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Suicide Squad director: "Wish I had a time machine"; would make Joker villian
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SuperStiltzkin
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It really did feel like he was chasing after Ledger's iconic performance though. The drawn out speech mannerism in particular stood out to me.
darkistheway
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Obviously, there are parallels - they are the same character. Leto brought a different feel. The Joker in the Dark Knight is heavier, more shaped by trauma and tradegy whereas in Suicide Squad, the Joker seems more born fully realized, without history.
The Joker has a couple of lines that I liked: "I am not someone who is loved. I'm an idea! State of mind. I execute my will according to my plan" and "Desire becomes surrender. Surrender becomes power."
I thought they were interesting lines, that were just thrown away in the movie.
In the Dark Knight, the Joker is creating chaos to prove a point. In Suicide Squad, he is literally chaos incarnate.
Of course, none of this makes the movie any good but I thought the Joker was interesting.
Techno music and women, obviously
GuitarAtomik
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Agreed. I don't think his actual acting is bad at all. It's just that he's not given any interesting material to set him apart. Ultimately it's a failure of the script (and the costume department).
theCalamity
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The Squad needs something more in line with their abilities and the movie should've capitalized on the disavowable nature of the team.
Nobody said he had to be dark. He was cringey. The acting was cringey. The writing was cringey. When he growled towards the beginning I wanted to die.
illmatic22
Banned
Nah we didn't need more of Heath Lesser.
Exactly. The superior Suicide Squad movie.
Found this comment on imdb interesting:
So yeah, you're right. Too bad he's directing Gotham City Sirens, because you know there's gonna be more of those stereotypes again.
triplestation
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mark my words this motherfucker will be cast as the next joker
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOUL OF ITS VICTIMS
I actually hadn't watched it since watching SS. I just did and my god, it's so good.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The comics don't explain it either. And I agree it's dumb.
Just make him the main villain in the second movie. What difference does it make? The first made a lot of money so there will be more of them. They could even do an Assault on Arkham angle that many wanted. Maybe have Batfleck lock Joker up by the end of the solo film and carry the story on.
Man, the villains have little to do with why the movie was bad. They're a bit generic and the action scenes are also pretty bad, but the characters in the squad, their interplay, and them just not being interesting enough to tow whatever overarching story they were trying to tell were the biggest problem.
They made an ensemble film where you weren't given a good reason to care about anyone, save for maybe Deadshot. Also the only good bits of dialogue were a few one-liners from Deadshot and Harley.
They made an ensemble film where you weren't given a good reason to care about anyone, save for maybe Deadshot. Also the only good bits of dialogue were a few one-liners from Deadshot and Harley.
Nemesis121
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The script took 6 weeks to write, they clearly rushed shit through to make this movie.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Assault on Arkham was infinitely better, but also pretty bad.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The joker isn't being handpicked by the US government to lead a black ops squad to take down super powered beings.
And regardless, the jokers genius isn't physical. Batman kicks his ass most of the time. Harley is being hired to try and stop superman level beings with her baseball bat.
And finally, the jokers origin is still ambiguous enough so that he could have some training. Harley's isn't.
BotoxAgent
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I loved the Joker in the Dark Knight because the movies felt like a crime movie at times, the stakes felt believable.
Never saw suicide squad though but it looks silly af
Never saw suicide squad though but it looks silly af
Discotheque
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I think the joker really worked in the scenes when he was alone. Like when he threatened that prison guard and shit. I think he was fine in moments like that
Its when he was paired with harley is when we had some garbage scenes. I don't mind if he comes back in batman but leave harley Quinn behind. She has another movie coming out anyways
Ledger joker is a far better look for me but I like the new swag joker aside from that forehead tattoo. I think the rest of the tattoos and gaudy chains and grill and stuff are an interesting look. I hope they stick with it instead of being scared away by the geeks.
