SolidSnakeUS
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Higher brightness can help with SDR content if they add black frame insertion. And hopefully that happens, because motion resolution on OLED is still far inferior to plasma, and that is kind of a big deal for gaming.
PKMNTrainer
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My LG 60UH615a I picked up from Target late last year is starting to show a bit of banding stemming from the bottom of the display during some normal use cases. I've also noticed a bright white spot that appears on lighter colors. I'm a tad disappointed, considering the age of the set.
I'm curious if these problems are at all common in IPS/LG panels. I'm tempted to just upgrade altogether to a more premium tv of similar size. I'll at least send this set in to be fixed since it's covered under warranty still.
What say you, GAF? What are the up and coming 55-65 displays with low input lag, sick HDR, and gorgeous displays?
I'm curious if these problems are at all common in IPS/LG panels. I'm tempted to just upgrade altogether to a more premium tv of similar size. I'll at least send this set in to be fixed since it's covered under warranty still.
What say you, GAF? What are the up and coming 55-65 displays with low input lag, sick HDR, and gorgeous displays?
Very little to no content uses it currently. Even all UHD blu-ray only mastered for HDR10 spec. You would be correct in thinking you get a cheaoer 4K and HDR tv now and then splurge on a flagship with HDMI 2.1 and Dolby Vision in 2018 or 2019. By then OLED will only be improved as well. Or wait until black friday this year, LG always discounts around November. See if you can't get a B7 or C7 2017 models for cheaper.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Black Friday doesn't exist in Australia, since we don't have thanksgiving. Although one or two outlets did hold a Black Friday sale for some bizarre reason last year. For me it'll probably be the end of the financial year, which is when the largest sales often are.
I picked up a Sony X900E on Saturday, upgraded from a Vizio M60-C3 set. The picture quality on this set is amazing, I'm just wondering if I should return it for the X930E and Dolby Vision compatibility. Aside from gaming, I'll be consuming 4K HDR movies and would rather not upgrade again for awhile.
I wouldn't bother tbh.
Chris_Rivera
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Mmmm...but dem 2017's
vpance
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I'd say it depends how much you like HDR, as the 930 gets substantially brighter. Though if you're satisfied with what you're seeing in the 900 then I wouldn't.
holygeesus
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It's not a big deal for gaming at all, it is more of an issue for watching films. The instant pixel response time mitigates any motion issues on an OLED, when gaming. Unless you are coming off a lifetime of gaming on CRT monitors, you will not notice the low motion resolution, as you aren't getting the other nasties from LCD monitors, such as smearing.
Gaming on an OLED is a joy.
I wasn't comparing it to LCD, I was comparing it to plasma. LCD's motion resolution is as bad as OLED's.
holygeesus
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And plasmas have more gaming lag and burn-in dangers. Each tech has it's disadvantages.
As someone who has personally invested thousands of hours into gaming, on each kind of panel type, OLED is by far the best all-rounder. You shouldn't have a hard time moving from a plasma to an OLED.
TheBoss1
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The 55-65" LG C7 (~$3500-5000) seems like the best bet if you have a big budget. It is an OLED TV so it will be better than most, if not all, LCD TVs. The input lag on this set is great too at around 21 ms. The only negative so far is the 75% increase in price over last year's model (B6/C6).
If that is too much then you can also look at the 55-65" Sony X900E ($~1500-2300). This one is an LCD set but it is has full array local dimming (FALD) so it is way better than your average TV (including your current TV) and probably the best bang for buck display out this year. Input lag is around 33 ms which is good enough for 99% of gamers.
Now if you don't mind buying a 2016 TV then I recommend getting the 55" LG B6 (~$2000). It's also an OLED TV that's almost as good as the 2017 models while being significantly cheaper.
Hi guys, confused question time again. Sadly my thread got buried quickly without replies and I can't find a general audio setup thread so I'll copy my post into this thread since it is sort of related.
I'd like to replace my 5.1 AV setup with a soundbase...
TLDR:
Soundbases today obviously don't have HDMI 2.1 yet and might not support 4k/HDR passthrough, but my future TV probably will. But I don't think I even need the soundbase to act as a passthrough like an AV receiver, the HDMI slots the TV will have will likely also be enough. Just need it to put out sound. If I just connect soundbase and TV via optical, shouldn't I still get all the benefits of HDMI 2.1, 4k, HDR, etc despite the soundbase maybe not supporting these features? Anything else I need to consider?
I'd like to replace my 5.1 AV setup with a soundbase...
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1359372Devil said:
TLDR:
Soundbases today obviously don't have HDMI 2.1 yet and might not support 4k/HDR passthrough, but my future TV probably will. But I don't think I even need the soundbase to act as a passthrough like an AV receiver, the HDMI slots the TV will have will likely also be enough. Just need it to put out sound. If I just connect soundbase and TV via optical, shouldn't I still get all the benefits of HDMI 2.1, 4k, HDR, etc despite the soundbase maybe not supporting these features? Anything else I need to consider?
TheBoss1
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The only advantage plasma displays have over OLED displays is motion resolution. OLED beats it in every other way that I can think of.
