Joe Molotov
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Gigglepoo said:Is 1989 a reference to the Genesis launch?
He said 1889, which is when Nintendo was founded.
Gigglepoo said:Is 1989 a reference to the Genesis launch?
Joe Molotov said:He said 1889, which is when Nintendo was founded.
It was the worst thing that happened to Rare, I'll give you that. In the end though, I think it's still a net gain for Nintendo. Especially since they continue to get Rare games on the GBA/DS.Gigglepoo said:No one seems to agree with my belief that selling Rare was a huge mistake... for both companies.
Rare was the most important developer for the Nintendo 64, including EAD. They singlehandedly carried that system, making mainstream hits for both older (GE) and younger (BK) gamers, along with niche games (Blast Corps) to fill out the lineup. Without Rare, the N64 would have been one of the worst systems around. With them, it was one of my favorite consoles.
Furthermore, Rare would excel on the Wii. They are imaginative and creative. They are not a "mature" developer. They, like Nintendo, are at their best when they make games for everyone. With Rare on the Wii now we would have huge, great games to play while we wait for Nintendo's own big guns. With Rare we would have a company showing why motion controls are important instead of just tacking them on to existing games. Nintendo made a ton of money initially, but I think selling Rare ultimately hurt them.
I don't have a list made out, but I would definetely put this sale near the top. I agree with Kohler that going with carts for the N64 was the biggest mistake Nintendo has ever made.
Yeah. I don't recall Nintendo saying graphics technology is something that should never be improved, but that it's not worth focusing on so much that the machine becomes large, more difficult to manufacture, sold at a loss, and expensive for the consumer.Beezy said:wrong
Monk said:Rare changed for the worse when they were second party to Nintendo. Their games were so much better in the NES days. Hopefully now that they are out of Nintendo's clutches we get to see more of the likes of Marble Madness, Battletoads and Wizards and Warriors.
JoshuaJSlone said:Yeah. I don't recall Nintendo saying graphics technology is something that should never be improved, but that it's not worth focusing on so much that the machine becomes large, more difficult to manufacture, sold at a loss, and expensive for the consumer.
Oblivion said:Well...if they were worrying about the consumer, they could have made a console packed quite a punch at the same price they're selling Wii now. I'd actually imagine it could probably be more powerful relative to when the GC launched, especially at the higher price.
"Doesn't respect personal space"Jive Turkey said:I'm kinda surprised the list didn't include "Looking at me funny" or "Held hug a little too long".
That wouldn't make my list! I thought everybody had forgiven Nintendo for that one by prom time.ShockingAlberto said:"Stole the project I wanted in high school Sociology"
WTF? Why should they, or anyone else, care about their PR line? Their reputation would be hurt far more by making their system so riduculously underpowered. I can't believe just two points later you brought up the "consumers don't want online games" quote. Doesn't that prove they don't care about what they said years ago?Because what do you do next? Five years from now, when the PS4 and NextBox show up, they're going to jump in hardware power again. And then Nintendo's left with a machine that looks two generations old instead of one. And if Nintendo bites the bullet and gives the machine a visual kick in the pants, well there goes its whole mantra that graphics don't matter.
Is that so?The motion controls, now considered somewhere in between "the best damn thing that's ever happened in the world" to "gimmicky stupid childish nonsense," will be super played out and exploited.
Will they now?Casuals will be tired of Wii Sports, with no interest in shelling out $50 for a Wii Sports 2, and the typical gamer will be more interested in playing something with a normal controller, one you don't have to clear the room for.
ferricide said:in my experience that's the inevitable result of putting up a website/printing a magazine anyway. =)
yes, i'm interested to hear what people think of this article. and i'm not just putting it up on GAF for cheap clicks (i won't complain about them either!) i'm mostly putting it up because nobody on GAF reads gamesradar right now, really, and we do have a lot of interesting content these days.
of course, this article isn't well-tailored to the GAF audience (1up does a great job of targeting the GAF audience; we aren't really trying) because, as has been pointed out, this is information that most people around here would know.
but there it is. not too cynical in the end, is it?
