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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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I hope both versions have dual screen FMVs.
I just remembered how bad I wanted a dual screen Metroid video when I first played this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Hnja6pOuw
I just remembered how bad I wanted a dual screen Metroid video when I first played this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Hnja6pOuw
RealDeadOne
Member
Aren't characters made by a second-party studio by definition actually first-party characters, since the IP owner is not the second-party, IE Ratchet & Clank?
Or are you just asking about characters not made by Nintendo, but for Nintendo games, like Diddy Kong
or Geno
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Geno is completely different situation, but no.
I meant those series that only second party companies only worked on.
Golden Sun, Sin and Punishment, Endless Ocean, Harmoknight, Drill Dozer, Custom Robo, Fossil Fighters, Chibi-Robo, Legendary Stafy, etc.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
ganondorf is a reincarnation not a puppet, ganondorf can do whatever he likes really.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
YOU'RE A PRETTY BORING CHARACTER OUTSIDE YOUR OWN GAMES.
Why, Sakurai, why...
Wario already stole his one special move!
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
It's ironic that since I haven't played Other M, I feel pretty nonchalant towards its representations in Smash Bros., whereas those to have actually suffered the game feel affronted. With most cases the effect would probably be reversed.
Ive played other M and Im not affronted at all really, then again im not much of a metroid fanboy despite owning every single console metroid game.
why would it be 1997? Star fox was 1993.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
lmfao nice, funny on multiple levels
RealDeadOne
Member
In that case, yeah, I think they have a chance, but unfortunately all of those franchises are a bit too small to warrant a character except Custom Robo and that's pushing it already.
IMO Assist Trophy is a fine place for them, and I'd be very surprised if there weren't Harmoknight and Chibi-Robo ATs in the game, I could even see a Chibi-Robo stage making it in on 3DS. I've never played Golden Sun but apparently Isaac is popular enough to warrant inclusion on a lot of people's lists so I could see him getting in potentially.
Since Ridley is too big, Sakurai has decided to instead include a Ridley Pony.
brb scrubbing my search history
Edit: I'm sorry for beginning the new page like this, I'll disappear forever now
Excellent, excellent. could you do another one only this time with
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT TO SEE?
SenorArdilla
Member
That can't be all Stafy does, can it? Granted I've never played his games so I wouldn't know.
balladofwindfishes
Member
He used to have a reason for attacking Hyrule.
Now all that can just be brought down to "he's an evil spirit reincarnated" basically getting rid of the last 15 years of decent character development Ganon had. It makes it seem like he's not doing this of his own will, but because he's Demise reincarnated.
And the copyright font size is way too big for an HD game's title screen. Did they even try? lol
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think even reincarnation is being too literal.
"Puppet" is hilariously missing the point of something that isn't even very subtle.
MrSaturn99
Member
Man, I would dig some Chibi-Robo content in these games.
An AT is probably the best shot the series has, but I'd be okay with trophies or something.
I like you.
An AT is probably the best shot the series has, but I'd be okay with trophies or something.
I like you.
It's been a while since I've played any of them, but that's mostly all he does on land. Most of his upgrades in the games are related to mobility, and the spin is his only attack.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
being a reincarnation doesnt get rid of his character development, what, you do know all that stuff about ganondorf came after SS in the timeline, right?, zelda has also bee a reincarnations, do you think tetra and SS zelda and spirit tracks zelda and so on characterization no longer count because they have that role? Do you also know reincarnation is also kinda a big thing in japan?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Most of them are perfect for Assist Trophy, but there are few characters that I can see to be playable characters but I doubt that they will.
I would love to see Isaac as playable character but his chance is pretty much gone by now.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
I think I found a good solution to the body shape/size problem as far as Metroid characters are concerned.
It keeps to the classic Metroid feel, because there was a bikini somewhere in the original and it will let Sakurai add pretty much any Metroid character we want.
It keeps to the classic Metroid feel, because there was a bikini somewhere in the original and it will let Sakurai add pretty much any Metroid character we want.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
Ahh you're right. An increase of bust or booty size will help while still keeping the classic Metroid vibe.
I think I found a good solution to the body shape/size problem as far as Metroid characters are concerned.
It keeps to the classic Metroid feel, because there was a bikini somewhere in the original and it will let Sakurai add pretty much any Metroid character we want.
Is this a leak? I feel like this is a leak.
Rosalina is Space Mom, mother to all of the space animals and space people and space shit.
....oooooookay.
Anyway, do you guys think we'll get another Pokemon Trainer type newcomer this time around? If so, who do you think it'd be? Just off the top of my head:
Pokemon Rval - Based on Blue, naturally. He's probably the most prevalent and popular Rival of the series, plus it'd serve as a good excuse to have his Champion theme in the game.
Pokemon Champion - Based on Cynthia, mostly for the same reasons as Blue. She's had a decent role in quite a few of the games since Diamond and Peal, plus she's female. Would also lead to a playable Garchomp, which would also be interesting.
Kalos Trainer: Preferably based on Serena's design, as it's the superior one. Could have the three Kalos starters, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a Fairy type in there, like Sylveon. Maybe the Kalos starters are the standard Pokemon, and Sylveon with Moonblast could be a Final Smash?
Anyway, do you guys think we'll get another Pokemon Trainer type newcomer this time around? If so, who do you think it'd be? Just off the top of my head:
Pokemon Rval - Based on Blue, naturally. He's probably the most prevalent and popular Rival of the series, plus it'd serve as a good excuse to have his Champion theme in the game.