I didn't say plasma was better than OLED either. Someone said that he didn't see any room for improvement for OLED in gaming, and I was pointing out one area where there is clearly room for improvement. You don't need to get so defensive about it.
DagnastyEp
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Project Scorpio to support HDMI 2.1 and variable refresh rate. Damn, while this is awesome, I was hoping to pick up the C7 this fall, now I'm thinking I should wait for 2018 models which are 1 year out!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=233722653&posted=1#post233722653
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=233722653&posted=1#post233722653
holygeesus
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I'm not defensive about anything. It's called having a conversation.
Waiting for everything to line up will mean you'll never get a tv
. The second you buy your TV/console/player, you need to just accept that at any moment a new release or tech announcement will make you feel like you should have waited. It's why I stop reading TV display news after I bought my B6. I don't need that feeling of "I should have waited".
holygeesus
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Yep definitely waiting before upgrading now.
Waiting for everything to line up will mean you'll never get a tv
If you play the waiting game it's true you'll be waiting forever in tech
However
There are certain milestones or game changers that make it very appropriate to wait
HDMI 2.1 is one of those and we've known there's a very good chance that it will hit in 2018.
There will be maybe one or two television models that will have it in 2018. Possibly only flagships, no guarantees either. Hell we still get even flagship models of televisions this year that only have 1 or 2 HDMI 2.0a inputs for HDR. HDMI 2.1 is a big upgrade though, so if you are a once in a blue moon tech adopter you may as well wait to have that.
BriareosGAF
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Always useful to have a few folks jump on that grenade and report back on the janky 1.0 support for any new tech. I like buying mid-cycle when things have settled down and the tech has matured a bit (e.g. post B6 latency firmware improvements, etc.).
Metalstrike
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I agree with this and will probably do the same. I currently have a 55" B6 and after owning it for almost 3 months and putting in 800 hours on it or so id probably give it an 8.5/10 if I had to throw on an arbitrary score. It's the best display I've owned for sure but it's not quite perfect. The vertical banding issue will have to be eliminated in order for me to upgrade again. Granted, I don't see it 90-95% of the time but when I do I can't not see it. Mine shows up on high brightness content on the right side to the center of the panel. For example, the worst offending content is your typical panning on a solid color, like looking left and right at the horizon in a game like Breath of the Wild.
Has anyone that has looked at IRE slides ever seen a OLED panel that didn't have some sort of vertical bands through it? Panel uniformity is the single biggest annoyance to me and it's the only one the thing I like better about my dinosaur of a plasma. Perfect uniformity. Obviously OLED uniformity is still much better that LCD overall and it is still trending upward year after year so that's great. Also, I hope tinting issues improve as well, with green/yellow and also white homogeneity.
So anyway, if uniformity and tinting can improve significantly, then give me a 65" OLED with HDMI 2.1 and 1000 nits peak brightness and I'll have my perfect display.
holygeesus
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I concur with all this, including the score. Though I truly don't have any banding, either in slides or content, but I do have red tinting visible on all-white screens - not noticeable in normal content though.
vpance
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Sounds wise. Hopefully by 2020 they'll have it all sorted out.
2017 is a fine time to buy a TV, just not this years OLEDs IMO.
What's wrong with this year's OLEDs?
vpance
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Nothing, but I think if you've got your mind set on an OLED then might as well wait for the 2018 "tick" models of the hardware cycle, and you might get 2.1 out of it too. Also, value wise the discounted B6 is just too hard to pass up compared to what the 7s bring IMO. So essentially the 2017s are neither here nor there in terms of value and upgrade in spec.
This year's LCDs (bar the Sammys for now) on the other hand all look pretty great value/perf wise against last year's, especially the 900E. Unless they all go 100+ zone FALD in 2018 I don't see anything substantial to wait for there, unlike with OLED.
I agree about the B6 being great value, but you'll be saying this next year as well but with the B7/C7 instead.
Last year's LCDs were also great in terms of value and they will continue to be great value while OLED holds on to its premium pricing for years to come.The 2017 LG OLEDs look great so far and 21ms input lag is ridiculously good along with improvements in most other areas resulting in happy owners, I'm sure. There's always going to be a better model released every year. I'm sure you've read this statement many times already here in this thread, but it's true and let's be realistic here, the 2018 models will be just as incremental as the 2017s were. HDMI 2.1 isn't going to be used by mainstream inputs until PS5 etc and by then, there may even be a better HDMI spec.
That's just un-American.
vpance
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I agree about the B6 being great value, but you'll be saying this next year as well but with the B7/C7 instead.
The 2017 LG OLEDs look great so far and 21ms input lag is ridiculously good along with improvements in most other areas resulting in happy owners, I'm sure. There's always going to be a better model released every year. I'm sure you've read this statement many times already here in this thread, but it's true and let's be realistic here, the 2018 models will be just as incremental as the 2017s were. HDMI 2.1 isn't going to be used by mainstream inputs until PS5 etc and by then, there may even be a better HDMI spec.
