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SplatoonJP twitter - details about voice chat and matchmaking with friends on Switch

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KingSnake

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boiled goose said:
The fact that people have tons of legitimate critical questions means they aren't communicating well enough.

Wtf are you defending this?

The system launches in a month. people want to know how it works before buying.
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WhiteWaterM00se said:
I respectfully disagree. They haven't told us anything about the virtual console, little about the UI, and snipits in the press and social media isn't explaining anything about online.

Look at it from a non gamer perspective. From a shareholders perspective, I'm livid. Its dollars and cents. That's it. Their stock has been continually falling since they haven't be upfront about Switch details and conference. That preposterous Jan event was ridiculous to anyone living outside Japan. Show me details, Nintendo games, and third party support! They have failed on all fronts. Maybe I'm expecting too much. But I don't think so. I'm not asking for every third party title on Sony and Xbox to show up on Switch. I'm not naive. Get some titles though! But show me why there has been software droughts the last several years.

Very very disappointing.
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I'm talking about this specific feature, not in general.
 
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BlackBuzzard

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Nintendo elephant strikes again.
 
Polygonal_Sprite

Polygonal_Sprite

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The only plus point to this and the lack of apps and a browser is that it might free up 1GB of the consoles memory for games which could be a life saver for third party support.
 
WhiteWaterM00se

WhiteWaterM00se

Member
nightside said:
Well, the tweet is about team chat in a team based shooter, it should be a given that you would be having only your team mates in your channel. I mean, they are specifically referring to splatoon here.



Well, the app is technically free with the online subscription. Just like on Live you only can access party chat with a gold subscription (unless something changed in the last years and I'm not aware of it).
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Your right about that. But what throws me is does that mean in MK8 w can't chat with everyone in battle mode or race mode?


Your point is made though. We do need to wait for more information.
 
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DrArchon

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I'm trying to save my judgment for when we get actual details, but man, that little picture of the squid juggling two devices isn't doing a whole lot to convince me. Nintendo better have a really fucking good reason for not having all of this done through one device.
 
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brawly

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Remember when people said "wait until further confirmation" after it came out of Reggie's own mouth, like he'd forgotten it was optional. Good times. This is reality and it's shit.
 
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Siege.exe

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marrec said:
Sorry, smartphones have spoiled me with actually well designed apps and UI. It's not my fault consoles are so far behind in this regard.
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Oregano said:
Nah, I agree. Touch screen is better but that doesn't meant it should be the only way.

I think Smartphone App integration is an amazing option. Even being able to pump voice chat through a phone.
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Touchscreens are great, sure. But marrec said that console social functions are "100% cumbersome", and I'm just having trouble understanding how pressing X a few times can be defined as cumbersome. Because it reads like utter bullshit with 0 justification for having those features absent from the system's OS, and it really doesn't require some quirky level of navigation to accomplish. But okay, whatever.
 
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Ridley327

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Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule said:
Just let me play online without my smartphone, i don't care about voice chat at all.
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There's nothing out there suggesting that you can't already do this. The system is launching with games with online play ahead of this app, and is going to continue to receive games with online play until the app launches. The only question is what kind of matchmaking features are present in those games.
 
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QuixoticNeutral

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The heart of the problem here is that they began to tell us all about their nifty smartphone app prematurely, before establishing any context whatsoever for what it adds or supplements in their existing system on the console. It seems likely that they perceive it internally as a distinct feature set not offered by the competition. There would be a lot less confusion if we heard what was supported on the console first, regardless of how much or little it is. As it stands, we still have no idea what's going on because for all that they are trying to tell us about the smartphone integration, we have to infer everything else around it by omission.

From the quarterly earnings presentation this week, Kimishima indicated that voice chat was actually a concession to demands in the western market. There may have been a failure of market research here in terms of what kind of use cases that really entailed.

For my part, I always mute voice communication with strangers and am mostly grumpy that I have to subsidize a totally superfluous feature set when I just want to play Splatoon the way I did on the Wii U, for free.
 
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Skittzo0413

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brawly said:
Remember when people said "wait until further confirmation" after it came out of Reggie's own mouth, like he'd forgotten it was optional. Good times. This is reality and it's shit.
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Did you read the full translation in the OP? Nothing suggests this is mandatory for online or even voice chat.

Although again, nothing suggests it isn't mandatory either. We have to wait on OS details before coming to any conclusions here.

QuixoticNeutral said:
The heart of the problem here is that they began to tell us all about their nifty smartphone app prematurely, before establishing any context whatsoever for what it adds or supplements in their existing system on the console. It seems likely that they perceive it internally as a distinct feature set not offered by the competition. There would be a lot less confusion if we heard what was supported on the console first, regardless of how much or little it is. As it stands, we still have no idea what's going on because for all that they are trying to tell us about the smartphone integration, we have to infer everything else around it by omission.
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Yup, this is absolutely right. It's classic Nintendo messaging- focus on one specific aspect and forget to mention the context, which leads to horrible confusion. Hey Nintendo, please hire a messaging specialist! I'm available...
 
