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Time: The 50 Best Video Games of All Time
- Thread starter MauroNL
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Oh yeah, i agree with what you are saying. There's no Deus Ex or original Xcom either. My problem was just with him/her saying that it shouldn't be on the list because he/she hasn't personally heard about it. I'm sure his reaction would be the same to some of the games you mentioned. I remember seeing Oregon Trail on some of these lists, could be how I actually discovered it personally. And it also got introduced to the videogame hall of fame same time as GTA III and Legend of Zelda.
BigBoss007
Member
6th position for Minecraft? Seems legit.
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Hesemonni
Banned
Yeah. That one really sticks out. Some strange omissions, but an entertaining list nevertheless.
The list looked ok until this random pick.
chromatic9
Member
I'm guessing in this list of important games they thought a Tomb Raider game has to on it and randomly put ROTTR in.
I'm going to take this as the Tomb Raider series/third person adventure
Also these type of lists always have way too much Zelda, like an unwritten law that you include lots of Zelda high up even if the list makers haven't played a single minute, like its sacrosanct and you'll lose face if you don't boringly include the token 2-3 Zelda games in the top 10
I'm going to take this as the Tomb Raider series/third person adventure
Also these type of lists always have way too much Zelda, like an unwritten law that you include lots of Zelda high up even if the list makers haven't played a single minute, like its sacrosanct and you'll lose face if you don't boringly include the token 2-3 Zelda games in the top 10
LegendofDragoonLives
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lol no one gives a fuck about ROTTR compared to TLOU bar a dozensofus.gif group of people (congrats on being part of this elite and incredibly small group of people). The game also came out over 3 years and it's held on an incredibly high standard. The game is one of the games last gen and to some it is the best game last generation on all platforms.
The game also has one of the best MPs game that I've ever played, even with a few issues and lack of game modes. If TLOU had a Search & Destroy in the mold of Call of Duty 1 and a few more maps, it might dethrone the King as my favorite MP game of all time.
I'm not much for sports gaming at all and can definitely understand putting some on the 'most influential' list... but what makes Madden 2k5 better than all the other sports games? What was it about that year in particular that made it stand out, when there's been over 25 years worth of Maddens?
iconoclast
Member
NFL 2k5 isn't Madden. It's the last NFL game Visual Concepts got to make since EA bought exclusivity to the license afterward. I don't really care about football and even I would say 2k5 was a great game. It's certainly better than any Madden I've ever played.
I was going to be angry if Halo Combat Evolved wasn't on there. I remember getting the game and the guide before I had an Xbox which were hard to come by at the time. I had read the guide inside and out and knew everything there was to know about the game before I even played it.
I stood in line for 2 hours when a certain store had a demo station of the game set up. I was in awe when I finally got my hands on the controller (remember the big ugly Xbox controllers that launched with the console?) and just getting lost in the game. Everything about the game was perfect. My favorite thing to do is snipe in that game. Something just very satisfying about it that I can't explain.
I stood in line for 2 hours when a certain store had a demo station of the game set up. I was in awe when I finally got my hands on the controller (remember the big ugly Xbox controllers that launched with the console?) and just getting lost in the game. Everything about the game was perfect. My favorite thing to do is snipe in that game. Something just very satisfying about it that I can't explain.
Honestly that's one of the best top 10s I've seen. Not going to comment on the full 50 but it made me really happy to see The Oregon Trail in there.
Who said anything about Madden? NFL 2K5 isn't a Madden title, different developer.
Who said anything about Madden? NFL 2K5 isn't a Madden title, different developer.
BobbyColtrane
Member
Overall I have very few complaints about the list, I am very pleasantly surprised to see The Legend of Zelda ranked so highly.
But to not have Street Fighter II, ANYWHERE on the list, is criminal.
But to not have Street Fighter II, ANYWHERE on the list, is criminal.
Sanctuary
Member
StarCraft is there. They just decided to go with the wrong iteration.
I have no interest in sports games so I didn't realize they were 2 different games
But why that particular year for that particular franchise?
ForsakenLotus
Member
Solid if not safe list, with one exception.
Rise of the Tomb Raider seems very conspicuous. Most of the games seem to be on the list because it was a landmark title in its genre or the industry itself - it explains stuff like Oregon Trail being in the top ten - but how is Tomb Raider on the list and Uncharted 2/3 and The Last of Us aren't? If a classic Tomb Raider is on the list then cool, it fits with everything else. But a decently well received sequel in an age where Naughty Dog are considered one of the best developers and their most beloved and acclaimed games are direct competitors to Tomb Raider really sticks out.
I would have liked to see Chrono Trigger in the list, but my second favorite and tied for second favorite games are Final Fantasy VI and VII so I'd be a hypocrite for chastising Time for the omission even if I think objectively CT might be slighter better than both and arguably almost as import as at least VI.
Rise of the Tomb Raider seems very conspicuous. Most of the games seem to be on the list because it was a landmark title in its genre or the industry itself - it explains stuff like Oregon Trail being in the top ten - but how is Tomb Raider on the list and Uncharted 2/3 and The Last of Us aren't? If a classic Tomb Raider is on the list then cool, it fits with everything else. But a decently well received sequel in an age where Naughty Dog are considered one of the best developers and their most beloved and acclaimed games are direct competitors to Tomb Raider really sticks out.
