I don't see whats to stop Sony providing hooks for developers to use competitors to Azure like Amazon and Google.
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TitanFall (EA/Respawn, PC/XB1/360, Spring 2014, Game Informer Leak, All Info In OP)
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I don't see whats to stop Sony providing hooks for developers to use competitors to Azure like Amazon and Google.
dragonelite
Member
That is what im wondering is microsoft providing azure stuff for devs for free or with a healthy discount.
I guess local/offline multiplayer is now a thing of the past...
Looks very promising I hope this cboat is as trustworthy as everyone thinks he is, ill gladly wait a year and avoid the disaster of xbox one
I guess I maybe the only one, but offloading some tasks can happen on a virtual machine - http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/develop/net/compute/
MS spent a lot over the years building and developing Azure and I am kind of wonder what and how the Xbone will use it. Plus I have a little hope that it's not just a bunch of bull and PR talk.
I agree that latency would be a huge issue and I am not a game developer but maybe there are things that are not required in real time that can be calculated on a server.
Being able to offload calculations is pretty powerful but I doubt it is something a console requires a lot of and my main issue with the Xbone is the low power GPU which I don't think you can help out easily and within a reasonable time over a cloud infrastructure (I've only ever seen Azure's Compute functions in use with CPU intensive tasks).
Maybe they can offload the creation of programming entities/objects onto a server and once they are constructed/generated (not a rendered object but a coding object generated from a class) the object can be sent back to the client/console for it to be used at a later time by the game????
Also the easy thing to do with a cloud VM would be as a dedicated server but that's only really good for MP games.
velociraptor
Junior Member
This doesn't make any sense to me either. You cannot offset RAM by 'cloud computing'. Lol.
Can Crusher
Banned
Of course PC version will use the cloud too, why wouldn't it?
Am I missing something between the lines here? The game will come out on Windows and connect to MS's "cloud" servers. Just like Xbox One.
Probably because since they don't own that shit, it will be cost prohibitive. Not that I think this whole cloud bs is going to make a difference...
Am I missing something between the lines here? The game will come out on Windows and connect to MS's "cloud" servers. Just like Xbox One.
Probably because since they don't own that shit, it will be cost prohibitive. Not that I think this whole cloud bs is going to make a difference...
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Ae the actual screens for this online at all?
Course you can. That's what Gaikai does.
Gaikai renders the game elsewhere.
No it doesn't lol. A server runs the entire game elsewhere and just streams the image/video to the console.
Melchiah
Member
Just like this gen, which is good for those who aren't interested in the 1st party titles, or the enforced DRM, on that side.
scrapplejoe
Banned
any screenshots out yet?
Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties
Banned
You just made his point.
Official screens probably won't appear until E3, where MS will likely premiere TitanFall at their presser. Magazine scans are banned here, btw.
MusicGangATL
Banned
kind of wondering about the screens as well. Source engine has me thinking this wont be that amazing looking. but im eager to be proven wrong.
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
Sucks that this game is going to be an Xbone exclusive. Really wanted to check out Respawn's post-COD effort but oh well.
Damn you MS moneyhats.
Damn you MS moneyhats.
Agent Dale Cooper
Banned
If it's Source, your PC can probably run it
If you saw the screens and someone told you it was Source you would be surprised. I mean it's no Deep Down, but it looks nice. Doesn't look like Unreal though. Very bright and not "chunky". More like Half-Life 2 which I guess is where you could could see the Source.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Streaming =/= cloud computing
BruiserBear
Banned
It sounds like you'll just have to wait a year for the PS4 version.
nobody will care after a year has passed
BruiserBear
Banned
Define "nobody"
Nobody should care about games nobody will care about after a year has passed. If this is one of those, let's stop caring now.
legacyzero
Banned
Still kinda shocked that EA and Respawn are using Source.
Irony.
Irony.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Doesn't really sound impressive to me yet, a little bit too generic. And I think what helped CoD a lot was the cinematic singleplayer campaign, and that seems to be missing here. I'm also not convinced yet that the source engine can offer us a true nextgen graphics experience. But in a few days we will know more, I guess.
