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[mariachi507]

Man, I love Sly and all, but I was hoping he'd continue to let others play with his toys while he took a backseat. I really don't want Creed to turn into a regular Rocky sequel. We've already had plenty of those, and part of what made Creed work was having a different set of eyes. Coogler put his own stamp on the franchise and gave Creed it's own identity unique from the rest of the series. I was hoping to see an evolution of that for the sequel.

 

[johancruijff]

This is going to be fucking horrible. Fighting fucking Ivan Drago or some dumb Rocky IV crap.

No thanks.



He's already leaked some of what he wants to do.

It's peak 80's stupid ass action movie.

If Coogler is not avalaible, bring it

The dumbest action movie

Bring back Burt Young and the robot from IV

The tiger leather jacket


Cheesecheesecheese

 

[Noisepurge]

Yes, he did. Which is why all the people whining about this make no sense.

yeah, Stallone is an excellent director

 

[Lupercal]

I believe in you Sly!
Channel those Rocky Balboa powers!

 

[erlim]

No disrespect, but that's a step down. Rocky Balboa had a decent central drama but the cinematography was very poor and the movie played out in a predictable, by the numbers fashion.

I feel like part of it was because of budget and part of it was a creative decision because Stalone wanted it to look like a television broadcast.

 

[SArcher]

Rocky Balboa is possibly the best of the series so I don't see a problem here.

 

[Noisepurge]

Rocky Balboa is possibly the best of the series so I don't see a problem here.

yeah, and he directed 2,3,4 as well as Rambo 4. Don't see a problem here.

 

[shintoki]

If they were waiting on Coogler and he just wasn't interested in coming back, I don't blame them.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Ricky's speech about life beating you down in Balboa is as good as anything in Creed.

 

[gamz]

Ricky's speech about life beating you down in Balboa is as good as anything in Creed.

Might be the best thing Stallone has written.


"Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place, and I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain't you. You're better than that! I'm always gonna love you, no matter what. No matter what happens. You're my son and you're my blood. You're the best thing in my life. But until you start believing in yourself, you ain't gonna have a life."

 

[dohdough]

Yep, I actually think it's the best movie of the franchise.

 

[jett]

I'm pretty sure Coogler came up with Adonis, but even if that wasn't true, that doesn't make Stallone a better pick or the right custodian for the franchise.

Yeah I know right, Stallone has only directed every Rocky movie except I, V and Creed...

 

[Slaythe]

Bring back Milo.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

I thought Rocky Balboa was pretty good. I liked Creed more though but I'm fine with Rocky directing if the cheese is at Rocky Balboa levels.

 

[black070]

The universe wanted something back for giving us a Ryan Coogler directed Black Panther.

 

[DeathyBoy]

The universe wanted something back for giving us a Ryan Coogler directed Black Panther.

Dude's a saint for wasting his talent on a comic book film. Just like Nolan and Raimi.

 

[MrRudiMentary]

As a Rocky fan, Creed was a way better movie than any of them. My feeling is that without Coogler this will suffer.

 

[Ultima_5]

I thought creed was just okay so I’m fine with Stallone directing again

 

[Glass Rebel]

Sly is the best pick after Coogler.

But those story ideas he had...

Dude's a saint for wasting his talent on a comic book film. Just like Nolan and Raimi.

Such a dumb statement, as usual.

 

[Budi]

Wow, people are really passionate about Rocky and Creed. Personally, I'm probably underrating Stallone's better work but I'd also have more faith in Coogler.

 

[Solo]

I have 0 problems with this. As long as he approaches it like Rambo 4 or Balboa and not like an Expendables film, it'll be fine.

 

[sibarraz]

Im fine with it, the creed movies had to many cliffhangers in the middle of the movie to not have a sequel as soon as possible.

One of my favorite aspects of the movie was how they introduced lots of characters who didnt do anything but that you knew that in the future they will play an important role

 

[gdt]

Shit man. That is worrying as fuck.

