Generic shooting. They got rid of the challenging platforming and puzzle solving.
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Square Enix: Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, & Hitman all broke even, sequels implied
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Generic shooting. They got rid of the challenging platforming and puzzle solving.
That's still gameplay. Fun gameplay at that. I loved that game.
Sure, a single level of annivesary has more puzzles and platforming than the entirety of TR 2013. But TR 2013 had plenty of the modern gameplay: upgrades, guns, finishing moves, insanely strong evasive rolls, really generous counter windows, and tacked on multi-player.
But that gameplay is incredibly shallow and monotonous. You get it a dime a dozen in the current gaming market. Tomb Raider didn't even do that gameplay in an outstanding and interesting way.
You should probably spoiler mark this post, I know I didn't expect ending spoliers for Sleeping Dogs in a thread about S-E's financials.
DOBERMAN INC
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What about Dues Ex? I'd rather have a sequel to that first.
You mean Enix Eidos right, because they make money with Dragon Quest, not with Final Fantasy.
Acquiescence
Member
Huh, I've actually ended up playing all three of these. Don't care about the other two, but Sleeping Dogs 2?!
Time to go to China.
Time to go to China.
I forgot Tomb Raider had multiplayer.
Maybe the next Sleeping Dogs should be in south Korea. For two good reasons.
1: How many games are set in Korea? It would be an unique experience.
2: South Korea has strict gun laws, a good excuse to not have shoot shoot shoot in the whole game.
Miles Quaritch
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highly unlikely, but do you like matrix in your Hitman game?
this is a concept art for their next hitman game.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=44798222
Jesus Christ. What the fuck is that.
SJRB
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Tricky I Shadow
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TheContact
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This. Sleeping Dogs is a fun game
Miles Quaritch
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I;ll never understand the complaint. The gameplay was incredibly satisfying for the most part, using the bow was fantastic. Incredibly satisfying pulling off headshots, etc.
I get that people weren't happy with the cinematic approach, but the gameplay itself was incredibly solid and satisfying. Much more so than that in Absolution for example.
Canis lupus
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Oh man, more Sleeping Dogs 
Shanghai would be cool, I would be very happy with that.
But I would still prefer South Korea, Seoul for example. Just seems more unique in my mind.
I kinda liked Absolution despite some messy mechanics and design choices, if SE Montreal focuses more on sandbox-y level instead of the more linear and restricted levels of Absolution the new one could turn out into a fine Hitman game.
Yay for the other two.
Yay for the other two.
I vote for Malaysia for setting of the next Sleepy Dawgs!
need4speed
Banned
I'd rather get a DE:HR sequel, I guess Eidos Montreal is busy with Thief now.
If only Oprah gifs could show us how the game wasn't a disappointment for people wanting Tomb Raider gameplay.
The stealth battles in Tomb Raider were fun, but there were very few of them. The majority of the gameplay was very monotonous cover shooting. The platforming and puzzles were dumbed down to the point that they may as well not be called those words.
sublimit
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Oh there will be plenty of gameplay!!Magnetic and inconsistent platforming,easy as fuck puzzles,QTEs,scenes where you will only be able to walk,button prompts showing you where a tomb (or actually a cave) is,tons of pointless combat,and cutscene upon cutscene in every few minutes.
Have no fear modern gamer,we got you covered!!
mcfishstick
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I'll take Sleeping Dogs 2.
Just budget a bit better, 'kay Square?
Also, I wouldn't mind having two protagnists, one a triad and one a policeman. Police dude plays like Shen in the Snake year dlc, triad guy smashes people in the face with telephones.
Also less shooting, and a bit less driving, or ability to call taxi for fast travel.
Just budget a bit better, 'kay Square?
Also, I wouldn't mind having two protagnists, one a triad and one a policeman. Police dude plays like Shen in the Snake year dlc, triad guy smashes people in the face with telephones.
Also less shooting, and a bit less driving, or ability to call taxi for fast travel.
toastyToast
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It was mostly inoffensive, I guess. It did the whole shooting dudes thing pretty well but who was asking for that in Tomb Raider? I'll disagree on one aspect, the tombs were horribly unsatisfying. I was legitimately mad when I got the achievement for completing all of them. My God! There was a hint button too, why the fuck were they so easy? Why waste so much time modelling those lovely environments when most people are gonna spend 90s in them tops? At least make them multi-tiered. Something
There's this one where you shoot the magical exploding gas, climb a ledge and jump across. That's it. Why?
semiconscious
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That is not official. It was made in some sort of "competition" or "public showcase".
NullPointer
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Its in the title. Its as hard to miss as TR's optional tombs.
But whatever. Combat is all people need. I know this now.
It's cool... I don't mind one bit. Nope. Not at all. Nuh uh.
*sobs*
You and me both.
Glass Rebel
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Sleeping Dogs was a great first entry. It fixed many issues I have with most open-world games and the setting and story, despite some inconsistencies, were really refreshing. I still think there's room for improvement though. The combat, while deeper than most Western games, still has some untapped potential. Punches and kicks need to be separate, combos need to flow better and it needs more moves. The gunfights were decent for the most part but going with the Hong Kong cinema theme it really needs to approach Max Payne 3. The
was probably one of my favourite parts of the game, as it was an obvious homage to the last stretch of
, really needed some more spectacle in its gunfights. More power behind the guns, tighter hallways, more debris flying around, better enemy AI etc. Then there's the fact that the game world, while absolutely stunning both in graphics and design, was tragically empty in terms of actual content. If that helps keep the budget down I really don't mind but I found more and more that it didn't really need to be an open-world game if they don't take advantage of it. It was kinda worth it for the chases alone, even though on-foot controls need a bit more tweaking. Despite its rough edges, Sleeping Dogs was a great experience and I'd love to play a sequel that improves on it.
