about hardware. I think the success of PSV will determine whether or not they go hard with PS4, but we'll still see a significant jump. But if PSV is wildly successful then they may go all out like with PS3. They don't have to worry about Cell development or Blu Ray though, they can just put upgraded versions of those in PS4. It won't cost nearly as much and they can focus more on GPU/ram shit.black swordsman said:I dont believe this at all.
Exactly. They can do so much more with the PS4 with half the early manufacturing cost of the PS3. The main limiting factor to power won't be price, but heat, power, and the limitations of the Cell architecture for PS4.Angry Fork said:It won't cost nearly as much and they can focus more on GPU/ram shit.
I don't keep on all the profit news but isn't the bolded part just referring to they lost more on the ps3 than they earned on the ps2? And wasn't that article about three years ago?Vinci said:Considering they lost all the profit they ever made in the gaming industry, it's questionable whether Blu-Ray royalties will make up for it. That said, if they're able to nail the design and pricing for the PS4 and rise to the top of the heap again, then it's less of a concern and Blu-Ray might end up being worth the price.
Hard to say at this point though.
Vinci said:Considering they lost all the profit they ever made in the gaming industry, it's questionable whether Blu-Ray royalties will make up for it. That said, if they're able to nail the design and pricing for the PS4 and rise to the top of the heap again, then it's less of a concern and Blu-Ray might end up being worth the price.
Hard to say at this point though.
Me either. It's just not in Sony's nature (at least the top bross at SCEJ/SCEA), and i'm glad it isn't because they're the last gaming hardware company left that cares about hardware.
The bluray victory is a hell of a victory Sony.
Yeah my saving point when I get so ticked off at the potential of Sony and Microsoft gimping nextgen to focus on gimmiicks, kiddies and casuals is that Microsoft still has a vested interest in pushing DX and the xbox has typically, at least in part, played a role of being a mass market promoter for it.Proelite said:Exactly. They can do so much more with the PS4 with half the early manufacturing cost of the PS3. The main limiting factor to power won't be price, but heat, power, and the limitations of the Cell architecture for PS4.
As for MS, they'll cater to the developers completely, and will use hardware (FUSION) that introduces new APIs such as DX12.
This is a TERRIBLE concept for the future of gaming.Veidt said:Considering what happened this gen. It would be unnatural for Sony not to consider going the route of Nintendo. They've lost enough money on the Playstation 3 already.
Nintendo has ventured into a new market. Referred to, as per the words of Sony Spain in the OP; the market of women and casuals. They don't demand an exponential increase in graphics capabilities, or large scale games for that matter.
I believe we are entering an era where there will be two markets. The console market, consisting of an appeal to women, the elderly and the casuals in general. And the PC market, consisting of a customer base formerly raised on gaming and have a knowledge and expectation of exponential growth in processing power for gaming. These two will be separated at least 2 generations appart; while simultaneously appealing to two entire different markets.
I only want Sony and Microsoft to admit this condition of affairs already.
I thought Move was their successful innovative control scheme?somuchwater said:If Sony do focus on widening the audience and coming up with an innovative control scheme, then it'd totally be a step in the right direction for them.
CadetMahoney said:I thought Move was their successful innovative control scheme?
No matter how stingy MS and Sony be, they'll spend money in the following.Jonm1010 said:Yeah my saving point when I get so ticked off at the potential of Sony and Microsoft gimping nextgen to focus on gimmiicks, kiddies and casuals is that Microsoft still has a vested interest in pushing DX and the xbox has typically, at least in part, played a role of being a mass market promoter for it.
Should point out that this is assuming that things like OnLive aren't the future. If they are, then hurray, you can still get the most simple casual games and the most graphically intensive ones on the same device, the benefits are the same as the model I proposed, and everybody wins.Krev said:
Krev said:Should point out that this is assuming that things like OnLive aren't the future. If they are, then hurray, you can still get the most simple casual games and the most graphically intensive ones on the same device, the benefits are the same as the model I proposed, and everybody wins.
