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[Ploid 3.0]

i'll take 60fps thankyouverymuch

Yeah, it makes sense that they would improve something if they didn't need the 30fps mode but put it in because people may have been showing interest in having a 30fps mode. When you drop a PC game to 30fps when you can easily run it at 60fps you can add a lot more than shadow quality over the way you normally run it. For example I can easily run Skyrim with ENB at 60fps but if I limit it to 30fps on purpose I can do crazier enb + mods stuff that may make it drop to 30ish - 50fps unstable.

 

[JLeack]

My PS4 has been loud as hell playing damn near anything lately.

720p low fan noise option plz.

 

[Darknight]

But I heard framerate is king!!!! I guess I was wrong, Shadows>Framerate!

This is actually pretty cool feature. The way I see it is if you select the 30FPS option, you get the benefit of having the engine do shadows better since its not being "pushed" as much as native 1080P/60FPS. Not sure how can anyone spin this for the console wars or some bullshit.

Let me know when other developers are doing as much effort into their projects as ND.

 

[Papercuts]

It would have been weird if locking to 30 didn't improve anything, so this isn't surprising.

I will, obviously, play it at 60 since it actually impacts the gameplay and couldn't give less of a fuck about shadows, lol.

 

[Banana Aeon]

seriously, why stop at 30 fps and shadows vs 60fps? why not include all the stuff that the PC does.

Too spooky.

I would be completely down with that. The Order and Driveclub at 60fps would be guaranteed purchases.

 

[v1lla21]

Will play at 60fps but as soon as I start noticing some, if there is, big dips I'm locking at 30fps.

 

[rokkerkory]

I think this is really nice option more games should have!

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Naughty Dog wanted me to play this game at 60fps so that's what I'm gonna do.

If you want to play it at 30fps play the ps3 version, I'm sure its cheaper.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

seriously, why stop at 30 fps and shadows vs 60fps? why not include all the stuff that the PC does.

That's where the line ends. Set top boxes like console are not infinitely configurable like PC's, A 30/60 option is a great thing to bring some of that choice to the console space

 

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

There's more in the patch.

I haven't played the game without it, so I'm unsure if the option is ONLY post-patch. I do know that at the very least the improved shadows with it enabled is included in the patch.

Thanks. Is the press kit only mentioning better shadows, or other graphical stuff too, like even better texture quality for 30 frames mode?

One problem i could see with the 30 frame mode would be the toned down motion blur. Motion Blur really helps to make 30 frames feel more smoother.

 

[ethomaz]

Yup.

If they want to get a PS4 game looking anywhere close to that trailer in real time, they're going to go 30fps. Bookmark this post bros. Bookmark it hard.

You will be happy after all

 

[Wishmaster92]

Thanks. Is the press kit only mentioning better shadows, or other graphical stuff too, like even better texture quality for 30 frames mode?

One problem i could see with the 30 frame mode would be the toned down motion blur. Motion Blur really helps to make 30 frames feel more smoother.

JLeack, this plz.

 

[gruenel]

Naughty Dog wanted me to play this game at 60fps so that's what I'm gonna do.

If you want to play it at 30fps play the ps3 version, I'm sure its cheaper.

But the PS3 version isn't 30fps

 

[imtehman]

That's where the line ends. Set top boxes like console are not infinitely configurable like PC's, A 30/60 option is a great thing to bring some of that choice to the console space

is there something inherent in console design that you can't do that or something? Since all Ps4's are the same is it hard to have all the graphical variables available so long as its 30 or 60 fps?

for example, me maxing 8x AA but only 2x AF but some else prefers AF so they go 16x and 1x AA but both keeps it at 60fps. Would be cool and i'd love to hear why someone would be against that

 

[Sendou]

The game looks better when it runs at half the framerate? Man the incompetence of this team knows no boundaries.

No but really it makes sense. Nice that they bothered I guess.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Heh what? Are they serious? I mean this is a ps3 game.

 

[GhostWriter24]

The game looks better when it runs at half the framerate? Man the incompetence of this team knows no boundaries.