If the B/C8 upgrade is substantial, which it should be due to tick cycle, then no, I wouldn't be saying this next year which was my point. This time next year I would wait 3-6 months and get a B8 summer or holiday discounted. But like you say if the 2018's are a bust then the choice would be easy and just get discounted B/C7
Buying a 7 now without knowing what 8 will bring is a mistake, money and lifecycle wise.The thing with LCD is not everyone likes Sammy and their iffy QC, or prefers Sony processing. So while the KS8000 should still be the goto buy for most people, the argument for getting a 2017 Sony now is still sound. Also last year's Sony's had very bad input lag so they were a nonstarter. X800D is the exception but it's way too dim for HDR IMO.
This is all apart from the 2.1 talk though. I'm just going over the downsides of buying a 2017 OLED this year.
If the B/C8 upgrade is substantial, which it should be due to tick cycle, then no, I wouldn't be saying this next year which was my point. This time next year I would wait 3-6 months and get a B8 summer or holiday discounted. But like you say if the 2018's are a bust then the choice would be easy and just get discounted B/C7
The thing with LCD is not everyone likes Sammy and their iffy QC, or prefers Sony processing. So while the KS8000 should still be the goto buy for most people, the argument for getting a 2017 Sony now is still sound. Also last year's Sony's had very bad input lag so they were a nonstarter. X800D is the exception but it's way too dim for HDR IMO.
This is all apart from the 2.1 talk though. I'm just going over the downsides of buying a 2017 OLED this year.
Is it reasonable to assume that the 8 series OLEDs will be cheaper because part of the tick cycle is improvement of manufacturing processes?
When I read few X900E reviews they all said it was better than last year's competitors, but I assume that in some countries there would be a price difference now too.
Beer Monkey
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Do 2016+ OLED panels really suffer from less burn-in than the reference standard 2008 Pioneer Kuro plasma? 100,000 hours is a bold claim.
Vegetable Lasagna
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This thread is probably as good as any since my Xbox is connected to a B6... lol Can anyone recommend a good optical splitter? Getting sick of constantly swapping optical cables when I want to use my headset.
vpance
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That's the rumor. I think it's reasonable, but none of us here have any inside info.
If anyone waiting on the 8's end up being let down by their specs, worse case they lost out a year's worth of viewing time with an OLED and they pick up a deeply discounted 7. If value is my priority then I'd get a 6 and wait for 10 before upgrading again. If I absolutely need to experience OLED this year then still I'd get the 6.
Anyone that upgrades their TVs every other year or less can ignore all this talk and just buy whenever of course
Probably going to go with the X900E this year since my current set is garbage then go OLED in a couple years once HDMI 2.1 matures.
Vegetable Lasagna
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I've played the waiting game. The end result is that by the time HDMI 2.1 comes around on these sets there is going to be some other feature that you feel like you need to wait for... and you just sit there with an old ass set waiting and waiting and waiting.
I'm just going to ride my B6 out until there are LG OLEDS that support HDMI 2.1 and they have come down price a little bit. Maybe upgrade at the end of 2018 if there are good black Friday deals or 2019. Either way I'm sure I'll upgrade my monitors before then and will just grab some 4ks that support freesync over hdmi to hold me over.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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This was my thinking. I picked up the 49 inch for 1200 and it has been great. Persona 5 looks awesome.
The haloing and bloom on the X930E is disappointing to see. Doesn't look like something I'd recommend for movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBD9ivZPvPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBD9ivZPvPc
learnedhand
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I just want to use this opportunity to praise the 3d capabilities of these 4k oled sets. I'm not sure about the 2017 models, but I believe the 2016 C and E models are 3d capable, and the b6 is not.
I have a 65 inch 2016 E6. The regular picture is incredible. I've had it for 4 months and I'm still consistently impressed. The 3d though, is the best I've ever seen anywhere, and I'm coming from a panny plasma with 3d. 4k makes it crystal clear, there is no dimming, the passive glasses do not need charged. There is little to no eye strain. There are absolutely none of drawbacks I associated with 3d on my plasma. I didn't expect it at all, but I was very very happily suprised.
I've bought many new 3d movies. The problem is it's very difficult if not impossible to find a bluray set that has hdr, 4k, 3d, and atmos sound all in one. So you are forced to choose. Too bad the 3d format is fading just when the tech has caught up.
But believe me, the 3d is stunning.
Yes, you can calibrate as many display devices you want provided you have the software to utilize the hardware (meter). No, calibrating isn't limited to the PC the meter is connected to. As long as you're taking measurements and have software to process that information, you can use a laptop for example with said software to calibrate any number of display devices including OLED, LCD, and Plasma.
You're missing out on the world of 3D LUT tables. I suggest you do that instead of using the default software by X-Rite. Much more accurate.
http://www.lightillusion.com/lut_calibration_idiots_guide.html
And you absolutely want a 3D LUT for your TV too assuming one of your video inputs is from your PC.
if you're aiming for 3D LUTs, it's pretty idiot proof since you don't have to fiddle with grayscale white balancing at all. It's all automated.