Guess some of our opinions dont matter then, eh?ferricide said:sure!
that works for me. i'm genuinely curious what people think. well, people who are you, so far.
What the hell does this mean? Nintendo wont release a new machine when the others do? You imply that they will be two generations behind then. So I guess your assuming that they wont be making another gaming console? You should be fired just for that alone, but I will continue.ferricide said:Because what do you do next? Five years from now, when the PS4 and NextBox show up, they're going to jump in hardware power again. And then Nintendo's left with a machine that looks two generations old instead of one.
This whole part is so riddled with stupidity, I dont even know where to start, so I guess at the begining. "Super played out, and exploited". Kinda like the analog stick? Shoulder buttons? Digital pad? face buttons?!?!? Good god. Comparing Nintendo's Wii, wich is on global fire right now to a pet rock, snap bracelets, or, for the love of god, sega is even more grounds for firing. Sega was a fad? I mean the whole company? As for the kick in the pants visually, wouldnt that come with, ya know, a new machine? You seem to be implying, once again, that Nintendo cant release a, *gasp*, new machine(You know, just like the competition) with an update in graphics. My brain just cant seem to understand what the HELL your talking about, at all.ferricide said:The motion controls, now considered somewhere in between "the best damn thing that's ever happened in the world" to "gimmicky stupid childish nonsense," will be super played out and exploited. Unless there's some other gameplay innovation on the horizon, Wii could be viewed as a fad, susceptible to the same fickle emotions that killed snap bracelets, pet rocks and Sega. And if Nintendo bites the bullet and gives the machine a visual kick in the pants, well there goes its whole mantra that graphics don't matter. There's just enough steam with this idea to last one generation, and none after that
ferricide said:Today, the Wii is insanely popular with almost every audience. But if this wave of good vibes ever ends, Nintendo's gonna be stranded. Casuals will be tired of Wii Sports, with no interest in shelling out $50 for a Wii Sports 2, and the typical gamer will be more interested in playing something with a normal controller, one you don't have to clear the room for.
Sure we love Super Paper Mario and can't wait to see Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but do either of these games have anything to do with the Wii Remote's primary function? Nope. And most third party games that find their way onto the system have control setups that baffle even the most hardcore of gamers. Hold B while flicking up to swing a punch? Please. Nintendo better have some crazy unique ideas coming up or we'll have to start clutching our DS systems even closer.
Oh dear God...You mean 10 years from now we're going to see a bunch of random fanboys furiously masturbating to Wii Sports still claimg it is "THE BEST GAME EVER!!!" while clamoring for a remake?Deku said:I stopped reading when the author mentioned the red herring 'what if people tire of Wii sports' argument. It's about as valid as asking the question 'What if people tire of FF VII'
not AFAIK, but i'd be happy to hear if it is.tanod said:Isn't there a rule about pimping your own content? If this article had any worthwhile content, somebody could have created a legitimate thread.
this isn't alliwantforxmasisapsp. it's pointing out an article. this article made it onto digg and kotaku without my help. i just brought it onto GAF because i post here and i know that a lot of people don't read GR habitually here. the mods are well aware of my identity as well, and i make no effort to hide it.GAF TOS said:F. Spam
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some, sure. but there's actually been lots of interesting discussions later on in the thread, so we all win!moku said:Guess some of our opinions dont matter then, eh?
ferricide said:some, sure. but there's actually been lots of interesting discussions later on in the thread, so we all win!
tanasten said:What a shit of article. I didn't read two lines.
Stop It said:Also, the Number 1 mistake has been disputed so many times, because neither party has really said much about the matter since, to say Nintendo screwed Sony royally could be totally untrue, after all there still are claims flying about that Sony wanted near total creative control over games coming to the Playstation, effectively turning Ninty into a glorified 3rd party, the Sony issue hurt Nintendo big time, but I truly think the alternative may have destroyed Nintendo, rather than just allowing a rival through the door.
7 - Creating the Wii
Buttseckslol said:My top 7:
7. Poop
6. LOL
5. Poop
4. LOL
3. Poop
2. LOL
1. WII
iamblades said:The deal with the Sony wasn't good for Nintendo, but from what I understand, Sony made it not financially viable for Nintendo, so they really had no choice, either Sony took a larger percentage of their profit and control over their product, or they take a large percentage of their marketshare with a competing product. Either way, they were screwed.