But that's not how this will work, TitanFall is not a streaming game. So this statement is nonsense.
But that's not how this will work, TitanFall is not a streaming game. So this statement is nonsense.
As in, Source engine 3 (one HL3 will be based off of) or the current source engine Portal, Episode 3 etc are based off? The latter would be very disappointing. It is an ageing engine that needs a serious overhaul.
Sanic
Member
I think it's probable that they overhauled much of Source to suit their needs. The tools, in particular, are pretty awful.
With that said, source gives them a workflow and code base that is at least somewhat similar to what they were working with before. I don't really have an issue with the choice of engine.
With that said, source gives them a workflow and code base that is at least somewhat similar to what they were working with before. I don't really have an issue with the choice of engine.
legacyzero
Banned
Isn't the source engine kinda old ?
Zampella and crew are no strangers to using out dated engines.
I don't agree, but I don't disagree either. People will still want to play it if it's a good game and more importantly is priced reasonably for being a year old game.
CoD and Battlefield aren't always going to be the top dogs... Respawn and Bungie seem ready to make sure of that, and of course EA and Activision are all too happy to oblige.
abacab driver
Banned
None of what you mentioned can determine if Titanfall will be "good or a success."
Some misunderstanding about game streaming vs cloud computing here. The latter is a completely different beast. To actually run games, especially next gen stuff, hardware needs to be extremely powerful with bandwidths in the thousands of mbps and latency in the nanoseconds, referring to the GPU etc. All stuff that absolutely eclipses the speed and data transfer capabilities of the internet at present. That's why using the cloud for local level rendering, combined with actual local level hardware rendering is unfeasible. At least for anything remotely dynamic or needing computational change very often, perhaps even every frame, which games generally do, especially going forward in to the new generation where more and more things become dynamic (physics, lighting etc). It is possible with insensitive loads or stuff that is static and doesn't need to be updated very often, but obviously still has complexity woes and massive unreliability potential.
Game streaming is different in that all the computation is done at a local level on a server somewhere, none if it done on your local hardware. Only the image is streamed to you, which is not nearly as intensive or unviable, though it does still have the potential for reliability woes due to the hurdles of internet bandwidth, drop outs etc.
Game streaming is different in that all the computation is done at a local level on a server somewhere, none if it done on your local hardware. Only the image is streamed to you, which is not nearly as intensive or unviable, though it does still have the potential for reliability woes due to the hurdles of internet bandwidth, drop outs etc.
velociraptor
Junior Member
L4D has a story?
legacyzero
Banned
If the GI leaks are anything to go by, then it's real.
Of course. It tells a story of 4 survivors and their heroic quest.... FOR PEELZ.
Of course it is.
SniperHunter
Banned
sounds like a feature to me, let's wait and see the game first? Both Titanfall and Forza 5 are using it
Let me reiterate then:
-aging tech (**loading**)
-lack of proper narrative (L4D was more of a skirmish co-op game with character banter)
-paid online (Defiance anyone?)
-lock for 1 next gen console
-EA
-Origin
To be fair to the L4D comparisons, L4D had story if you listened for it. It wasn't anything deep and wasn't trying to be the next best cinematic experience, but it was there, it was decent, and it tied everything together.
As for Source, there have been rumors and mumblings for the last year or two that Valve has been updating the engine behind the scenes, especially around the release of Source Film Maker. We'll have to see how much improvement was made I guess...
As for Source, there have been rumors and mumblings for the last year or two that Valve has been updating the engine behind the scenes, especially around the release of Source Film Maker. We'll have to see how much improvement was made I guess...
dollartaco
Member
snoopeasystreet
Member
L4D told a far better narrative than most games this generation. Event linearity and scripted cutscenes that form the story in most games isn't taking advantage of what the medium is great at. Creating a rule set that let's players create their own unique stories is far more interesting to me.
Isn't the source engine kinda old ?
And kinda awful. I can't tell you one single game on Source that has good gunplay. It doesn't exist.