I'm trying to fully grasp the idiocy of this statement but I'm not sure if I missed something. Did you seriously just call one of the premier game development teams on any platform "incompetent"? It's time to stop posting, bud, you're incriminating yourself.

 

[antitrop]

Heh what? Are they serious? I mean this is a ps3 game.

Are you serious?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Best looking game...


Damn JLeak seriously?
I'm getting pretty excited over here

 

[Gurish]

Shadow quality is that important for visual fidelity? Might be worth it if it would improve lighting or even better AA or texture quality, but for better shadows? I don't think it's worth it and I'm the type of guy who generally prefers 30 fps and better fidelity but in this case the choice seems obvious to me.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Yup.

If they want to get a PS4 game looking anywhere close to that trailer in real time, they're going to go 30fps. Bookmark this post bros. Bookmark it hard.

Muwahahaha

 

[JLeack]

Thanks. Is the press kit only mentioning better shadows, or other graphical stuff too, like even better texture quality for 30 frames mode?

One problem i could see with the 30 frame mode would be the toned down motion blur. Motion Blur really helps to make 30 frames feel more smoother.

It's shadows only.

And damn, you can really feel 30 vs 60 FPS.

Best looking game...


Damn JLeak seriously?
I'm getting pretty excited over here

I kinda forgot about inFamous when I said that. I think it's a tough call between the two. TLOU has better animations and a better sense of atmosphere. inFamous has the lighting and reflections that give me chills.

 

[terrible]

I'd probably be all over 30 FPS if it gave us more AA. Shadows though? I think I'll stick with 60 FPS.

 

[RoboPlato]

Yup.

If they want to get a PS4 game looking anywhere close to that trailer in real time, they're going to go 30fps. Bookmark this post bros. Bookmark it hard.

I think it'll look pretty damn close to it, asife from image quality. Even then, I think they were using dynamic AA/tessellation for close to camera objects and masking background aliasing with DoF for that trailer. There's going to be lots of tricks like that in Uncharted 4.

 

[Seanspeed]

Drastic improvement in playability and smoothness vs higher resolution shadows..........what a weird option for the developers to include. I mean, could they really do nothing better than better shadows for a 50% decrease in framerate?

This should be a no-brainer if that's all 30fps gets you.

 

[zackmorris]

Pretty useless without pics.

 

[supernormal]

720p low fan noise option plz.

10

 

[RoboPlato]

Drastic improvement in playability and smoothness vs higher resolution shadows..........what a weird option for the developers to include. I mean, could they really do nothing better than better shadows for a 50% decrease in framerate?

This should be a no-brainer if that's all 30fps gets you.

It's probably the easiest to implement improvement and the one that would cause the least controversy.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

is there something inherent in console design that you can't do that or something? Since all Ps4's are the same is it hard to have all the graphical variables available so long as its 30 or 60 fps?

for example, me maxing 8x AA but only 2x AF but some else prefers AF so they go 16x and 1x AA but both keeps it at 60fps. Would be cool and i'd love to hear why someone would be against that

Presets I suppose. Full on settings would cause bad console ports as consoles are set spec wise to make optimization easier.

 

[Windom Earle]

for example, me maxing 8x AA but only 2x AF but some else prefers AF so they go 16x and 1x AA but both keeps it at 60fps. Would be cool and i'd love to hear why someone would be against that

Terrible example.

 

[NuKERxyz]

So..gonna use 30fps for SP and 60fps for MP. Thank you ND for giving us the choice, hope other devs go the same route.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Drastic improvement in playability and smoothness vs higher resolution shadows..........what a weird option for the developers to include. I mean, could they really do nothing better than better shadows for a 50% decrease in framerate?

This should be a no-brainer if that's all 30fps gets you.

Unless they wanted to invest even more money and time then that would be their choice. It's already amazing that they bothered to optimize a 30 and 60fps game like TLoU.

 

[NullPointer]

So..gonna use 30fps for SP and 60fps for MP. Thank you ND for giving us the choice, hope other devs go the same route.

