riskVSreward
Member
I can't watch the video right now but I used to have dps come out instead of fbs whenever I tried to walk forward and fb. I had to learn to go to neutral before inputting the fb command to get it to work.
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The Fighting Game Noob Thread: From Scrub to Master
- Thread starter Cindi Mayweather
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Holy Order Sol
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Not having an obvious go-to strategy with one really great tool is precisely a desirable trait for a good beginner character. You don't want to give a beginner a crutch that's specific to a character when the point is for them to learn how the game works in a general sense. I don't think that's much of a problem in SFV though.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
When I clicked this thread it said NeoGAF Gold at the top? Am I crazy? It's disappeared.
Thanks. Definitely makes you have to be aware of what you're doing!
Thanks. Definitely makes you have to be aware of what you're doing!
you're probably moving forward before doing the fb motion. if you know you're moving forward, you should do a half circle forward motion to reduce the chance of getting a dp instead of an fb.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
ShadowSoldier89
Member
for anyone intimidated by blazblue or guilty gear purely for the amount of mechanics, those game shave excellent and very detailed tutorials on all of their systems.
You will still get wrecked by them for a while, but you will understand them.
Games like UNIEL though, they dont tell you shit
You will still get wrecked by them for a while, but you will understand them.
Games like UNIEL though, they dont tell you shit
Crab Milk Mickey
Member
SFIV's lenient shortcuts are probably the culprit, but turn on input display next time if you want to confirm whether it's your execution or the game that's to blame.It even happened mid combo when I wasn't pressing forward I think.
EDIT: looking at about 2:08, it seems like the shortcut kicked in because of the jittery crouching.
Karsticles
Member
Cindi, whenever I am worried that I might get a DP instead of a Hadoken, I do a HCF motion instead of a QCF. Removed all interpretation errors.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I find it hilarious how SFIV's shortcut system, which is designed to make it easier for new players, actually makes it more complicated and annoying.
Capcom, PLEASE.
Capcom, PLEASE.
Vargavinter
Member
I've been thinking of getting Ultra Street Fighter 4 on steam just last night. I got a hori stick when I got SF4 on 360 but I never got anywhere due to the latency on my TV. My prime playing fighting games was back when Street Fighter 2 was released on the super Nintendo. I'm tempted but I feel that I will never get as good as back in the day and my patience wears thin alot faster now days.
DamonForever
Member
Hmm, I like the idea, and I've definitely been liking fighting games more over the past few years. I really dig figuring out a game's mechanic and how to take advantage of characters. I probably prefer 3D fighters (DOA, VF, not Tekken though), but SFV has me interested. I did try MKX, but man, I didn't enjoy the gameplay there.
I just don't think I have enough commitment to competitive fighting. From attending tourneys to even getting a proper pad or stick. And I love me other games, especially RPGs (time hogs). And then there's Rocket League...
I've had some great fun though, one of my best memories was practicing one of Sarah's moves in VF5 and pulling it off in a match:
Her forward slide can be interrupted into a backstep jab, so I did the first slide without interrupting it, then interrupted the second at just the right time.
Fighting games have also thought me that when in doubt, running grab.
And finally, when random cool timing happens.
Like I said, SFV interest me, so that's something to look forward to. I do prefer using females though, and that pool is small. Would Naruto SUNS 4 count? Haha, I do like the gameplay there.
I just don't think I have enough commitment to competitive fighting. From attending tourneys to even getting a proper pad or stick. And I love me other games, especially RPGs (time hogs). And then there's Rocket League...
I've had some great fun though, one of my best memories was practicing one of Sarah's moves in VF5 and pulling it off in a match:
Her forward slide can be interrupted into a backstep jab, so I did the first slide without interrupting it, then interrupted the second at just the right time.
Fighting games have also thought me that when in doubt, running grab.
And finally, when random cool timing happens.
Like I said, SFV interest me, so that's something to look forward to. I do prefer using females though, and that pool is small. Would Naruto SUNS 4 count? Haha, I do like the gameplay there.
Zombegoast
Member
Man I've having trouble playing SSF4 3D in online with matches being laggy and input delay making some moves hard to punish move with long recovery and yet I felt like the netcode was better than the other version including PC. DP didn't felt like this godly move that beats everything and not be a 1 frame start up.
