MrCunningham
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You're Phil Fish?
I'm Phil Fish.
I'm a cartoon giraffe pretending to be Phil Phish.
You're Phil Fish?
I'm Phil Fish.
I believe it was taken off youtube because they (the Indie Game: The Movie folks) started selling it.
Critical acclaim doesn't mean much. Hell, the AC franchise is universally loved by critics. It's still boring as shit game design with terrible narrative. His point is still valid, he doesn't like Japanese games.
Note: I'm not agreeing with Fish, I love many Japanese games, I'm just pointing out that you said something pretty pointless.
He wasn't giving an opinion, he was making a general statement of quality. "I don't like Japanese games" is a personal opinion. "Your games suck" and "Your country's games are fucking terrible" are general assertions.
What a load of pedantic bullshit. If I say "Mario games suck", there's an obvious implied "I think" at the beginning of it. You don't have to preface every statement with "I think/don't think" or "I like/don't like" for people to understand it's your personal opinion.
Phil Fish got treated the way he did because of the way he treated others. That's probably all there is to it. Whoever was responsible for his upbringing seemingly failed to teach him a modicum of tact, respect and manners. Internet fame just amplified this.
What if you say it at GDC, when speaking to a Japanese developer, at a conference attended by your peers? You are trying to state it as a fact. His argument is that they are objectively inferior games. His argument is that the entire nation has been left behind because they are worse at game design.
Did you see that ludicrous display on Fish's twitter last night?
What if you say it at GDC, when speaking to a Japanese developer, at a conference attended by your peers? You are trying to state it as a fact. His argument is that they are objectively inferior games. His argument is that the entire nation has been left behind because they are worse at game design.
He said "we are kicking your ass." So he drew the division along racial lines, and then said that collectively western design is objectively superior for reasons x and y, and then used sales as the proof. That is all fully implied. And it was delivered in such a blunt and rude way that the whole audience gasped, and the guy he humiliated literally had nightmares that night.But the bolded part is just your words now. Opinions are subjective by definition.
Phil Fish got treated the way he did because of the way he treated others. That's probably all there is to it. Whoever was responsible for his upbringing seemingly failed to teach him a modicum of tact, respect and manners. Internet fame just amplified this.
Didn't it also turn out Fish is bipolar? Weird that the video never brought that up as a point.
He said "we are kicking your ass." So he drew the division along racial lines, and then said that collectively western design is objectively superior for reasons x and y, and then used sales as the proof. That is all fully implied. And it was delivered in such a blunt and rude way that the whole audience gasped, and the guy he humiliated literally had nightmares that night.
He didn't take it as "just his opinion," and more importantly, this was the prevailing opinion pushed in the media for 7 years at that point as a fact.
Yeah, I didn't say it did, and I've never done that personally. I don't even have a twitter account.Touche then, but I still don't think that deserves the hate it got, more than the millions of hateful comments posted all around the internet.
People sure like defending celebrities.
If the video's going to go in-depth about Fish's public persona on the internet and how people react to it, I'd say it'd be a more relevant talking point than bringing up Nickelback.And?
People sure like defending celebrities.
What if you say it at GDC, when speaking to a Japanese developer, at a conference attended by your peers? You are trying to state it as a fact. His argument is that they are objectively inferior games. His argument is that the entire nation has been left behind because they are worse at game design.
How many people discussing personal opinions at GDC go home and have nightmares? The guy he humiliated did. It was not professional, and not an appropriate way to engage with one of your peers asking a polite question at a developer conference, right after he just complimented Fish's work.
See, I get what you mean, in that environment and position he should have definitely acted more thoughtfully.
He was asked what he, personally, thought of Japanese games. He gave his personal opinion.
If the video's going to go in-depth about Fish's public persona on the internet and how people react to it, I'd say it'd be a more relevant talking point than bringing up Nickelback.
Shame that you can't.
When games like Dark Souls, Bayonetta, Mario Galaxy, Monster Hunter, SMT IV, Vanquish, Dragon's Dogma, FXIV ARR and more all come out and garner considerable critical acclaim. When the biggest gameplay developments last generation in platormers, action games, RPGs and third-person shooters were spear headed by Japanese developers. Could you put a list similar to the above comprised solely of UK games? Or games from France?
Japan still punches way above its weight when it comes to a single country producing great games, and Fish made himself look like an utter arse when he dismissed the entire output of a single country. Sure, Japan doesn't match up to the entirety of the Western hemisphere, because then you're grouping together about a dozen countries. It was a stupid comment to make, and clearly untrue when you look at just how many Japanese games recently have come out and garnered huge acclaim.
He wasn't giving an opinion, he was making a general statement of quality. "I don't like Japanese games" is a personal opinion. "Your games suck" and "Your country's games are fucking terrible" are general assertions.
The video is partially about how people react to Fish and the concept of internet fandom/infamous-y in general, but also goes into why Fish acts the way he does. I would say a mental disorder that causes erratic mood swings has more relevancy to a video about maintaining public personas than a vague Nickelback comparison (agree with the earlier poster saying this part made way too many assumptions about that band and its fan/hatebase) or the ending point that Fish was a white/straight/cis guy.Why? What point does it illustrate?
I've never really seen that argument before, only real thing I've seen people accuse Fez of ripping off is Cave Story since their art styles are superficially similar. Not entirely sure either SPM or Fez is the first game to have a 2D/3D shifting perspective gimmick though, but then neither game's design really hinged solely on that feature either.I do think it's a real shame that discussion about Fez in many places is just dominated by discussion about Phil Fish and how much of an asshole he is. I really liked Fez, but in several places, it's a hard game to discuss. There are many who just dismissed it and a bizarrely popular argument is that it ripped off Super Paper Mario. I'll never get that one.
People allow for rudeness if they perceive that person to have talent and a back catalogue.
People formed their opinions on Phil before he had even released a game.
I've not played Fez just to say.
He wasn't giving an opinion, he was making a general statement of quality. "I don't like Japanese games" is a personal opinion. "Your games suck" and "Your country's games are fucking terrible" are general assertions.
interesting comparison, actually. nobody gives a shit when kamiya tells people to fuck off or talks shit about nintendo for changing bayo's boxart or blocks people for asking him which western games inspired him.
Now was what he said insensitive? Sure. Inappropriate? Yup. Disrespectful? Of course. But until we have thought police 1984-style, people are going to say insensitive, hurtful things to other people. They'll burn bridges, lose respect with their audience, etc etc, but they certainly have the right to put their foot in their mouth and voice a distasteful opinion.
Tried to watch the video, but I dislike how he goes in circles with his explanations. Also, don't know who Phil Fish is. Like his name though.
The video is partially about how people react to Fish and the concept of internet fandom/infamous-y in general, but also goes into why Fish acts the way he does. I would say a mental disorder that causes erratic mood swings has more relevancy to a video about maintaining public personas than a vague Nickelback comparison (agree with the earlier poster saying this part made way too many assumptions about that band and its fan/hatebase) or the ending point that Fish was a white/straight/cis guy.
Use it as part of a point about how people will ignore certain issues with someone when they want to hate them or something, I don't know, nor do I see why I should be explaining what argument points the creator for a video should've made when I don't agree with most of their points in the first place. I'm just saying that particular aspect would've made a lot more sense to bring up than some of the other reaching stuff they decided to focus on instead.