Jive Turkey said:Oh dear God...You mean 10 years from now we're going to see a bunch of random fanboys furiously masturbating to Wii Sports still claimg it is "THE BEST GAME EVER!!!" while clamoring for a remake?
jinx said:Finally, the only thing that I didn't see listed -- which wouldn't qualify as anything but a stupid idea, not a major business failure -- is the stupid idea of "connectivity." GBA<->GC and DS<->Wi
I totally agree with you. I was just doing some B level forum trolling of my own.Deku said:My point was, hanging their entire argument on one game is lazy argumentation and its B level forum trolling material we've seen on GAF before.
EricDiesel said:7. Glover 64: Srsly, guys. WTF was with this game? A glove on a ball? Nintendo can suck MY balls.
6. Making the Gamecube top loading: The fact that the PS2 had a front loading tray gave it a huge advantage over the Gamecube. It gave more gigapixel processing to the PPU transistor unit. That's why it RULZ.
5. Kiddy BS: Why is mario still a cutesy little pickle puffer? Give him a gun, a chainsaw, a few grenades and a posse. Also, Princess Toadstool should be a stripper with huge DD knockers. And Yoshi? Velociraptor. 'Nuff said.
4. Faulty hardware: How many times do I need to blow on my Rescue Rangers NES cartidge before it will work? And the powerglove SUX.
3. Four player multiplayer: Who has three friends? I sure don't. What's the point, Nintendo?
2. Won't let Microsoft buy them: Give it up, guys. You're washed up. Why can't you make good games like Fusion Frenzy and Blinx The Sucky Cat? Let MSoft buy you already.
1. The Wii: WTF. WTF. WTF. MIRITE? LOL. First, the name. "I'M THE WII COME PLAY WITH MY WII WII!!" Secondly, nobody is buying it because nobody wants to waggle about like a little dumb girl. And finally, it has been out for 5 months and not a single game is innovative. WAY TO SCREW UP AGAIN NINTENDO.
Done. I dont know how I saved it at 140. Honest.-jinx- said:moku -- your avatar is too tall. Fix it ASAP.
EricDiesel said:No. 100% serious.
This list is gold! Send it to press!EricDiesel said:7. Glover 64: Srsly, guys. WTF was with this game? A glove on a ball? Nintendo can suck MY balls.
6. Making the Gamecube top loading: The fact that the PS2 had a front loading tray gave it a huge advantage over the Gamecube. It gave more gigapixel processing to the PPU transistor unit. That's why it RULZ.
5. Kiddy BS: Why is mario still a cutesy little pickle puffer? Give him a gun, a chainsaw, a few grenades and a posse. Also, Princess Toadstool should be a stripper with huge DD knockers. And Yoshi? Velociraptor. 'Nuff said.
4. Faulty hardware: How many times do I need to blow on my Rescue Rangers NES cartidge before it will work? And the powerglove SUX.
3. Four player multiplayer: Who has three friends? I sure don't. What's the point, Nintendo?
2. Won't let Microsoft buy them: Give it up, guys. You're washed up. Why can't you make good games like Fusion Frenzy and Blinx The Sucky Cat? Let MSoft buy you already.
1. The Wii: WTF. WTF. WTF. MIRITE? LOL. First, the name. "I'M THE WII COME PLAY WITH MY WII WII!!" Secondly, nobody is buying it because nobody wants to waggle about like a little dumb girl. And finally, it has been out for 5 months and not a single game is innovative. WAY TO SCREW UP AGAIN NINTENDO.
JDSN said:That article was full of stupid crap, but that one wins the prize.
I dont understand why isnt Gamedaily banned, especially after this crappy "feature".
oh my freaking god it was a jokeGigglepoo said:My mistake. I have no idea why someone would have written 1889, though. Is it to show off that you knew when Nintendo was founded? The topic was third party relations. They did not have to worry about other card companies wanting to develop for Nintendo's proprietary format back then.