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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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By that time Rey will get some training, and will wipe the floor with him again.
Legit suggestion (from trailers)
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Who Are You?
7.5 thrusts out of 10
Palpatine.
Raitosaito
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No film will likely mention it again, and the expanded canon can continue to use it but no future director or writer will touch midis with a ten foot pole.
Yep. Those sequences are fun to watch, but very hollow. Every other scene in the film actually tied to some type of character development and that's why it didn't gell with me too much.
Subpar Spatula
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If he cuts his wrists before each fight does it make him stronger?
Naw, we don't have to roll with it. That's dumb.
Yeah I think towards the end of the film, cutting between all the characters both in the base and on the bombing run, it really hammered home the fact that this is ANH for the current generation, embracing diversity and wanting to open Star Wars up to as wide an audience as possible. It felt pretty good to see, regardless of the shortcomings in the narrative or the lack of originality in any of the film.
Candeldandel
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Just saw it, loved it and loved the characters despite the little flaws. Lupita's character was SO COOL!! She might be my fave after Rey. And I think I woulda liked Phasma more if I got to see her face... :/ Maybe next film. Definitely better than what I expected, so I'm happy.
Edit: Also, the representation was truely inspiring. I was so happy to see such a huge variety of people in the cast.
Edit: Also, the representation was truely inspiring. I was so happy to see such a huge variety of people in the cast.
Well there was Miles from Lost. Not sure about the other. Unless you count Greg Grunberg who barely counts as a Lost "actor" as he was dead in the pilot episode.
Kabuki Waq
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did anyone else feel Finn was really well adjusted for someone raised as a child soldier?
I cringed at a lot of his Whoos and cheesy lines.
I cringed at a lot of his Whoos and cheesy lines.
CrowdChant
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In addition to Ren being weakened from his injuries and still mentally tormented after killing his father, I think the fact that Rey had discovered her abilities with the Force is another factor as to why he couldn't just paralyze her again.
Because then the fight would end in two seconds.
You can watch every single lightsaber fight from Episode 1 to 7 and in each one you could have ended the fight thousands of times if they used force powers.
Adrenaline? He was too injured to even force call the lightsaber so maybe force paralyze was not possible.
Out of the three directors, I think Rian Johnson has the toughest job if you ask me. But he's very talented so I'm sure he'll pull it off and make a great film.
In my opinion, the second movie is usually the most important part of any trilogy.
Usually the first movies in a trilogy (Batman Begins, The Force Awakens) are more character driven, and they're intended to just set up and introduce new characters.
But it's the second movie (Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight) where the story has to get more plot heavy and deeper.
Even if Colin Trevarro fucks up, people will just excuse it and say, "Well, the third movies in most trilogies are usually the weakest. The Dark Knight Rises, Return of the Jedi, Spider-Man 3, Jurassic Park 3, Terminator 3, The Godfather part 3".
In my opinion, the second movie is usually the most important part of any trilogy.
Usually the first movies in a trilogy (Batman Begins, The Force Awakens) are more character driven, and they're intended to just set up and introduce new characters.
But it's the second movie (Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight) where the story has to get more plot heavy and deeper.
Even if Colin Trevarro fucks up, people will just excuse it and say, "Well, the third movies in most trilogies are usually the weakest. The Dark Knight Rises, Return of the Jedi, Spider-Man 3, Jurassic Park 3, Terminator 3, The Godfather part 3".
eyeball_kid
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Being adept with a staff and hand-to-hand combat doesn't mean you can pick up a lightsaber and swing it around like a Jedi. Luke trained with a Jedi master and it still took him another movie before he stopped having his ass handed to him by Vader. But I know this is one of those topics that people seem entrenched on, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
I can agree that Jedi fighting levels changed over the course of the OT; the Obi-Wan and Vader fight was geriatric compared to ROTJ, though that was partly due to technology constraints with the sabers. But IMO they got to silly levels in the prequels and ROTJ is a good compromise between dramatic tension and eye-catching action.
That's a pretty good explanation, thanks. I wasn't really sure where Finn was stationed before he escaped; I guess he was on the Star Destroyer?
Since some of you have seen the movie a bunch of times, does anyone remember exactly which point of the movie the exchange between Ren and Snoke happens where he says "There has been an awakening, have you felt it?". Since it clearly wasn't at the end of the movie, what does the "awakening" even refer to? It's not Rey is it?
Yea he's too normal but the alternative is having some neurotic or edgy guy along with Rey.
Yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way... him up in Phasma's face comedically like... very Disney/Marvel of them to do that. This is someone who took you from your parents and trained you to kill innocent lives... the "happy go lucky" reaction is not one I expect out of that character.
Prof. Bathtub
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Amuro. Being both force-sensitive AND a newtype explains her stacking stat boosts in piloting and mental abilities.
bananafactory
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Only when he has his earbuds in with My Chemical Romance on loop
Dude is unstable. He had just killed his dad, got shot by Uncle Chewie, saw what he felt was his birthright used by a traitor and then stolen from his grasp by some junk scavenger. He threw big fits over a lot less earlier in the movie and during those times he just swung his saber around in anger. Same thing with his last fit against Rey and Finn.
Seriously? He wrecked shit. He stopped a blaster bolt which I didn't even know was a thing.
ok so obviously I didn't miss anything.
and it's not Skywalker. She says "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth"
I think it's annoying they avoided her last name. Fin doesn't have one because he was a number, but Rey obviously would have a last name. She's not Madonna.