Is 30fps also an option for multiplayer?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Heh what? Are they serious? I mean this is a ps3 game.

What in god's graces does this post even mean???

So you're telling me you people would want them to do nothing with the extra resources 30fps frees up? This is the weirdest parity-begging I've ever seen. Am I in a bizarro world where a dev putting even more effort into modes of a game is cause for outrage?

 

[mrklaw]

Drastic improvement in playability and smoothness vs higher resolution shadows..........what a weird option for the developers to include. I mean, could they really do nothing better than better shadows for a 50% decrease in framerate?

This should be a no-brainer if that's all 30fps gets you.

They didn't put 30fps mode in so they could increase the detail. They put 30fps mode in because some people preferred it, and the upside is that they can increase the graphics.

 

[thatJohann]

Yo' those of you that got the game early. Take a couple of friggin minutes to show us the shadows 30fps vs 60fps. Let's put an end to this thread already. Geez.

 

[Holykael1]

Way to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I will leave now after my incredible contribution to this thread. Why Yes..

 

[bananafactory]

Yo' those of you that got the game early. Take a couple of friggin minutes to show us the shadows 30fps vs 60fps. Let's put an end to this thread already. Geez.

The 30fps lock and better shadows isn't available yet, it's coming in a patch.

 

[BeEatNU]

It would have been weird if locking to 30 didn't improve anything, so this isn't surprising.

I will, obviously, play it at 60 since it actually impacts the gameplay and couldn't give less of a fuck about shadows, lol.

this lol.

this thread got big so fast over this, pretty ridiculous.

 

[Sendou]

I'm trying to fully grasp the idiocy of this statement but I'm not sure if I missed something. Did you seriously just call one of the premier game development teams on any platform "incompetent"? It's time to stop posting, bud, you're incriminating yourself.

Come on man. Right back at you. Everyone is a bit thick from time to time but you're taking it to a whole new level here. For starters try to understand my post as a whole.

 

[Mr Moose]

This is good news if true, will try both to see which I prefer.
Roll on August 1st!

 

[Trey]

Sacrifices were made. For the greater good.

 

[mrklaw]

The 30fps lock and better shadows isn't available yet, it's coming in a patch.

Patch already seems available for the press, so hopefully we'll see some comparisons on Monday when the embargo lifts

 

[NuKERxyz]

Is 30fps also an option for multiplayer?

I hope not..

The choice os SP is perfect but would be bad for MP, well at least for those who use the 30fps option there.

 

[delta25]

I see these two statements as opposed, not complimentary. But no worries, I'm sure I'll live.

Will play this come next week, and play it on the 60fps setting, and hope the dips aren't noticeable.

so the only true definition to a "smooth" framerate is one that is locked? A game can still have an overall smooth fps while still taken on the occasional dip IMO.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

this lol.

this thread got big so fast over this, pretty ridiculous.

I summed it up in this linked Seinfeld with which I described akin to what some of the reaction has been in this thread. Enjoy.

This reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where George gets Steindbrehner hooked on calzones. Calzones are 60fps but one day George wants to try the 30fps Chinese food but Steinbrehner said, "No wayyyy Jack. We're going to stick with the calzones from Paizanos!"

Steinbrehner also likes to eat soup from a bread bowl. Noting more satisfying than knowing your dish is also your food and when you eat it, all you're looking down on is the table. The bread bowl is probably 60fps.

 

[shinobi602]

Kind of disappointing , I'm not buying from a developer that's lied through their teeth.

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

The Last of Us: Civil War

i like you.

damn it, shit always happens when im AFK! based gods, are gonna get shit for going the extra mile with this game

 

[Bloodrage]

I'll play it at 30 then. Or check out both. It's nice to have options.

 

[DOWN]

It would have been weird if locking to 30 didn't improve anything, so this isn't surprising.

I will, obviously, play it at 60 since it actually impacts the gameplay and couldn't give less of a fuck about shadows, lol.

Thanks a lot Infamous Second Son for not improving anything during your 30fps lock.