Pokemon Champion - Based on Cynthia, mostly for the same reasons as Blue. She's had a decent role in quite a few of the games since Diamond and Peal, plus she's female. Would also lead to a playable Garchomp, which would also be interesting.
Kalos Trainer: Preferably based on Serena's design, as it's the superior one. Could have the three Kalos starters, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a Fairy type in there, like Sylveon. Maybe the Kalos starters are the standard Pokemon, and Sylveon with Moonblast could be a Final Smash?
CHIBI ROBOOO
I think he's second party anyways. Developed by Skip and owned/published by Nintendo
Opinionatedfish
Member
I like the show, but no.
Green Mamba
Member
Considering the amount of work that went into Pokemon Trainer was basically three times the work put into an average character I highly doubt we'll get another.
He would count, especially since Miyamoto salvaged the project if some old interviews are to be believed.
Nope. It's too much work, and it'd take away from what makes Pokémon Trainer special.
lol if you like that show then why are you replying seriously?
I love the idea of having two pokemon trainers: X and Y, that was mentioned by Neiteio (sp? I so sad). One representing the original starters like we already have and the other having the new three starters in the form of: Chespin, Braxien, and Greninja. It makes a lot of sense becuase they are both represented in the latest games and pays homage to the first and last games.
Opinionatedfish
Member
I hope that Chibi Robo is represented -at least- by a stage.
I probably should have mentioned that I don't think it's likely either, for the reasons laid out. Still, it's fun to speculate.
RealDeadOne
Member
I'll actually be very disappointed if we don't get either a second Pokemon Trainer or at the very least a replacement for the original. I know it's considered really assholish to want a character out, but having 5 out of 6 Pokemon reps be from the first game is just ridiculous, and it'd be even worse if Mewtwo was added back or Lucario was cut.
If nothing else, I'd like for Mewtwo to return and a second Pokemon Trainer to be added with three Pokemon from a different gen, just to even the scales a bit. It may be asking a lot, but I think Sakurai kind of worked himself into a corner there by adding so many damn Gen 1 Pokemon.
If nothing else, I'd like for Mewtwo to return and a second Pokemon Trainer to be added with three Pokemon from a different gen, just to even the scales a bit. It may be asking a lot, but I think Sakurai kind of worked himself into a corner there by adding so many damn Gen 1 Pokemon.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I feel like you guys have really strict ideas of what Demise was and what his final speech meant.
The obvious problem with that is that the new generation trainer will be out of place when the next Smash comes out. It's better to pick evergreen characters who will never be irrelevant.
That's why I advocate for Anna as the Fire Emblem rep over all the main characters.
Just say NO to X and Y reps.
RealDeadOne
Member
How would they be any less relevant than the 5 Gen I reps we had? You can't really get less relevant than Jigglypuff.
If we were only adding characters based on relevance they'd have in later games, half of Brawl's roster would be cut and we'd only add characters from the first games in a series.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
It helps to be more openminded
Jigglypuff is more of a Smash tradition than a Pokemon rep tbh. Inclusion in 64 grants you permanent immunity.
The other Gen I reps are iconic and always will be because they started the whole thing. They're like Marth, who was only reintroduced to his own series after Melee.
RealDeadOne
Member
Hence the second part of my post. If you worry too much about relevancy then you end up only adding characters from the first game in a series. Would there really be anything wrong with having Gen VI Pokemon in Smash 5 alongside Gen VII or X or whatever gen they're on then? That just widens the appeal of the games. Especially considering it's likely much, much easier updating a returning character than it is to add a brand new character, there isn't too much reason to scrap popular characters like Ike and Lucario just because their time in the spotlight has passed.
Logically, within three games you'd have Pokemon overload. Someone would have to get cut lest the franchise dominate the roster. It's already happened with Pichu and Mewtwo. This time around I wouldn't be shocked if Lucario got the axe.
It's a waste of unique movesets.
theprodigy
Member
Red is the most iconic trainer, and the Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle lines are the most iconic starters. I'd hate to see them replaced with their less memorable counterparts just for the sake of generational diversity. The first generation is always going to be the most important. A Pokémon Origins TV special just recently aired, and even the X/Y games pay homage to Red/Blue with the Kanto starters and renewed focus on Mewtwo.
Jigglypuff's continued presence in these games makes it tough to lay out a truly appropriate Pokémon roster. She doesn't really "deserve" to be playable, but at the same time her absence would offend longtime fans of the series.
Pikachu should be in Smash Bros. no matter what. Nobody's going to argue with that. I also think it's important to keep the Pokémon Trainer (as he appeared in Brawl) since he's the protagonist of the actual video games. Mewtwo should also return; it's easily the most iconic legendary, it's rare in that it has a backstory, and as mentioned, it's still relevant.
Sakurai seems to favor the non-starting, non-legendary "promotional mascots" when choosing playable Pokémon from the additional generations. Generations two through five have each had one of these -- they tend to be the Pokémon who are revealed early on, are heavily merchandized, and appear in movies.
G/S - Pichu
R/S - Plusle & Minun
D/P - Lucario
B/W - Zoroark
My absolute pipe dream of a Pokémon roster would be:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokémon Trainer
Plusle & Minun
Lucario
Zoroark
That's technically nine characters, which most people would say is too many, but considering Pokémon is Nintendo's second-biggest franchise I'd be completely fine with that. There are bound to be at least ten Mario family characters, after all. Also, had Plusle & Minun and Mewtwo made the cut as originally planned, Brawl would have had eight playable Pokémon.