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~ The Official Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions thread ~
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SailorDaravon said:
Yes. It's really messed up the particular way I play the game, and I didn't realize it until I got myself quasi-stuck, so I had to reload an old save to fix it. :|
It used to take 350 JP to reach level 3 in a job, now it takes 400. It seems to curve up past that, though, and I've been told that it takes 2200 JP just to reach level 7, when it only took 2100 to master a job in the original version. This, plus the new job level requirements (level 4 monk to unlock geomancer, instead of 3) really messed me up!
Demigod Mac
Member
SpudBud said:
It isn't game-breaking, and for most abilities it doesn't matter (let's face it, it's FFT portable! you'll love it regardless). There's just the occasional ability where the sound is woefully out of sync with the spell animation and you think to yourself, "How... how could they possibly let the game out in this state!? What were they thinking??".
Gafgarion's Nightsword and the Skeleton's lightning bolt are the worst offenders. The last sound occurs mid-animation and the rest of the animation finishes silently.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I stated it on another board but I find it kinda funny how Ramza's ability Tailwind can slow the game down but summoning Shiva doesn't effect the game at all. Uneven slow down is weird. Fortunately everything doesn't cause the game to slow down, unfortunately I think I'm going to loath using an Arithmetician to cast field wide spells.
jaundicejuice
Member
Thunder Anima is kind Nightsword bad.
Nearly seven hours have been sunk into Tactics as of now and I'm slowly making my way through the first chapter, still saddled with Delita and Argath. I think I've been getting a little out of hand with the grinding; I've opened up a number of job classes now but can't effectively use them since I can't buy the appropriate equipment yet.
God I love this game.
Nearly seven hours have been sunk into Tactics as of now and I'm slowly making my way through the first chapter, still saddled with Delita and Argath. I think I've been getting a little out of hand with the grinding; I've opened up a number of job classes now but can't effectively use them since I can't buy the appropriate equipment yet.
God I love this game.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Just picked it up 
It's been ages though; and now that I've beaten FF12 finally, I really want to know - is there any connection between the two stories? Any continuity?
On the map it looks like the same place on Ivalice, but I havent started FFT yet and I dont recall if the empires or lands names are the same - are they drastically apart in time frame or are they only connected by universe, not history?
How is Balthier handled as an added character; does he fit or just fanservice?
Ok, im done playing 20 questions
It's been ages though; and now that I've beaten FF12 finally, I really want to know - is there any connection between the two stories? Any continuity?
On the map it looks like the same place on Ivalice, but I havent started FFT yet and I dont recall if the empires or lands names are the same - are they drastically apart in time frame or are they only connected by universe, not history?
How is Balthier handled as an added character; does he fit or just fanservice?
Ok, im done playing 20 questions
Montblanc from FFTA is in FFXII, and FFTA2 takes place after FFXII, but both Balthier and Luso appears in FFT. So all the games take place in relatively the same time span, but different countries (alliances) of Ivalice! Cid always tops the yearly popular name list in Ivalice...
I don't know. D:
jaundicejuice
Member
jiggle said:
Attempting to establish an order or chronology that only exists, badly, because of successive games is like walking into the mouth of madness.
OK. Here's my understanding.jiggle said:
FF12 takes place far, far before FFT, hundreds or thousands of years. For one, the races of FF12 have been driven to extinction or close to it, except humans. For another there are hints of an ancient, technologically advanced civilization in the backstory of FFT: hints including the airship graveyard and the descriptive text of Guns as being rare, long-lost technology. This technology is present-day during FF12, indicating that the ancient civilization of FFT and the world of FF12 are one and the same.
FFTA is more complicated. It is not the real Ivalice: it is a dream version created by the wishes of Mewt, a boy living in the real world (or a world much like our own) who comes to be in possession of a magical book, the Gran Grimoire. During the opening scenes of the game the characters (in the game) mention how they like Final Fantasy games, and wish they lived in one. The book actually makes that happen, creating an alternate reality Ivalice. The specific game that Marche and Mewt were thinking of when they "wished" for a new world was... FF12! The character Montblanc, the clans, races (viera, bangaa, nu mou, moogles), jagd, and so forth all exist because the Book attempted to create a world like FF12, the game. Yes, this implies that the events of FFTA occur AFTER FF12 was released in Japan, so presumably in wintertime during one of the past two years, or this coming winter. However, in all other ways the world of Ivalice from FFTA is unrelated to the Ivalice of FFT and FF12. It is a fiction based upon a second fiction.