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KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
QuixoticNeutral said:
The heart of the problem here is that they began to tell us all about their nifty smartphone app prematurely, before establishing any context whatsoever for what it adds or supplements in their existing system on the console. It seems likely that they perceive it internally as a distinct feature set not offered by the competition. .
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But the competition also has smartphone apps.
 
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GinoFelino

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Ridley327 said:
I get that, but since we're talking about a phone here, the amount of available headset options drops off a bit, no? With Sony and MS opting to use proprietary wireless frequencies for allowed headsets, it seems like those are already a bit of a moot point to bring up. Wired is definitely a different story for the ones that can carry audio without having to be plugged in via USB for power, but I can't say I see a lot of people breaking out a lot of those headsets for their phone in the first place.

I guess there is that feeling that Nintendo is figuring that people are just going to put their phones on speaker for the most part, which...well, seems like par for the course for them.
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If the Joycon grip and the Pro controller had an audio jack, the problem would have been solved and everyone could've just had all audio go through their apple earpods or whatever they use on their phones...

But it's surely only a matter of time (Nintendo pls) until you can stream all audio to your Bluetooth headset and use it for chat as well. The headphone jack is dead, after all.
 
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boiled goose

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KingSnake said:
I'm talking about this specific feature, not in general.
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I have legitimate questions about THIS feature.

Is the friend list universal (sounds like it should be but as I said, Nintendo has FOUR separate friend lists right now)

Is in app matchmaking an option or the only option?

Is app integration an os level feature or only game by game integration?

What's the solution for voicechat in portable mode?

Are these not legitimate questions??
Has Nintendo already answered these??
 
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marrec

Banned
Regiruler said:
What the fuck does this even mean?

The voice chat isn't being visually rendered.
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We're talking about overall system resources, not visual rendering capability. Voice chat would reduce battery life, and they may have decided to make a trade off between that and screensize, brightness, and rendering capability. It's clear that the Switch COULD handle voice chat given the hardware.

brawly said:
Are you unaware of the difference in power?
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See above.
 
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Bony Manifesto

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Is this actually a sticking point for anybody though? Obviously it seems a no-brainer to have voice chat through the console rather than a phone app, but frankly, it's unlikely I'll be interested in either case. Whether they implement a feature that's been standard since the original Xbox Live or not, it isn't exactly a selling point to get me to enter into yet another subscription service.
 
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KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
boiled goose said:
I have legitimate questions about THIS feature.

Is the friend list universal (sounds like it should be but as I said, Nintendo has FOUR separate friend lists right now)

Is in app matchmaking an option or the only option?

Is app integration an os level feature or only game by game integration?

What's the solution for voicechat in portable mode?

Are these not legitimate questions??
Has Nintendo already answered these??
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No, of course they haven't. Knowing Nintendo we might not even get answers until summer when the app is in trial.
 
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boiled goose

good with gravy
Bony Manifesto said:
Is this actually a sticking point for anybody though? Obviously it seems a no-brainer to have voice chat through the console rather than a phone app, but frankly, it's unlikely I'll be interested in either case. Whether they implement a feature that's been standard since the original Xbox Live or not, it isn't exactly a selling point to get me to enter into yet another subscription service.
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Lack of proper online integration is a huge issue for me. It could be done properly through an app. I'm just very very skeptical
 
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boiled goose

good with gravy
KingSnake said:
No, of course they haven't. Knowing Nintendo we might not even get answers until summer when the app is in trial.
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We may be able to infer a bit from online functionality at launch. I'll fill in the blanks by assuming the worst. This is Nintendo and online after all.
 
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Siege.exe

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Bony Manifesto said:
Is this actually a sticking point for anybody though? Obviously it seems a no-brainer to have voice chat through the console rather than a phone app, but frankly, it's unlikely I'll be interested in either case. Whether they implement a feature that's been standard since the original Xbox Live or not, it isn't exactly a selling point to get me to enter into yet another subscription service.
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It absolutely is. Why should I pay for a service that isn't even doing the bare minimum?
 
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MHWilliams

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Effect said:
They likely will be. They haven't talked about the OS and UI in general yet. They did before the Wii U launched so it's likely coming. This Splatoon info isn't actually any different from what we've heard before but we ultimately need to see what Nintendo has planned in action.

Worse cast scenario is this.

You play online with no voice chat. Which is what you experienced on the Wii U. What you likely experience on the PS4, XBO, and PC when you don't bother to hock up a headset or go into the options and turn off voice chat. Let's be very honest here. A LOT, LOT of people do just that. The vast majority of people don't bother with voice chat even when there is an option. If you use discord or something similar you'll continue to use that and go about your day.