Bobby Roberts
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up.
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Mr. Pointy
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So as I said in the non-spoiler thread, I thought TFA was a good 8/10 movie. Around the level of ANH, weaker than ESB better than ROTJ and the prequels.
The main things that brought it down from a 9 or a 9.5 for me was that, for one, it borrowed a little too much from ANH / OT, particularly the last battle over Starkiller Base. That pretty much was Death Star I and Death Star II / Endor mashed together. The X-Wing parts of that battle dragged it down a bit - I didn't think they were executed all that well. I knew, more or less, that TFA was going to retread ANH a bit from watching the trailers, and I was okay with that, and I felt the other beats they hit worked.
And two, I wasn't a fan of Snoke and Hux. I guess Snoke is being set up for the sequels, but I didn't care for him honestly. And Hux is just discount Tarkin - his speech was okay, but I didn't care for him otherwise.
Also, I though Daisy Ridley's acting was a bit stiff when she's just having to bounce off BB-8 on Jakku, but she got better after that.
I really liked the rest of the movie. Rey, Finn, Ren and Poe are all great. They all got great chemistry with each other and their comic timing is down. Han Solo is great. Leia is great. Kylo Ren is prequel Anakin done right. Rey and Finn are great together
J.J. Abrams pretty much nailed that OT Star Wars feel down. There's some beautiful shots in film.
I'll probably watch it again in the theater once or twice more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYvn5Hqf7pY
The main things that brought it down from a 9 or a 9.5 for me was that, for one, it borrowed a little too much from ANH / OT, particularly the last battle over Starkiller Base. That pretty much was Death Star I and Death Star II / Endor mashed together. The X-Wing parts of that battle dragged it down a bit - I didn't think they were executed all that well. I knew, more or less, that TFA was going to retread ANH a bit from watching the trailers, and I was okay with that, and I felt the other beats they hit worked.
And two, I wasn't a fan of Snoke and Hux. I guess Snoke is being set up for the sequels, but I didn't care for him honestly. And Hux is just discount Tarkin - his speech was okay, but I didn't care for him otherwise.
Also, I though Daisy Ridley's acting was a bit stiff when she's just having to bounce off BB-8 on Jakku, but she got better after that.
I really liked the rest of the movie. Rey, Finn, Ren and Poe are all great. They all got great chemistry with each other and their comic timing is down. Han Solo is great. Leia is great. Kylo Ren is prequel Anakin done right. Rey and Finn are great together
and I'm 90% sure they fucking in real life.
J.J. Abrams pretty much nailed that OT Star Wars feel down. There's some beautiful shots in film.
I'll probably watch it again in the theater once or twice more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYvn5Hqf7pY
It's Rey although I can see it expanded into Finn.
Subpar Spatula
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Not explained so no need to assume.
Then replace it with something more substantial than subpar sword play in a forest. All this fight showed is how Ren is a complete jobber when the story demands it.
Raitosaito
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Similar to a cutter, inflicting self pain helps with feeling like you are in control. Especially after taking a hit like that.
WrenchNinja
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Rey should have used force powers after meditating instead of a shonen power up
Rey Revan.
Snoke is killed in Episode 9 when Rey resurrects her ancestor, Darth Revan.
Nice.
yeah he's super powerful but he doesn't have good control and can flip out and screw up pretty easily.
Raitosaito
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What am I reading right now?
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Couldn't they just lift an object they're standing on?
That's a Sith for ya.
That's not retconning. Bobba Fett will probably never be mentioned again in the new episodes, does that means he got retconned too?
I'm all for disliking a certain aspect of a story, but this kneejerking of "LALALALALALA IT NEVER HAPPENED" rubs me the wrong way, stories have bad parts, it's not the end of the world.
Fantastic review. Agree with all of it.
I know they mentioned that if Luke comes back then the new jedi will come. It probably is Rey or maybe they just mean a lot of people. I'm not sure on how to pluralize jedi.
FlashbladeGAF
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Your acting like chewie's blaster was always this powerful.
Its a serious upgrade from the OT
And what true fighting experience does kylo really have since he is basically using a cheat code in all his battles, which seem to be over by the time he arrives. And his temper tantrums abd lack of will show us he isnt using the force at a level anywhere close to luke or that of a normal jedi or sith.
Hes a skywalker so he has the potential but rey is a survivor and possibly a skywalker as well. Evenly matched (although with varying attributes) over all, especially with ren being injured
Subpar Spatula
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I'm confused as to how that helps? Looked like he was a gorilla pounding his chest to seem strong or he was channeling his inner Alright Alright Alright *hums*
He helped kill the Jedis in training (and the corpses indicate there was a bunch). This is supposedly long ago as well. He's not some punk guy who can't fight, he can't fight when the story demands it.
Pain fuels the dark side.
"Why didn't they just use force powers?" Is the Jedi equivalent of ""Why didn't they just shoot out the tires?"
How would a broad even know how to fight?
How would a broad even know how to fight?
Bobby Roberts
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Wait, when do we need to have Thread #2 for this up?
Should I just start it and then PM a mod to close this one?
Should I just start it and then PM a mod to close this one?
I think my main question with that whole fight is why didn't Kylo just force choke him? He could have just laughed when Finn turned on the lightsaber and choked him to death. Game over. But nope. Doesn't make any sense to me, especially when Kylo seems to be much stronger with force abilities than he is with actual combat.
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