FFTA is more complicated. It is not the real Ivalice: it is a dream version created by the wishes of Mewt, a boy living in the real world (or a world much like our own) who comes to be in possession of a magical book, the Gran Grimoire. During the opening scenes of the game the characters (in the game) mention how they like Final Fantasy games, and wish they lived in one. The book actually makes that happen, creating an alternate reality Ivalice. The specific game that Marche and Mewt were thinking of when they "wished" for a new world was... FF12! The character Montblanc, the clans, races (viera, bangaa, nu mou, moogles), jagd, and so forth all exist because the Book attempted to create a world like FF12, the game. Yes, this implies that the events of FFTA occur AFTER FF12 was released in Japan, so presumably in wintertime during one of the past two years, or this coming winter. However, in all other ways the world of Ivalice from FFTA is unrelated to the Ivalice of FFT and FF12. It is a fiction based upon a second fiction.
jaundicejuice
Member
Madness!
charlequin
Banned
I... don't know that I care for these changes that people are talking about. Increased points to level up jobs? Lack of ability shouts? No stealing the sweet equipment from that dude? I'm definitely still excited about the stuff that is new and cool in this version, but I can't actually think of a reason why any of those things would be more fun than the alternative.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The Sphinx said:
This guy's good.
Can you connect FFT and FF12?
Can you connect FFT and FF12?
Demigod Mac
Member
SpudBud said:
It's very common. Happens on any ability with spell animations (Potions, even). It's just that the slowdown isn't as noticeable on abilities that happen fairly quickly.
If the spell has a windup animation, it's really bad. If the spell effect hits quickly and fades out (like Fire and Thunder), it's not too bad.
I wonder why it happens. Could it be the bit depth? Jeanne d'Arc was 16-bit and had a lot of dithering artifacts, but little slowdown. Is the PSP's fill rate being stressed with all the transparency effects of FFT?
charlequin
Banned
Ceb said:
Right, but, uh, FFT and FF12 (and Vagrant Story) are intended to have an (admittedly vague) storyline connection to one another, while the Baron thing is really just a throwaway reference.
SailorDaravon said:
That sucks, but at least I don't have to spend 5-6 hours trying to steal his equipment like I did in the original.
50 JP, that's like two or three uses of Focus. 100 would be 4-6. That's really not that big of a deal if you're grinding.
The job level requirements are a pain though, my guys are like nearing level 30 and I've barely got samurai unlocked. I'm trying to unlock mime ASAP for my guys so their future levels aren't gimped (I don't plan on spending hours doing deleveling).
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Were they really though, or was it just retconned after Matsuno left in order to better market the "Ivalice Alliance".
The only confirmation I've ever seen didn't start until the IA project started, and they first released that timeline after FF XII had released (in that... big Japanese info book.. I forget the technical name for them).
Up until then, I had always just thought any Ivalice connections were just like chocobos and Bahamut -- something Matsuno liked to make reappear in various forms, reference, etc.
The only confirmation I've ever seen didn't start until the IA project started, and they first released that timeline after FF XII had released (in that... big Japanese info book.. I forget the technical name for them).
Up until then, I had always just thought any Ivalice connections were just like chocobos and Bahamut -- something Matsuno liked to make reappear in various forms, reference, etc.
KyanMehwulfe said:
No, I think there was definitely an intention on Matsuno's part to tie the various Ivalice games he created (as in, not FFXII: RW or FFT A2 or whatever else is in the works) together... loosely, at least. Mentioning Agrias in Vagrant Story, heavily mentioning Valendia (of Vagrant Story) in FFXII, having FFTA take place in FFXII... various things like that.
The one thing I'm reeeeaaaallly not liking about the translation is the fact that they keep referring to "gods," not "God." Everything about the world and religion of FFT was structurally set up to mirror monotheistic organized religion and I don't like that they're using the retranslation to alter the substance of the game for the sake of what I can only assume is a desire not to offend people.
ethelred said:
This is something I actually overlooked until my g/f brought it up as not being like that in the original. Just shows how long it's actually been since I've played I guess. Some of the changes are a little wince worthy at times, but overall (and compared to the original) I'm so in love with the tone and style of new dialog.
Come on guys, lets stop pretending that FFT is near FFXII's or any other Ivalice game's timeline simply because Balthier/Montblanc make cameo appearances. So does Luso and hey guess what, CLOUD! I'd like someone explain to me how Cloud managed to find his way here, oh wait, thats right, THE GAME MUST BE NEAR FFVII's TIMELINE!
Anyways, thanks to the postal strike here in England, I've been without this game
Anyways, thanks to the postal strike here in England, I've been without this game
ethelred said:
I don't know if political correctness is the motivation. FFXII and FFT both borrow heavily from A Song of Ice and Fire in phrasing and vocabulary, and those books have a polytheistic society. I think "gods" might have just carried over from there.
I'm not very far, though, so I don't know if any of the actual religious story elements have been altered.
Splash Wave
Member
So what's the trick to amassing JP? I'm
and my characters just feel, well, lame. I've done a fair amount of battling outside the main story, but I don't feel like any of my units are progressing very much.
fighting Weigraf
tokkun said:
If you change Ivalice from monotheistic to polytheistic, that is changing a major story element. It's part of the world, part of the story, part of the culture. It's a central element of the religious mythology the entire game is based upon -- and right now I'm really worried what it's going to look like when I get to The Book.