Tomb Raider was as weak as I expected it to be so I can't really complain. It had hints of greatness and with an improved combat system I could see the combat and stealth really being fun but not with the ridiculous invincibility frames of Lara's roll or the lazily patched together levels that didn't take advantage of her moveset. Shanty Town was the best area in this regard: A wide open area with lots of vertical geometry. Sadly the enemies are too stupid for a good combat scenario to manifest. The other elements are similarly shallow: The platforming is practically automatic and the puzzles are something a pre-schooler could solve. And the tombs were just insulting. The whole mentality of giving the player more positive feedback than he deserves permeates the design of the game from beginning to end and trivializes player input. If the most interesting things happening on screen aren't even done by me, why am I even playing the game? I don't even mind that it's such a departure from the Tomb Raider of old, it's just that it's so painfully mediocre in absolutely every regard. I only paid $25 so no hard feelings but I'm not exactly looking forward to Tomb Raider 2 if it's more of the same.
But Hitman: Absolution was the one that actually felt like a rip-off to me. Even writing about it just frustrates me to no end. It could have been so much better if it weren't for the ridiculously small levels and the stealth mechanics like the disguise "system" but even when it kinda sorta managed to grasp some of that Blood Money genius it didn't even come close. I'll be avoiding a sequel like the plague unless I can play like 3 hours beforehand.
tl;dr:
Sleepy Dawgs:
Tomb Raider: :|
Hitman:
hospital scene
Hard Boiled
Tomb Raider was as weak as I expected it to be so I can't really complain. It had hints of greatness and with an improved combat system I could see the combat and stealth really being fun but not with the ridiculous invincibility frames of Lara's roll or the lazily patched together levels that didn't take advantage of her moveset. Shanty Town was the best area in this regard: A wide open area with lots of vertical geometry. Sadly the enemies are too stupid for a good combat scenario to manifest. The other elements are similarly shallow: The platforming is practically automatic and the puzzles are something a pre-schooler could solve. And the tombs were just insulting. The whole mentality of giving the player more positive feedback than he deserves permeates the design of the game from beginning to end and trivializes player input. If the most interesting things happening on screen aren't even done by me, why am I even playing the game? I don't even mind that it's such a departure from the Tomb Raider of old, it's just that it's so painfully mediocre in absolutely every regard. I only paid $25 so no hard feelings but I'm not exactly looking forward to Tomb Raider 2 if it's more of the same.
But Hitman: Absolution was the one that actually felt like a rip-off to me. Even writing about it just frustrates me to no end. It could have been so much better if it weren't for the ridiculously small levels and the stealth mechanics like the disguise "system" but even when it kinda sorta managed to grasp some of that Blood Money genius it didn't even come close. I'll be avoiding a sequel like the plague unless I can play like 3 hours beforehand.
tl;dr:
Sleepy Dawgs:
Tomb Raider: :|
Hitman:
Gun Animal
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This makes me think---how many "new" IPs this gen were just spiritual successors to already existing IPs? Sleeping Dogs was originally a true crime game, Assassin's Creed was originally a Prince of Persia spin-off, Bioshock is a spiritual system shock sequel etc etc. How many AAA new IPs this gen weren't spiritual sequels of existing IPs?
It's not like Hong Kong really ever have shoot ups. Even in more recent triad movies like Election I & II, you never ever really see a gun.
Although I would like them to try Hong Kong again with next gen power and make feel more like the real place in terms of how busy and bustling it is, Shanghai would feel like the next logical step.
There isn't anything particularly iconic about Seoul. Even in Korean movies, it really feels like a fairly generic modern city. If they continue with the triad storyline, Thailand would also make sense and keep the fish out of water angle for Wei.
Combat was significantly improved. However, the exploration, problem-solving and traversal were marginalized.
Setting it in Korea would allow the VA for Wei Shen to actually speak the local language instead of conjuring up the bizarre scenario where the triad would allow a banana (Chinese who doesn't speak Chinese) into their gang.
I wish they could, but we all know that the main character is always going to speak English no matter where he is.
The Praiseworthy
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It's so weird hearing people says they can't wait for Tomb Raider 2, because when I hear that the first thing that comes to my mind is:
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and please CD... how about some REAL TOMB RAIDING this time around?
Like you know...... exploring Tombs and solving a real puzzles -_-"
You can make TR with modern elements AND add the old ones too, it's NOT impossible.
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and please CD... how about some REAL TOMB RAIDING this time around?
Like you know...... exploring Tombs and solving a real puzzles -_-"
You can make TR with modern elements AND add the old ones too, it's NOT impossible.
Good for Eidos and fans of their games, not good news for fans who want to see Squaresoft change. I hope this new CEO sees things a lot different then Wada did, because if not expect the company approach to stay exactly the same. Their M.O. since buying Eidos has been "lets pull the wool over the eyes of Western gamers by making it look like we care about them. Here's a bunch of games (Eidos games) were making America and Europe wink wink. Meanwhile what little new games they are making that are new and creative are staying put in Japan.
JimmyRustler
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And yet it was a better game than Anniversary and Underworld...
It had more gameplay than Metroid Other M.
I really want to see Sleeping Dogs 2, the game just needed more content, and a sequel is perfect for that. Stick with Hong Kong pls. Shanghai would be great too.
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