The app is apart of the overall package and will do a lot more then just voice chat. You can likely just ignore the voice chat feature like so many do on other systems. You aren't paying for the app. You're paying for the access to online play.

Best case scenario.

The App is actually easy to use and somehow makes things better without to much trouble. Maybe some of it's features are integrated into the system OS itself. People still put people on mute and the vast majority still don't bother with the voice chat feature.

The voice chat isn't the biggest issue here and never was. What the online service is like in terms of server stability, speed, discounts, downloadable games, price, etc are all far more important and bigger unknowns. That people zero in on this, feel so angry, when it's such a small aspect and an aspect people generally ignore has been really confusing.
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I'd normally write a long counterpoint, but I'm writing news this morning and I don't have the energy. This is mostly a dodge.

Comprehensive online at a system level is a rather basic requirement for modern devices that play games. The Switch, given what we know so far, does not have that. This is a problem.

Nintendo's communication on the matter, given the launch of the Switch in a month, has been less than adequate. This is also a problem.

I understand your love for a system or company, but it does nothing to handwave legitimate problems and criticisms away. We had a lot of that in the beginning of the Wii U's era and those problems bore rotten fruit. We had the same with the 3DS and its pricing early on, but Nintendo was able to acknowledge those problems and move forward. Success is found from playing towards your strengths and learning for criticism available. The latter requires acknowledgement.

The sky isn't falling. But neither is this a good situation for online service. (Again, given what we currently know.)
 
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Shahadan

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MatrixMan.EXE said:
Shit excuse. Vita was able to do this on a system level in 2011.
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the fucking DS had voice chat in some games. They know how to do it, they're not acting like "omg voice chat is hard guyz"
When it was talked about in the specs thread months ago people thought it was a clever idea and now it's apparently dumb.

I'm not sure how annoying it'll actually be to use, but it'll save battery life which is already small and ressources who are already weak.
 
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nightside

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WhiteWaterM00se said:
Your right about that. But what throws me is does that mean in MK8 w can't chat with everyone in battle mode or race mode?


Your point is made though. We do need to wait for more information.
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Oh my God I really hope you'd be able to chat with everyone in a all vs all game like Mario Kart. Would be utterly stupid otherwise.

Oregano said:
I think Smartphone App integration is an amazing option. Even being able to pump voice chat through a phone.
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Yup. Option.
I want to get my console out of sleep mode when docked and launch the game from my app. I'm too accustomed to chromecast. Extreme laziness but would be cool.
 
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Bony Manifesto

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Siege.exe said:
It absolutely is. Why should I pay for a service that isn't even doing the bare minimum?
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But that's my point - even 'the bare minimum' isn't good enough for an online subscription service in this day and age. Even if Nintendo do come to their senses and have voice chat on the console itself, how it that a selling point in 2017?
 
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_Ryo_

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I get it now. The Switch was made for Octopuses. Finally, Nintendo learns to be inclusive.

Seriously though, this is hella dumb.
 
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Metal B

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People: "Nobody is going to buy handheld systems, since everybody has a smartphones. Nintendo is so backwards!"

Nintendo introduces handheld, which need a smartphone app for voice-chat.

People: "Omg. Not everybody has a smartphone. Nintendo is so backwards!".

Nintendo:
original



Okay, let's be real here. This is probably a way to free more RAM and get more time out of Switch's battery-life. This is stupid for the console part, but very useful for the handheld one. Since it is a hybrid, the handheld will dictate the limitations of the device.
Is it annoying? Yes, especially if you want to hear the audio and chat with people. Is it a big deal breaker? No. Let's have a closer look at it first.

Still the communication with the media and consumers about this important part is really bad. People should altrough wait, until we get the price of the online services before dooming it. It could be more inexpensive then the other two services. Nobody is forced to buy anything at launch (which is also bad for Nintendo) and concerned people should simply wait.
 
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Kuni

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Yeah this just sucks. Still no clarity or even a video of it in action a mere month away.

They still haven't clarified how we'll listen to both game audio and chat. I'm guessing there is no way, that takes some serious bubble mentality to not consider basic use cases that have been around for a long long time.

This is classic Nintendo on hardware, just not executing well enough with polish attention to detail.

And again, it's coming out in just a month. Just sad to see really.
 
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calc84maniac

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nightside said:
Oh my God I really hope you'd be able to chat with everyone in a all vs all game like Mario Kart. Would be utterly stupid otherwise.
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Do you really want random 12-year-olds screaming at you?

Well, I'm sure Nintendo doesn't want random people screaming at their 12-year-olds, which is probably the real issue here.
 
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