Its when he was paired with harley is when we had some garbage scenes. I don't mind if he comes back in batman but leave harley Quinn behind. She has another movie coming out anyways
Ledger joker is a far better look for me but I like the new swag joker aside from that forehead tattoo. I think the rest of the tattoos and gaudy chains and grill and stuff are an interesting look. I hope they stick with it instead of being scared away by the geeks.
period
AuthenticM
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We know you had nothing to do with the final film's state, Ayer. Stop trying to cover for Warner Bros.'s shit.
Dash_Riprock
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And this..
The Salt Life
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This....I mean granted, i would have been bummed already knowing the twist but still that would have been perfect.
But at the same time....I really....really really did not like Jared Leto as the Joker.
I don't think I liked Harley Quinn either, she had her moments where I was like "yes that's harley quinn" but then were other moments were I was like "ugh you're trying way too hard right now"
Oh well, hopefully Justice League is Time Machine ready before release.
Yeah, the only person whose abilities this seemed geared towards was Katana's because HER BLADE TRAPS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS!
Strangelove77
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I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT GETTING KILLED BY HER!
I mean also SHE CAN CUT YOU IN HALF WITH ONE SWORD STROKE JUST LIKE MOWIN' THE LAWN
Well besides the fact that harley is in the current team and the only reason Harley is in the current team is due to her popularity.
Wow.. lmao
For which he later apologized for.
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/760301061299179520?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Is is this a troll? He was clearly the main bad guy.
leto's joker performance wasn't even close to being the worst thing about this film. i agree with discotheque: he was bad in some scenes and decent in others. much like his costume, leto's performance is overdone to poor effect at times. that club scene was - and i know that people don't like this word's usage on the internet but i can't think of anything else that adequately conveys this better right now - cringey as all hell (especially when leto laughs behind his tattooed hand - ugh).
but out of everything this piece of shit film had to offer at least he was a little bit interesting.
i haven't seen the extended version yet (and to be honest, i'd rather not have to sit through this shite again), only the theatrical - so can anyone who's seen it tell me whether the harley and joker subplot is properly developed this time like a normal, functioning subplot integral to one of the main character's motivations, seeing as it was advertised to show some of the cut joker scenes?
but out of everything this piece of shit film had to offer at least he was a little bit interesting.
i haven't seen the extended version yet (and to be honest, i'd rather not have to sit through this shite again), only the theatrical - so can anyone who's seen it tell me whether the harley and joker subplot is properly developed this time like a normal, functioning subplot integral to one of the main character's motivations, seeing as it was advertised to show some of the cut joker scenes?
broncobuster
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True, but by playing the game he's able to continue his career and is attached to another DC movie. Josh Trank spoke up and they dropped him from doing a Star Wars spin-off, among other things.
TheRedSnifit
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They need to make a movie based on Joker's Favor or Friends.
WB has a long history of dismissing the comics and directly related media as not "good enough" for movies. Check out The Death of Superman Lives for a good look at just how much contempt WB has always had for comic book stuff. By all accounts the situation has not improved in the intervening 20 years, although Geoff Johns' new position might finally start to shift that.
FlashbladeGAF
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If Joker is the main villain, why not just call Batman?
Edit: Probably mentioned already
Edit: Probably mentioned already
SargerusBR
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And redesign the Joker
A blockbuster has to have a "blockbuster" story in their eyes, I guess. Enjoy another underdeveloped CG villain and blue sky beam instead of a proper Suicide Squad story.
Monocle
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But that wouldn't make sense, you see, because the Squad was created by Waller to battle hostile Inhumans, possibly as strong as Superman! Which they are totally qualified for!
Valkerionseven
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Same, that was a Justice League level villain. While they occasionally do fight crazy shit in the comics, SS is definitely better at telling smaller covert stories or stuff thats going on while -insert hero or super group- is fighting. Having confirmed other heroes being around at the time like Flash made me question where they were the entire damn time.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Isn't the stated reason for the movie SS to fight high powered super heroes that get out of line? Fighting the joker in the first movie would seem to go against that mission. I mean, fighting one of their own people who went AWOL wasn't much better but at least it was kinda in line with their purpose.
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