I would have liked to see Chrono Trigger in the list, but my second favorite and tied for second favorite games are Final Fantasy VI and VII so I'd be a hypocrite for chastising Time for the omission even if I think objectively CT might be slighter better than both and arguably almost as import as at least VI.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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But Carmen was released in 1985 as well and proliferated classrooms when computers were commonplace, stuff all classrooms had computers in the 70s. Also Carmen was far more distributed and taught with global geography not just a USA western story, outside the USA it was a more popular game in classrooms. I'd also argue it had more "video game aspects". Further Oregon Trail only reached popularity during the Apple II's push into the classroom during the mid 80s, in parallel to Carmen.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
No Mass Effect?
List is invalid for me at least - although I understand/agree with the placings of about 45 of the 50.
List is invalid for me at least - although I understand/agree with the placings of about 45 of the 50.
Voysa Reezun
Banned
ESPN NFL 2K5 did a few things that other games didn't do.
First, in terms of in-game mechanics, it had the best ever seen in a football game. It's hard to explain if you're not a huge football fan, but stuff like the receivers dragging their feet to stay in-bounds on sideline catches so that you could run certain routes (like out routes) effectively for pretty much the first time in a video game was HUGE as far as making for a real sim version of video football. There were tons of these mechanics that made it pretty much the most advanced sim ever seen at that time by a surprising margin. Madden took a lot of what 2K5 did and put that into future Madden games, in fact.
It had first-person QB'ing, which was another innovation.
It had the strongest presentation so far in terms of commentary and looking like an NFL game.
It also had the crib that you could upgrade and decorate, use to take on the teams of B- and C-list celebrities, acquire and listen to songs from the extensive soundtrack, etc. It was actually a pretty sweet diversion.
And finally, it was so good, so creative, and so diverse for a sim football game (and for only twenty dollars!) that Madden had to pay for exclusivity rights to making NFL games to kill the 2K football series. That's how great it was.
As far as this list, three sports games come to mind as worthy of consideration for a top fifty list:
- ESPN NFL 2K5
- Tecmo Super Bowl
- NBA Jam
Thanks for the detailed response! I'm a casual football fan but you definitely answered my questions. Seems the game was quite forward thinking and progressive. And yeah Tecmo Super Bowl and NBA Jam are awesome, I'd throw in NHL '94 and Baseball Stars as well, too.
Violence Jack
Member
GTA3 but no Vice City? Nah.
Thank god they included ESPN NFL 2K5. GOAT football sim.
Thank god they included ESPN NFL 2K5. GOAT football sim.
You think that no one who contributed to this list has played a Zelda game?
Soodanim
Member
I was born in 88 so I'm not too young based on what Wikipedia says. But I am from the UK, and that is not the game we had on our Apple machines in school. We had text adventures, but not that. I'm still surprised that despite having been on the internet and following gaming things all my life, I have no recollection of this ever being mentioned.
That said, the list in question is weird.
aygomyownroad
Member
Pretty solid list. Mine would be different but I can't argue with number 1, it is perfection in what a videogame should be.
Tetris rules.
Rise of the Tomb Raider seems a strange one. I've not played it but I have never heard anyone say its that good to be in a list like this, I would have put MGS or Uncharted 2 there.
Games like GTA 3 make it look like it's more influential games rather than best games as GTA: Vice City was superior.
Tetris rules.
Rise of the Tomb Raider seems a strange one. I've not played it but I have never heard anyone say its that good to be in a list like this, I would have put MGS or Uncharted 2 there.
Games like GTA 3 make it look like it's more influential games rather than best games as GTA: Vice City was superior.
Stiler
Member
Yes, Half Life 1 influenced the ENTIRE genre.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/re...ctive-the-game-that-changed-shooters-forever/
A good article going over what it did and the bar it set for games after it that many followed.
Basically before half life 1 most fps games were like Doom and Quake. They weren't strong on the narrative, they didn't tell a story in-game (rather most used cutscenes or things that pulled you "out" of the game) among other things.
Half life 1 brought about things like having scripted story elements while you playead 9rather then breaking the game for cutscene moments) and it brought in a good mix of puzzles and things apart from simply "shoot everything on your screen."
Without half life the fps genre mi
JuanLatino
Member
Mortal Kombat but no Street Fighter 2?
No Chrono Love
The fact that there is Rise of Tomb Raider and no The Last of Us is also baffling
No Chrono Love
The fact that there is Rise of Tomb Raider and no The Last of Us is also baffling
ForsakenLotus
Member
The best way to do a list like this is to break it down into genres and subgenres instead of throwing 50 games into a semi random list while also limiting it to one game per franchise unless two deserving games are significantly different (LoZ:ALttP+LoZ:OoT or SMBW+Super Mario Galaxy). People would still complain if Halo: CE is ahead of DOOM or Half-Life, but at least they could be comparing red apples to granny smith apples and not oranges to tomatoes.