soundscream
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Depends which Stallone we get, so we got a 50/50 shot. Whish they got Gavin O'Connor he has a knack for sports movies.
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Sylvester Stallone to Direct Creed 2
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Hey, Coogler didn't invent Apollo or Adonis Creed. Stallone did.
AuthenticM
Member
Rocky Balboa was super boring and aimless. Editing was all over the place too.
Rumblebones
Banned
I'm pretty sure Coogler came up with Adonis, but even if that wasn't true, that doesn't make Stallone a better pick or the right custodian for the franchise.
Creed revitalised the entire franchise.
Coogler did that. Not Stallone.
And I don't trust Stallone to handle the character right. Creed did a lot of the little things right. Coogler was subtle, but he captured the intricacies of the black experience really, really well, and it's what sets Creed apart.
Not just that Adonis is black, but the experience that goes with it, and the depiction thereof.
I don't think Stallone is capable to do the character justice.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
As long as Andre Ward is on board, I'm ready.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
ew gross
You're aware that Rocky Balboa is based off of Chuck Wepner and Apollo Creed is based off of Muhammad Ali right? It's not as if Stallone came up with any of it on his own.
soundscream
Member
Stallone wrote the screenplay for the original Rocky (and I think all the Rocky movies). As much as Coogler did a truly fantastic job in Creed, I think Stallone is the one guy who knows a thing or two about boxing movies let alone this franchise.
Will he correctly capture the Black experience?... welp almost definitely not as good as Coogler. But I'm pretty darn sure if Stallone made 5 good Rocky movies (not counting Rocky 5), then I'm sure he can make a good Creed movie.
What? I'd say they're about the same.
The Scollard
Member
Rocky Balboa is a great movie, as is Rocky 2, so even though I wish Coogler could come back, I think Stallone is still a pretty good pick.
Hope Stallone does a good job. The first Creed was one of my favourite movies that year, and both Michael and he do a fantastic job in it.
Hope Stallone does a good job. The first Creed was one of my favourite movies that year, and both Michael and he do a fantastic job in it.
Bobo Dakes
Member
I'm more disappointed at the announcement of sequel more than whose directing it. Granted, I think I said the same thing about Creed when it was first announced.
JasonUresti
Member
Creed was a lukewarm retread of a Rocky movie we had already seen done better before.
Galactic Barret
Member
I'm willing to wait on it, but this is not what I wanted.
This is going to ruin the franchise, isn't it?
Can this be broken done and explained to me? I've seen them all, but maybe I missed something.
The perfect example I can think of is him assaulting the Blood(?) guy backstage because he called him Baby Creed. Rocky wouldn't have reacted the same way, he didn't when Clubber approach him and his wife at a press conference. Maybe Stallone can decipher the characters motivations and nuances. I think Stallone is a good actor and a capable director. I don't know if he will be able to capture the nuance of the character the way Coogler can. I'd have no problem believing it'll be a serviceable boxing film, but Creed wasn't Just that, so the thought of receiving Just that is disappointing.
This is going to ruin the franchise, isn't it?
....what?
Can this be broken done and explained to me? I've seen them all, but maybe I missed something.
And this is the problem. It isn't JUST about boxing. Its about that chip on Adonis' shoulder. Its about the Black experience. That isn't something to hand wave away and say 'well, he did great boxing movie before, he can do it again'. I'm not so sure. He did everything well from the perspective of Rocky Balboa; Adonis is a different character, of a different background facing different challenges and navigating a different world than Rocky Balboa did.
The perfect example I can think of is him assaulting the Blood(?) guy backstage because he called him Baby Creed. Rocky wouldn't have reacted the same way, he didn't when Clubber approach him and his wife at a press conference. Maybe Stallone can decipher the characters motivations and nuances. I think Stallone is a good actor and a capable director. I don't know if he will be able to capture the nuance of the character the way Coogler can. I'd have no problem believing it'll be a serviceable boxing film, but Creed wasn't Just that, so the thought of receiving Just that is disappointing.
Frankly, being that it was the 7th movie in the franchise, it's impossible to avoid hitting some similar themes. It did however, do just about everything else right.