Anyway I main Decapre since playing Ultra and I can Air throw after a FADC Sting and her Fierce Break without any issues and do them consistently. But for whatever reason j.LK comes out instead of her air throw when I do her target combo. For me it works randomly.
I can get it the move as close to the ground like this:
But then this happens half the time
Also I can't beat Bison, I don't know what to do after his Scissor kicks it has so much push back.
Anyway I main Decapre since playing Ultra and I can Air throw after a FADC Sting and her Fierce Break without any issues and do them consistently. But for whatever reason j.LK comes out instead of her air throw when I do her target combo. For me it works randomly.
I can get it the move as close to the ground like this:
But then this happens half the time
Also I can't beat Bison, I don't know what to do after his Scissor kicks it has so much push back.
You generally can't do anything about it after the fact. You need to not let it happen in the first place. If you block an LK Knee he basically won some screen space. Space yourself just outside the range of LK Knee Press and punish on whiff (go into training mode and record the move on the dummy to get a feel for the exact range). If he does MK or HK Knee you can probably punish with Decapre's DP (unless he spaced the MK version well). You can also neutral jump pre-emptively and punish on the way down. The main way to fight knee is to think about when he might use it. It's a charge move so he has to be down-backing first of all. So usually when you're in a certain range and he's sitting still is when you even have to consider it. When you get really good at this you can start punishing very hard by counter-hitting or even by using a focus attack spaced at the second hit of the Knee Press.
Other than that it's -1 on block for the LK version. What a lot of Bison's like to do is put out a MK/HK kick that will usually beat longer range pokes because the start up is quicker. Observe what they do and if this is what they're doing you can delay your button slightly and get a whiff punish. You could also just reversal DP in this case if you're sure.
I like this series, you should increase the volume for the game and your voice though imo
Baptism by fire works:
Me @ T5DR back in the day arcades, total of 5 wins.
Me @ Tekken 7 now in game centers, current wins 435.
What's lost in the death of arcades in the west is that because you're not playing for your money, there isn't much at stake to force you to adapt and change for the better.
Basically it beats out stubbornness eventually.
Me @ T5DR back in the day arcades, total of 5 wins.
Me @ Tekken 7 now in game centers, current wins 435.
What's lost in the death of arcades in the west is that because you're not playing for your money, there isn't much at stake to force you to adapt and change for the better.
Basically it beats out stubbornness eventually.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Hmm, I like the idea, and I've definitely been liking fighting games more over the past few years. I really dig figuring out a game's mechanic and how to take advantage of characters. I probably prefer 3D fighters (DOA, VF, not Tekken though), but SFV has me interested. I did try MKX, but man, I didn't enjoy the gameplay there.
I just don't think I have enough commitment to competitive fighting. From attending tourneys to even getting a proper pad or stick. And I love me other games, especially RPGs (time hogs). And then there's Rocket League...
I've had some great fun though, one of my best memories was practicing one of Sarah's moves in VF5 and pulling it off in a match:
Her forward slide can be interrupted into a backstep jab, so I did the first slide without interrupting it, then interrupted the second at just the right time.
Fighting games have also thought me that when in doubt, running grab.
And finally, when random cool timing happens.
Like I said, SFV interest me, so that's something to look forward to. I do prefer using females though, and that pool is small. Would Naruto SUNS 4 count? Haha, I do like the gameplay there.
Those gifs make me miss VF so much!
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Subbed!
A bit disappointed the OP doesn't include Soul Calibur 2 HD and most importantly VF5 FE which I find has an excellent tutorial mode and teaches a lot of stuff, it's only on PS360 but it's also super affordable and gets discounted constantly. If you don't care for bells and whistles you can often find the normal version for like $5 digital (game's digital only).
A bit disappointed the OP doesn't include Soul Calibur 2 HD and most importantly VF5 FE which I find has an excellent tutorial mode and teaches a lot of stuff, it's only on PS360 but it's also super affordable and gets discounted constantly. If you don't care for bells and whistles you can often find the normal version for like $5 digital (game's digital only).