Jonm1010 said:If we are talking about Sony taking a loss in order to get blu ray ingrained into consumers as the next gen movie format it most certainly was.
People seem to forget that with sony and Microsoft the be all end all isn't just making money on the console itself.
For Sony the ps3 meant they basically won the format war against hd-DVD and in a much quicker time. That victory alone is justification enough for Sony to develop an at-a-loss system. The benefits of wining that victory will resonate for that company for the next 4-10 years as pretty much every thing with the blu ray brand will gain money for Sony.
Again, when you take into account all the other revenue streams the ps3 opened up for Sony, is it really an overall loss? Winning the format war w/ Blu ray, online sales and marketplace growth, growing use of cell technology in other areas. Overall, despite early hiccups I think Sony ps3 venture was an overall success for Sony, just not for their games division.
Indeed. I fully expect both Sony and MS to pack as much hardware power in their next consoles as possible, with $400-$450 being the price limit. DX12 spec hardware will most likely debut in next Xbox, in my opinion. If they intend their consoles to be just some small update, there's literally no point in wasting R&D money on them, as they can just keep selling the existing ones by making them smaller, cheaper and prettier.StevieP said:Do... does everyone on GAF have the memory of a fish?
somuchwater said:Move is still half-baked. Any sort of new control scheme - even if it's an updated Move/Kinect combo - has to be built in at the level of the ecosystem for mainstream success. It can't be tacked on like Move is now.
Maybe your right on the profits from royalties, a link would be more helpful than assertions and a shitty attitude.StevieP said:Can someone pull up that figure at how measly the blu-ray royalties for Sony really are? It was calculated a few months back and it's a tiny tiny drop in the bucket compared to the eradication of their entire gaming profit base.
Do... does everyone on GAF have the memory of a fish?
No, it really really really isn't.
I'm talking about long-term directions for gaming. Obviously there's at least one more generation of traditional consoles to go before a major shake up happens. I think that shake up will be the handheld/console hybrid, but in time streaming may become viable.Proelite said:I don't think MS and Sony will wait for an ubiquitous ultra high speed internet to be developed. That's at least a decade away.
I've been hoping for this for a while from next gen.Ploid 3.0 said:What more do we need from this gen in graphics? Just add more memory, make it so games can run at 1080p and 60fps average, and great AA.
duk said:wow 11 pages for some off wall comment made by some regional VP which prob doesn't know squat about ps4 development
Jonm1010 said:I don't keep on all the profit news but isn't the bolded part just referring to they lost more on the ps3 than they earned on the ps2? And wasn't that article about three years ago?
Even if the rest of the console division doesn't have as much to cheer about.
Jonm1010 said:Maybe your right on the profits from royalties, a link would be more helpful than assertions and a shitty attitude.
On my end a quick google shows that up until last year $30 was charged in royalties for all Blu ray drives. If Sony is a slightly sub 30% stakeholder that's still 7 to 9 dollars per every drive sold or put into a PC. Thats not including disc royalties or logo royalties or money paid when using the name for advertising purposes etc. I would say considering they have this format as the standard for the next 4-10 years that is in fact a significant achievement for Sony with a large bit of help from ps3.
Does it erase the errors of the ps3 as a whole? Maybe not. Your link instead of dickish responses could help partially clear that up.
Great tech, but for a price that isn't going to alienate everyone.
And add in 4 GBs of RAM.Proelite said:The route they took last gen was anomaly for both MS and Sony.
MS: New technology with Xenos. 4 year development time means technology is rushed into the market.
SONY: Immature technology with Cell that had manufacturing yield rates of 20%. New technology with Blu-ray.
Question for the techies:
How powerful would a $200-300 AMD APU in 2012 be? Vice versa, a $200-300 (cell + Nvidia GPU).