I don't know, maybe it's the way it is because they took it from a book series instead of because they were trying to be PC (I'm skeptical) -- it doesn't matter though. That wouldn't make it any better. It's still a massive alteration to the story. Martin's religions are extremely well developed within his writing and they inform every part of his story and world; it was the same with Ivalice.
This is exactly the sort of thing that shouldn't be tampered with in a localization or re-localization. It'd be like if someone did a retranslation of Tactics Ogre and purged the ethnic cleansing from the game or mucked around with one of the three primary religions covered as a central element of that storyline.
DXMachina said:
Get the JP Up skill from the Squire class on your characters.
Go into a random battle, kill all but one enemy and wound that enemy until it runs and hides. Then keep doing abilities that buff your stats since you'll gain JP each time.
If you're winning a battle handily, you can attack your own teammates to gain JP.
ethelred said:
I agree 100%, I'm just saying that it might not be intentional. It may be that there are later characters who refer to a monotheistic God, too. I think it's realistic to expect that some characters are more devout than others. I think if they were trying to be PC, they wouldn't use terms like "whoresons", but I guess we'll see later on. Religion is more of a hotbutton topic these days than it was when the PSX version came out :/
KZObsessed
Member
I got my copy today! This is the first time I've ever played the game and WOW! Its incredible, I sunk 7 straight hours into today, couldn't put it down! I got no work done today at all.. which is great!
Just a couple of questions for those who've played it before:
* Does it have a New Game + option so I could play it again in the future?
* I was just reading some posts about Genji armour you have to steal, are there any other important/special items that you only have one chance to get that I should be aware of? I hate missing secrets!
Just a couple of questions for those who've played it before:
* Does it have a New Game + option so I could play it again in the future?
* I was just reading some posts about Genji armour you have to steal, are there any other important/special items that you only have one chance to get that I should be aware of? I hate missing secrets!
Liabe Brave
Member
tokkun said:
I don't know about that. I think it's just that they're both borrowing from actual past speech. While Martin's first couple books came out before Vagrant Story, I really didn't see much influence there. It's just prototypically "ye olde timey"--sometimes too much so. And the FFXII and new FFT translations are just extensions of the style Smith established with Vagrant Story.
Edited to add: There's very few items you only have one chance to steal, but there's a decent amount of times you can steal better equipment than is buyable (or than is affordable). I often keep an NPC with Steal and start the battle looking for rich targets. Named enemies are more likely to carry great stuff, though stealing from them is usually harder.
Also, stealing weapons you don't even need is great fun. Nothing like burly enemy knights reduced to punching and rock throwing! Couple extra gil, too.
Liabe Brave
Member
ethelred said:
Ah, they do that in Tactics? I don't remember it in FF XII, and a search of two different script versions on Gamefaqs didn't turn it up either.
Pellham said:
As I understand it's confirmed that these take place in the same world, but timewise hundreds of years or more apart. I think what he's saying is that Balthier, Luso, and Cloud's appearances shouldn't be taken as canon, given the obvious impossibility due to the time differences. If you've got a quote from S-E anywhere stating that Balthier, Luso, and Cloud being in FFT is canon and there is a rational explanation for it, I'd like to see it (seriously).
Edit: Scan from the official FFXII Ultimania Omega book confirms FFT and FFXII in the same world (obviously), but at different times, with FFT being after FFXII.
You could arguably debate FFT taking a place about 500+ years after FFXII based on the distances on the timeline, but there's no confirmation either way on the exact number of years. Vagrant Story appears to be chronologically after FFT based on the fact there's a quote from Durai in it, which would place it at least 400 years after FFT.
It kinda sucks since now that Matsuno is gone, any grand vision he had for Ivalice as a whole is kinda fucked.
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tokkun said:
Vagrant Story was a definate "sequel" to FFT. Matsuno originally had the game series as the Zodiac Brave Story, with FFT being the 3rd episode, and I can't remember which episode# Vagrant Story was, but it was set sometime after FFT.
Now draw the logical conclusions here. FFTA was produced by Matsuno, and FF12 has an obvious relationship with FFTA. FFT/VS/FF12 all use the same world map. Obviously Matsuno was behind everything.
Everything Ivalice-related going forward, though, is going to be as related to Matsuno's original vision as the three Ogre games that were made after he left Quest in 1995.
No I don't, but I meant what you described in your post anyway. Obviously Luso and Balthier appearing in FFT are ludicrous fanservice, but the games still take place in the same universe. I thought the guy was trying to deny that they were in the same universe.
There's been a lot of fan speculation that FFT's story was originally going to be one of the earlier Ogre Battle episodes (possibly the 3rd episode) but it's never been confirmed. In either case, the two series are not related, as the Ogre Battle series takes place in the real world and Ivalice takes place in Ivalice.
Liabe Brave said:
Not Vagrant Story, but FFXII and FFT. The references are glaring in my opinion. "Manse", "mummers", "sellswords", those are not commonly used words. Have you ever heard the phrase "mummer's farce" used in anything besides FFXII and ASoIaF? They even refer to Basche as "Kingslayer" once in FFXII.