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I didn't add any game I thought was dead such as TTT2 or VF5FS.
Adding Tekken now.
Adding Tekken now.
Tornix
Member
Subbed! I play just about any fighter, but mostly Guilty Gear.
PSN: TornixSRK
Steam: Tornix
I didn't see it posted (shoot me if it was), but Novriltataki has a series of tutorials for Guilty Gear & air dashers in general on his channel.
Novriltataki Youtube
PSN: TornixSRK
Steam: Tornix
I didn't see it posted (shoot me if it was), but Novriltataki has a series of tutorials for Guilty Gear & air dashers in general on his channel.
Novriltataki Youtube
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Finally got to watch your vids, brother Mike! Sorry for being late! I really like them. Can you make a playlist for the series so it makes it easier to link to in the OP?
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Everyone!
How are these characters played based on their character design?
Your homework is to figure out what their general game plan is based on their character design ONLY:
Ralf (King of Fighters):
Dhalsim (Street Fighter):
Milia (Guilty Gear)
Kung Lao (Mortal Kombat)
Hsien-Ko (Darkstalkers)
Vanessa (Virtua Fighter)
How are these characters played based on their character design?
Your homework is to figure out what their general game plan is based on their character design ONLY:
Ralf (King of Fighters):
Dhalsim (Street Fighter):
Milia (Guilty Gear)
Kung Lao (Mortal Kombat)
Hsien-Ko (Darkstalkers)
Vanessa (Virtua Fighter)
It could be that you're accidentally inputting down-forward twice.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
If you want to learn how to block in Smash 4, then play against me ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
talk is cheap
If you're challenging me, I don't have a system to play on, well I got a Wii U, but all I have is 3D World.
so how do you explain smash being in the op?
In all seriousness though, veeeeeeeeeerrry nice thread OP! Thanks! So far I've been sticking with GG as far as trying to elevate from scrub-tier goes, it's the only fighter besides Marvel that genuinely seems to speak to me.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
What are the best controllers/sticks for Smash 4? I want to add those to the OP.
Yeah, I neglected to mention this yesterday (probably should've said it, but I didn't). Indeed, UNIEL has neither tutorials nor a challenge mode.
TacosNSalsa
Member
Looks to me like you're trying to walk forward or even maybe just pressing forward then fireball too quickly . Even walk forward ,low forward into fireball input will get you a dp if you do it to quickly . You're playing on pad so it's probably different but what I do when I want to walk forward fireball is walk forward then do a half circle forward ..that normally lets the buffer clear before anything derp happens.
Edit: Also watch/record your replays with inputs on .... seeing what buttons/directions you are pressing and when is insanely useful.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Heck, people still play Soulcalibur V. Add that to the OP as well.
www.8wayrun.com has a very useful Wiki.
Also Facebook has a useful group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SchoolCalibur/
www.8wayrun.com has a very useful Wiki.
Also Facebook has a useful group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SchoolCalibur/
Professor Beef
Banned
Not challenging, I just wanted an excuse to use Ryu's quote. :x
What are the best controllers/sticks for Smash 4? I want to add those to the OP.
Anything is fine as long as the person is comfortable (I've seen people use Remote/Nunchuk with great results), but the general consensus is GCube controller/Pro Controller.
doctorblurg
Banned
Ordering a stick for my PS4 tonight so I can play skullgirls until SFV comes out. Honestly my main problem is I go into a panic autopilot and just start mashing when it comes to actually fighting someone the only game I've really managed to break that habit was smash.
Is there any good way to help work against that panic mode or do I just need to quit being a spazz?
Also is GG Xrd too mechanic heavy for a beginner? I've never played the series but I really like how it looks.
Is there any good way to help work against that panic mode or do I just need to quit being a spazz?
Also is GG Xrd too mechanic heavy for a beginner? I've never played the series but I really like how it looks.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
You just gotta think about it and make yourself be calm. The more you mash, the more you open yourself up to execution errors.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I'd love a Street Fighter mentor myself.
Post your deets everyone! This will make it easier to organize mentees and mentors.
