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The Order: 1886 main characters run over 100K polys each
- Thread starter Loudninja
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Honestly? Given the numbers the characters don't look too impressive, light and effects make them look more realistic but imo the models are not that good for the complexity they have.
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if true than i deny what i have just said, that's look like a waste of complexity, it doesn't look nowhere near as good as Marius or The Order characters.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
You'll have a hard time finding a game with a solid framerate 6-8 months prior to release.
CambriaRising
Member
dat post history.
no wonder you say things like this.
Oh god, you weren't kidding.
funny
SneakyStephan
Banned
I can't wait for multiplatform games to leave last gen behind and have more polygons in environments (not just tesselating the shit out of a tree or a valve as added bells and whistles)
crysis 3 would have looked so much better if the environments didn't look so last gen polygon budget wise
Look at this 20.000 polygon tree! but don't look at the 200 polygon reactor room
These character models look very good, maybe now that 'diminishing returns' nonsense for geometry can go away
crysis 3 would have looked so much better if the environments didn't look so last gen polygon budget wise
Look at this 20.000 polygon tree! but don't look at the 200 polygon reactor room
These character models look very good, maybe now that 'diminishing returns' nonsense for geometry can go away
Completely agree. I think a lot of people are going to be shocked at what these consoles are able to do once PS3/360 get dropped.
dragonbane
Member
I mean, I would like to believe, but it sounds pretty insane still.
Huh? they look fantastic.
ultratruman
Banned
RAD are definitely a talented studio, but seeing what can be achieved, less than one year in, by a former PSP dev has left me choking to see Uncharted.
They've been working on this for 3 years (since 2011 I believe). Naughty Dog will no doubt melt minds, that said, I can't imagine they can blow away The Order from a visuals standpoint. This game looks outstanding.
I'm just happy that Sony is working with another developer on PS4 that can make games at the same level as ND. Hopefully Sony brings them into SWWS at some point.
Oh you right my bad!Hey! Stop sounding like a shill!
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
That's the way I look at it, but the disagreements stem from resolution being considered from two different perspectives. If people want to argue about whether the resolution is "technically impressive" or whatever, they talk about how it's actually missing pixels compared to a standard 1080p picture, therefore the game shouldn't be counted among true 1080p games.
If we're talking about image quality (which I think is obviously more important, but others are entitled to disagree) then the game is equal to a 1080p game in the way that matters and the black bars are irrelevant. Of course you can slippery slope that argument and posit an absurd example in which a game is 90% black bars with the equivalent pixel density of 1080p. I think that's pointless as it will never happen, but it illustrates a technical flaw in this particular conception of resolution.
I think both perspectives are defensible and the problem stems from people talking past each other with these different perspectives without being fully aware of them.
TetraGenesis
Member
Hahahahahaha, no no no. I did not like Derrick01 but even I think that's an insult to him. Hahaha.
Tim Dog is just an extreme ignorant fanboy that is good for a laugh here and there.
I don't like it when they come out with info like this. 95% of the populace (me included) don't really know how this affects gameplay, other than to a point, more is better. So if it is later released that the characters only have 90K polygons, most will look at it as a negative. I saw how Ryse got unjustly hammered for that. I think its best to let the game speak for itself.
BradleyLove
Member
It's really simple.
KZ:SF is full screen native 1080p.
BF4 is upscaled 1080p.
The Order is letterboxed native 1080p.
I don't see what the argument is? Your TV receives a native 1080p signal. The content is presented in a letterboxed format.
It's that simple.
dragonbane
Member
They do. Only the ears bother me still. They look fine though for Isabeau.
They should be able to beat RaD rather easily, but yeah "blowing away" sounds a bit too extreme at this point. It will get better and better, but at the end of the gen The Order will probably still look good enough. I imagine RaD likes to stay independent though. Sony shouldn't force anything.
TetraGenesis
Member
dat post history.
no wonder you say things like this.
Hahahahaha
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
So you share my perspective that pixel density is the crucial element.
People with the other perspective will argue (correctly) that letterboxed 1080p requires fewer resources than full screen 1080p. If you are a person who cares very much about how "impressive" a technical achievement is, rather than strictly how the end result looks, you will say The Order is able to achieve better looking graphics because it's rendering fewer pixels and as a result you won't be as impressed as you would have been if it was rendering full screen 1080p.
