So you are telling me that counter strike, TF2 and HL2 dont't have good gunplay?
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TitanFall (EA/Respawn, PC/XB1/360, Spring 2014, Game Informer Leak, All Info In OP)
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So you are telling me that counter strike, TF2 and HL2 dont't have good gunplay?
Counter-Strike is a HL1 engine game, and TF2 and HL2 have awful gunplay yes. TF2 has maybe one actual gun then the rest are rocket launchers and shotguns, HL2 just feels like every gun is shooting dildo bullets. Source engine :lol
thomasmahler
Member
The bigger problem is that the Source Engine is really old and horrible to work with. I'm still baffled that Respawn decided to use Source.
And this is why we can't be friends.
SniperHunter
Banned
compared to some modern shooters, they don't. I think F.E.A.R still has the best gun play ever, every bullet has an impact on the environment or the AI in that game.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Naw, HL2 gunplay is still pretty great even today.
I do agree about F.E.A.R though, but HL2 certainly holds it own very well against any modern shooter in gunplay.
This is more than likely going to be a heavily modified version of Source - Call of Duty (all games) runs on the Quake 2 engine to this day; they just keep building layers on top of it. The underlying Quake 2 engine is really strong in delivering 60fps so they keep using it to maximize profits , keep quality up and development time down. It's really smart to use a proven engine - as long as you have a talented team that recognize the engine's weaknesses and improve on them. Another example - Halo 4 still runs on the original, but heavily modified, Halo 1 engine.
I'm talking about CS: source. In my opinion it has some of the best accuracy, recoil and spread feedback. It actually takes skill to master the weapons. That's what I call good gunplay.
MDSLKTR
Member
So much wrong in that post.
Well that's certainly an opinion I never see. I'm glad the game has at least one fan
That's what I'm hoping. I know IW/Respawn won't have some CSS or HL2 shit tier gunplay but I'm not a fan of the physics of the Source engine either. We'll see what they can do at E3 (I hope)
Face it Tiger..
Banned
So how do you feel about CS:GO?
Prophet Steve
Member
I am also surprised at it using Source, and the development tools do feel quite archaic now, maybe they are using a new version of Source not available to the public though.
Can't see what benefit they would have by using it otherwise.
Well, the new Counter-Strike is not. Besides that, the gunplay has little to do with the engine.
That, and the thing that gunplay is a very vague term.
Can't see what benefit they would have by using it otherwise.
Well, the new Counter-Strike is not. Besides that, the gunplay has little to do with the engine.
That, and the thing that gunplay is a very vague term.
One fan? Right. That must be the reason I can never find people to play online.
It's bad enough that I'd rather play the game from 1999. That's all I can say about it while still being nice, let's get back on topic though.
MrMephistoX
Member
Sounds pretty cool but the average COD player probably won't get the West/Zampella connection.
im sure the box art will include "from the creators of COD4"
Doubt they can use Actvision IP to pimp their game.
Holly Caust
Banned
Wait it's not even using Source 2? lol
dragonelite
Member
You do know that pc version will probably also run the physics and AI on the cloud.
Are they allowed to?
Activision was allowed to use "From the makers of Halo" for Destiny so I don't see why not.
legacyzero
Banned
That's a bit different though. Bungie, and Destiny were not the subject to huge litigation and a giant IP fight.
Bungie's doing the same with Destiny though...
Edit:
This is true....
Don't see why not. That is their personal title.
scrapplejoe
Banned
any shot this could be a soft MMO like Destiny?
Wtf.. Sure HL2 gunplay was weak but that came out a while ago, CSGO has incredible gunplay.
Angelus Errare
Banned
How can they use an engine that's in development/not final nor released for developers or consumers?
FlutterPuffs
Member
Is it just me or will this be in Source 2, but it's just not named 'that' yet.
....then again Call of Duty was created with the Quake 3 engine as its backbone.
....then again Call of Duty was created with the Quake 3 engine as its backbone.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Glad for you to chirp in with that marvellous piece of information. I know what it does, but all of us are just surprised that they decided to use an 8 year old engine instead of the newer ones.
Speculating if it's using the Source 2 engine is fair for me, considering that Valve has been hinting that they are working on it a few months back. Would make sense if they're developing with it, like how Vampire: The Masquerade was the first game out using the Source Engine while Half-Life 2 was still in development.
source isn't 8 years old any more than the CoD engine is 14. it got its last big update 2 years ago with portal 2 and has seen continuous patches since, and i'm sure valve gives licensees access to whatever updates and dev tools they're working on now.
in addition to this we have no idea how much of stock source is being used, since i'm sure respawn will have custom AI and probably physics. any comments based on the extremely vague GI article are basically wild speculation and people complaining about HL2 gunplay being in titanfall are hilariously off-base.
in addition to this we have no idea how much of stock source is being used, since i'm sure respawn will have custom AI and probably physics. any comments based on the extremely vague GI article are basically wild speculation and people complaining about HL2 gunplay being in titanfall are hilariously off-base.
Pretty much. People don't realize that game engines are super modular and assume that previous implementations of things like "gunplay" or map streaming are the de facto implementations and they can't be improved.
Wolves Evolve
Member
Thanks for putting it this way, this page was driving me nuts.
dragonelite
Member
As far as i know an game engine license also mean you get the tool chain that the engine uses.
You can modify the game engine but if you're still using the toolchain then its technically still the same engine.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Ok granted that gunplay argument was amusing. Just wondering though, since it would be great to know what those in charge of developing the tech at Valve are up to.
Forsaken82
Member
Source isn't responsible for bad gun play... developers are.
And TF2's gun play is fine.
i doubt very much that respawn will say anything outright if they are using any parts of the engine that might be referred to as "source 2" (which is kind of a non-starter anyway since valve is probably just going to keep calling it source and it'll never be entirely thrown out and restarted from scratch)
I know a lot of developers write proprietary software or mods that works with engine toolsets if they need to do something that's outside of the scope of the stock tools. I imagine Respawn is no different.
Not when Bobby K is the gatekeeper of all things Call of Dooty.
SniperHunter
Banned
I don't think so, Half Life 2 is my favorite FPS game ever, but even Killzone 2 & 3 have better gun play.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Even KZ2 and KZ3? The gunplay is one of the best elements of KZ2/3.
HL2 has atrocious gunplay and there literally is no feedback from the gun. All the guns feel like pew pew shooters.
There must be something the allows that. Destiny is 'From the creators of Halo', even on Sony's stage.
Killzone 2 has great gun play, Killzone 3 is more generic.
I hate that they toned down the input lag in K3, K2 had one of the most amazing multiplayer components of any FPS game that I've ever played & it was largely to do with that it played like no other FPS.
kensama
Member
I'm also a subscriber, but i have nothing in Game Informer App on my tablet.
Any idea?