Cindi Mayweather
Main game: Ultra Street Fighter IV
Main platform: Steam
Country: USA
Time Zone: Central
Post your deets everyone! This will make it easier to organize mentees and mentors.
Cindi Mayweather
Main game: Ultra Street Fighter IV
Main platform: Steam
Country: USA
Time Zone: Central
Makes sense. But where does spamming Criminal Uppers come into that pastebin?
Cindi Mayweather
Member
His GG tutorials are great. His one on spacing control should be required viewing for anyone getting into 2d fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNKMCOU9_Po
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Any good BlazBlue CPE tutorials?
Professor Beef
Banned
Sometimes, like a fart, you just gotta hold it in.
Try inputting the Konami Code and hit enter.
Karsticles
Member
Gamecube Controller for 99% of Smash players.
Why not set up a Google Form, or something similar?
Guilty Gear Xrd is the absolute perfect entry for whoever wants to start out fighters.
- It looks insanely good, so it's easy to feel compelled to play it even if you suck
- It has really easy "basic" combos that beginners can pull off, which means they can do decent damage despite not doing crazy combos. It also has a great comeback system that makes it seem easier to "do good".
- Its basics are easy to understand, but granted complicated stuff like just guard and some pressure etc.. can be a bit tough
- I feel like it's the perfect mix between offense and defense. Except for one or two characters, you never get juggled in the air for 7 years like blazblue, and you have tools to defend yourself against pretty much everything.
I really feel like it's one of the most satisfying game for beginners because it lets you do decent things even if you're not a pro player.
SFV is really close to that too, except SFV lacks so many options it's just sad, currently (it was better before), hopefully they tweak it around.
I can't recommend SF IV to any beginner though, what an awful game IMO.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I'll do that!
Oh BTW, i'm up for some games , here's what i have :
ultra sfIV : steam
KOF 13 : steam
Skullgirls : steam (kinda hate it though D
GGxrd : Ps4
BBCP EX : ps4
Saint Seiya : ps4
Jstars : ps4
SF V
Tekken tag 2 : ps3
Naruto storm : steam and ps3 (soon ps4)
I might get killer instinct on PC when that's out.
I have MKX on ps4 but region locked so i gave it up really. Might also get yatagarasu if you guys are up for it. I tried the demo i sucked balls at it.
ultra sfIV : steam
KOF 13 : steam
Skullgirls : steam (kinda hate it though D
GGxrd : Ps4
BBCP EX : ps4
Saint Seiya : ps4
Jstars : ps4
SF V
Tekken tag 2 : ps3
Naruto storm : steam and ps3 (soon ps4)
I might get killer instinct on PC when that's out.
I have MKX on ps4 but region locked so i gave it up really. Might also get yatagarasu if you guys are up for it. I tried the demo i sucked balls at it.
I'm in the process of uploading a video of me getting stomped by a Juri to my Youtube. It's frustrating watching your replays and noticing that maybe you should have anti air here or blocked properly there. I didn't feel bad for losing though which is a definite improvement towards my attitude to learning. Playing Ryu is a lot of fun.
stn
Member
I have the following:
X360 - USF4, SFxT
PS3 - USF4
XB1 - MKX
I have KOF and the other NRS fighters but I'm not keen on learning them now. Anyone who wants to play on any of these platforms, just quote me. I'll PM you my tag. Don't care where you live (I have good internet) or how good/bad you are, just want good sportsmen. Thanks.
X360 - USF4, SFxT
PS3 - USF4
XB1 - MKX
I have KOF and the other NRS fighters but I'm not keen on learning them now. Anyone who wants to play on any of these platforms, just quote me. I'll PM you my tag. Don't care where you live (I have good internet) or how good/bad you are, just want good sportsmen. Thanks.
I feel like part of overcoming this mental block is just muscle memory and recognition. It's something that comes with familiarity, but you can also condition yourself to a particular scenario where you tend to panic and make the wrong decision. This could be simply through sparring a friend who is willing to work with you, or through training mode and macro ing the dummy to perform the action you're trying to counter.
The more you see it, the quicker you'll recognize the situation, the more time you'll have to make a decision, and the less you'll panic and autopilot.
While this is a fantastic VF guide, it really does not apply much to any other 3D fighters.