I wish Coogler came back.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I've got to watch Balboa again, don't remember much.

So yeah, at the moment I'm a little disappointed that Coogler isn't back.

Coogler didn't want back in because he's going to be killing it on other movies. This is a good replacement, regardless of overreaction.

 

[Fluffernutter Pancake]

Rocky Balboa is a much worse movie than Creed

Rocky Balboa was fantastic.
Creed was fantastic.
They both were fantastic.
Creed 2 will likely be fantastic if Coogler directs.
Creed 2 will likely be fantastic if Stallone directs.

/thread

 

[gamz]

Do you think Stallone envisioned 40 years ago writing Rocky that people would be still so vocal about who's directing Rocky 8?

Funny to think about it.

 

[immortal-joe]

Rambo (aka Rambo 4) is one of the most tightly paced and entertaining action movies of the modern era.

It made me wish Stallone would branch out as a director and leave this stuff alone.

 

[black_13]

Stallone's actually a great director! Rambo 4, Rocky Balboa are really well done.

I think waiting too long for a Creed sequel would've killed any anticipation so I'm all for this.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

LETS BUILD SOME HURTIN BOMBS!

 

[Anteater]

damn didn't know people disliked rocky balboa, I thought it was good

 

[Rumblebones]

Yeah I know right, Stallone has only directed every Rocky movie except I, V and Creed...

The franchise has moved into a new direction.

It's the Creed era now. Do you really trust Stallone to do right by the character? I don't.

I don't trust Stallone to capture the black experience. I don't trust Stallone to get the right depiction of the black side of Philly. There's a lot I don't trust Stallone to do right, and having heard some of his ideas for Creed 2 in the past makes this more unfortunate than it already is.

 

[Blader]

I wonder if Coogler has/had any input on the script.

 

[Spiritual_Chaos]

Rocky Balboa is possibly the best of the series so I don't see a problem here.

yes.

 

[FallingEdge]

He's literally talking about fighting Drago again, not son of Drago, dragging Dolph Lundgren's 60 year old ass out to fight MBJ

This is fantastic. Rocky IV is still the best one of the series. Hopefully Creed 2 will be better than IV.

 

[7Th]

Coogler should have directed Star Wars IX.

 

[Rumblebones]

Coogler should have directed Star Wars IX.

Would have been cool, but I think the first black director of a Star Wars film is probably going to be Ava DuVernay.

 

[Extra Sauce]

No one can bring modern black culture to the big screen like Sylvester Stallone.

 

[Sanjuro]

I wonder if Coogler has/had any input on the script.

I think he might. It seems like he couldn't meet a 2018 deadline, but that doesn't rule him out as a writer/producer.

No one can bring modern black culture to the big screen like Sylvester Stallone.

I'm not sure that would be the driving force of the series. What made Creed great is it basically was a reverse Rocky story. That chapter is over.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

He's literally talking about fighting Drago again, not son of Drago, dragging Dolph Lundgren's 60 year old ass out to fight MBJ

Ugh; seriously?! That sounds awful.

Although I would prefer Coogler to be directing this as Creed was a beautiful and stylish film, Stallone ain't half bad either so I have no problem with him directing.

 

[Alex]

Rocky Balboa is a much worse movie than Creed

You got that backwards

 

[chrisPjelly]

Didn't he or the studio still want Coogler to direct Creed 2? Maybe his plate was too full or something. Sylvester is a fine director when he takes things seriously, so I trust him to do the movie justice. Even if it does go full ham with the America vs. Russians plot, ala Rocky IV, it'll still be entertaining to watch.

 

[SeanC]

Creed was great because it took the familiar formula (that Stallone helped create, certainly) and gave it a new, fresh voice and new take and implemented a style that captured something unique in how it presented character, the city, the worldview and a life from an African-American point of view. I don't like the term "lightning in a bottle" but there's a lot of elements that came together to really make that movie work.