It's not a matter of one perspective being right and the other wrong, it's that what you fundamentally care about (pixel density vs. absolute number of pixels rendered) determines your opinion on the matter. If people can clearly identify their own perspective then these arguments will cease and everyone can just be comfortable in their own preferences/values for what aspect of resolution matters to them.
Me too. Look at this shot. I'm not even sure if it's in-game or pre-rendered, but what is up with his left ear lobe?! Looks low poly as well
May be it's the black water
Does that number include the clothes? Or is that a separate entity?
That number does sound quite high, but unless they post an identical comparison video/gif/pictures, except with less and more polygons, we won't know if they've hit a point of diminishing returns. Most character models, or no character models in a game aren't just the result of a certain number of polygons -- it's a combination of polygons, mapping, shading, lighting and textures.
Case in point; that does not, necessarily, have anything to do with the amount of polygons. It's most likely a stretched texture. The more polygons, the smoother the area, and less means more jagged.
I think more polygons, in that range, is mostly useful for complex animation and such..
That number does sound quite high, but unless they post an identical comparison video/gif/pictures, except with less and more polygons, we won't know if they've hit a point of diminishing returns. Most character models, or no character models in a game aren't just the result of a certain number of polygons -- it's a combination of polygons, mapping, shading, lighting and textures.
Me too. Look at this shot. I'm not even sure if it's in-game or pre-rendered, but what is up with his left ear lobe?! Looks low poly as well
Case in point; that does not, necessarily, have anything to do with the amount of polygons. It's most likely a stretched texture. The more polygons, the smoother the area, and less means more jagged.
I think more polygons, in that range, is mostly useful for complex animation and such..
Yeah I agree. But you can't deny that the entire ear is low poly. The top half isn't remotely smooth
LookAtMeGo
Member
The ear isn't too flattering in this shot either.Me too. Look at this shot. I'm not even sure if it's in-game or pre-rendered, but what is up with his left ear lobe?! Looks low poly as well
May be it's the black water
But her ear looks lovely
LilWayneSuckz
Member
You've mastered the spelling of the word shocked, so I think you'll be fine.
The pic of Galahad running in the middle of that huge street with Lafayette shooting up into the rooftops is making my mouth water...and I've seen that trailer about a dozen times, I am so hyped. Give me all the polygons, Based Andrea Pessino
There was a video from E3 showfloor with devs from QD moving camera, describing the tech and showcasing wireframe mode. Dig it up on YT.
dragonbane
Member
Yeah it's weird how hard it seems to get the ears right. You probably need a lot of polys to get them round. Most games suffer from this. Even The Last of Us had this problem:Me too. Look at this shot. I'm not even sure if it's in-game or pre-rendered, but what is up with his left ear lobe?! Looks low poly as well
May be it's the black water
They actually looked pretty good in Beyond for the main characters:
But some side-characters had ugly ears again:
The Dark Sorcerer looks really good:
Most hideous award goes to L.A. Noire:
LittleIdeaSLT
Member
Damn straight. I didn't notice the black bars in Beyond either.
Everybody watches movies with a 2.35 aspect ratio and I've never once heard someone complain, "Argh, those damn bars!"
I wish people stop saying this because it does not make sense.
Also again with the hallway comments.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Have they mentioned Connie Nielsen by name yet?
But her ear looks lovely
This is a paint-over concept art piece, meaning that there is stuff painted over the 3D model.
Her ear has been painted over, at least on the right side.
better than elbows confirmed
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Our resident bro tim dog has something to say about this:
This guy is the next voltaire. I swear.
Some of his other past tweets are equally cringe worthy. Is he around here in neogaf?
Someone from 1998 asked what the polycount was and they answered.
Yeah he's dating Devolution
I just assumed you meant your left. And the "low poly" area, like you said seems, like it's by design (As in, mimicking an ear, not a lowered polycount.), but maybe not.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Hmm, I'm not sure if I noticed any frame rate drops from the gameplay snippets that has been released. IGN folks however mentioned the build they got to see had performance issues and the developers immediately acknowledged that it will be fixed then and there and nothing to worry about.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Hmm, well then. Nevermind.
Someone beat you to that joke sorry.
vpance
Member
Lena Headey.