It introduced fresh, well developed characters, it breathed new life into Rocky's character by giving him a realistic, yet important role, and the filmmaking was miles better than the typical, generic, sports movie style. Was it a 10/10? No. But it certainly wasn't lukewarm.
crisdecuba
Member
Boo! I want Coogler! :-(
Finaika
Member
Disgusting.
Yep. He's not bad.
Maintenance
Member
RIP.
Rktk
Member
Only that the last Rocky film Stallone directed was good.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Balboa was great for what it had to work with. I am actually excited at the concept of this. I could be Rocky II or Rocky V, no in between.
DecoReturns
Member
I'm okay with this.
Creed was disappointing for me personally.
Creed was disappointing for me personally.
Fast Forward
Member
Yes, Sly directed Rocky 4, but he also directed Rocky 2, and Rocky Balboa. The man has done some really good work behind the chair.
hendersonhank
Member
Rocky Balboa was way better than Creed.
Anyway, is Stallone writing this? If he's only directing, why would it be "cheesier" than Creed (which by the way had the circling quad scene that's cheesier than anything short of "If I can change..." from Rocky IV).
Anyway, is Stallone writing this? If he's only directing, why would it be "cheesier" than Creed (which by the way had the circling quad scene that's cheesier than anything short of "If I can change..." from Rocky IV).
I wouldn't say Balboa was better than Creed. If the former didn't exist then the latter wouldn't have much footing in this franchise. That being said, most people complaining of this decision don't seem to have much merit.
OrangeAtlas
Member
Stallone is a great choice for a Rocky movie.
Creed is so much more than just a Rocky movie.
Coogler has a great eye for visuals that I'm going to miss.
Just look at this!
Creed is so much more than just a Rocky movie.
Coogler has a great eye for visuals that I'm going to miss.
Just look at this!
BadAss2961
Member
I'd rather he bring the ham.
Balboa and Creed were alright, but they're really just clones of Rocky 1 and 2 under different makeup, which already did mostly everything those movies want to do way better. The plots of Balboa and Creed are also fanfic levels of bullshit.
How dare the Rocky 4 sequel use liberties from Rocky 4!
davidwhangchoi
Member
how bout Demolition man 2? when that going to happen.
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
You guys wasting time comparing Balboa and Creed when Southpaw is better than both of those movies.
He was one of the largest contributors in that best night.
Gross.
Discotheque
Banned
If you want ham how about a fight between Donny and Robert as they both compete for papa rockys approval
First though Robert is roped into an exhibition fight with Ivan Drago jr (played by Alexander skarsgard with a bad Russian accent). Robert gets sent to the hospital (maybe he dies).
Final fight is a revenge match between Donny and Ivan
Dolph Lundgren and Sly Stallone fight outside the ring too as the corners get really heated.
Exactly and why I find it hilarious that people are upset and think they know better.
BadAss2961
Member
Creed didn't really build off Rocky 4 that much. Yo daddy died in the ring was about the extent of it. Other than that, it was another Rocky rehash with Apollo's kid who missed all his father's charisma.
Creed 2 sounds like the real IV sequel.
Well damn, they don't need to turn it into Fast and Furious. I just want some of that 3, 4, and even 5 again. Embrace the theatrics and stop trying to reach the drama of of 1 and 2. Any plot in this universe is ridiculous now, so the series is way past achieving that again.
Discotheque
Banned
Making this movie with Ivan in Putin era is gonna be interesting. I wonder what sly ends up doing here and if he bothers inserting any Russia stuff
Welp.
Will need to rush through an evening of Creed before this hits.
The only Rocky's i find enjoyable is 3 + 4
Holy Order Sol
Member
yes give me more
FEED ME
FEED ME
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Hey, why not. Stallone is uneven as a director but Balboa is the second best Rocky movie for me, slightly ahead of Creed. But hopefully he remembers that he's passed the baton and that the movie should center on Adonis and not himself.
Yes.
But you should watch Rocky 1 at some point.
Yes.
But you should watch Rocky 1 at some point.
jipewithin
Member
Liked Rocky Balboa a lot (like all Rocky movies, but it's clearly the best one) but I just couldn't finish Creed. I don't know why, didn't really have that feel I guess.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
If anyone can make the Russians look stronk, its Trump supporter Sylvester Stallone.