This is going backwards. A regression. Stallone is a fully capable director and writer but this is trying to force something instead of that happy accident and "lightning" that the first film had on top of Stallone likely missing the elements and worldview that gave the first movie that unique voice. It's cash-money, a franchise, and that's how they're going to approach the series from now on. Same thing happened with the Rocky sequels - a movie that was unique that, once Stallone gained more power into sequal-izing the story, started to become a parody of the original.

 

[BadAss2961]

Creed was great because it took the familiar formula (that Stallone helped create, certainly) and gave it a new, fresh voice and new take and implemented a style that captured something unique in how it presented character, the city, the worldview and a life from an African-American point of view. I don't like the term "lightning in a bottle" but there's a lot of elements that came together to really make that movie work.

This is going backwards. A regression. Stallone is a fully capable director and writer but this is trying to force something instead of that happy accident and "lightning" that the first film had on top of Stallone likely missing the elements and worldview that gave the first movie that unique voice. It's cash-money, a franchise, and that's how they're going to approach the series from now on. Same thing happened with the Rocky sequels - a movie that was unique that, once Stallone gained more power into sequal-izing the story, started to become a parody of the original.

They had to go a different route with the sequels. III and IV worked out perfectly. Dramas like the first two movies weren't meant to be serialized.

My problem with movies like Balboa and Creed is how they try to go back to that drama in a series that already jumped the shark decades ago. Can't take it seriously. The events of these movies are just as far-fetched as 3-5, if not more, while trying to be like the original films again.

 

[SeanC]

They had to go a different route with the sequels. III and IV worked out perfectly. Dramas like the first two movies weren't meant to be serialized.

My problem with movies like Balboa and Creed is how they try to go back to that drama in a series that already jumped the shark decades ago. Can't take it seriously. The events of these movies are just as far-fetched as 3-5, if not more, while trying to be like the original films again.

Creed was the opportunity to start anew, though. To redo it in a different way with a new vision, and it looks one-and-done. More importantly, the directing in Balboa wasn't particularly good, especially the fights and how it felt Sly hasn't really progressed as a director in that side of things (strangely, though, I thought Rambo was fantastically directed by him but it's because it was really old-school glorified violence) , whereas Creed you felt those moments and impacts and emotion, something Coogler worked hard to get. I wonder if Sly has caught up with the times in an era where we have a good plethora of solid boxing movies, such as someone bringing up Southpaw earlier.

 

[Extra Sauce]

One more thing. Not asking for a Creed movie to go all political but I feel like there could be a commentary/exploration of Russia's weakening of US democracy to be found in a Drago-related sequel, and a smarter filmmaker than Stallone is needed for that.

 

[SeanC]

One more thing. Not asking for a Creed movie to go all political but I feel like there could be a commentary/exploration of Russia's weakening of US democracy to be found in a Drago-related sequel, and a smarter filmmaker than Stallone is needed for that.

If they do it will age as poorly as Rocky IV has.

 

[Extra Sauce]

If they do it will age as poorly as Rocky IV has.

Rocky IV was dumb patriotic silliness on arrival. I'm not asking for dumb patriotic silliness. On the contrary, I'd like a 2017 sequel to that movie to at least acknowledge that the US is currently being the butt of Russia's "joke".

 

[Jesus Carbomb]

Gross.

Jake Gyllenhaal put in a better performance. Sry, but Creed just isn't as great as you make it out to be.

 

[SeanC]

Rocky IV was dumb patriotic silliness on arrival. I'm not asking for dumb patriotic silliness. On the contrary, I'd like a 2017 sequel to that movie to at least acknowledge that the US is currently being the butt of Russia's "joke".

It got by on patriotic silliness, but you can't do patriotic silliness in this current political climate. There's no "rah rah America" at the moment. You can't have Creed, a black man, going to bat for a country that treats black men like shit.

 

[number11]

I can’t see a Creed sequel being great... which is why they need to follow the original Rocky formula. I have no problem if they just strip away the serious tone and just up the 80s cheese.