It depends on what "most of the time" means. If it's like BF4's campaign and smaller player matches, it'll be excellent. If it's like 24 player matches on KZSF I would rather it capped.
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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition (PS4/XB1) is 30 FPS
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It depends on what "most of the time" means. If it's like BF4's campaign and smaller player matches, it'll be excellent. If it's like 24 player matches on KZSF I would rather it capped.
As long as the unlocked framerate doesn't drop from 60 directly to 30 due to VSYNC (I'm looking at you Contrast) then it's still the superior option to a locked 30fps.
I played the original PC version of Tomb Raider at around 50fps average with D3DOverrider and it's still much, much better than locking it to 30fps. The input lag alone is just awful at that framerate.
Props to the devs for getting the game running with those graphics at 1080p and mostly 60fps. From a technical standpoint alone with TresFX, that's impressive.
I played the original PC version of Tomb Raider at around 50fps average with D3DOverrider and it's still much, much better than locking it to 30fps. The input lag alone is just awful at that framerate.
Props to the devs for getting the game running with those graphics at 1080p and mostly 60fps. From a technical standpoint alone with TresFX, that's impressive.
99% of games have an unlocked framerate. Games like AC4 where it virtually never drops (or, more realistically, never ever drops) are super rare. There are almost no 60 fps titles that are "locked" 60 FPS except for maybe some Nintendo games, RAGE, and probably some sports games here and there. Oh, and I guess Forza 5. But all games drop.
We don't know how this one drops. If it is like Battlefield or Call of Duty, I think 60 would be a much more popular option than a locked 30.
BruiserBear
Banned
I agree. If it's 60fps most of the time, and the drops are only to the 45-50 range, that's fine.
The fact that some gaffers noticed drops while at a media event though, has me worried they're far more noticeable than the 45-50 range.
casnix
Member
I'm definitely buying this on the 28th. I really enjoyed playing it on PS3 and can't wait to play it again on my PS4.
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, he says "We have PS4 version here, running at 60 frames per second".
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I would never, ever do that if I had a choice.
boredandlazy
Member
I might actually pick this up earlier now on PS4. I'm not a frame-rate whore as such, but I do understand the benefits of 60fps. Plus the fact that it'll be running at an almost consistent 60fps leads me to the believe that the devs are actually putting some effort into this, rather than it being a cheap and easy port.
BruiserBear
Banned
Wow. He really does say it. I guess the quote in the OP of this thread is not accurate.
The guy on the stream also asked "are we talking about the PS4 version here", and the PR guy says "yeah" rather awkwardly.
Maybe the PS4 version is 60, and the XB1 version is 30? Just speculating, but the way that conversation went down, and the fact that the PR guy didn't say "XB1 version is the same" when that question came up, makes me think they're not the same.
We've already had a 1080p vs 720 game on next gen consoles, and we may just have our first 30 vs 60 frames per second game now.
BruiserBear
Banned
iceatcs
Junior Member
I don't think it is how they noticed. I'm firm to suspect it was because of playing on 60fps sudder then drop 45fps will get more notice on drop than 30 to 15fps.
A 30/60 split would be crazy. Both are probably unlocked with XBO on the lower end.
But I've been told by Master Race GAF over and over it's a low/mid range PC made from $350 worth of junk parts off the shelves from Best Buy....
Notice how not a single one of the usual suspects saying that stuff has posted in this thread since the 60fps news came out?
BruiserBear
Banned
I disagree. Drops from 60 to 45 would only be semi noticeable to a lot of people.
But drops from 30 to 15 are pretty awful, and would be more noticeable IMO.
You're probably right, but if the XB1 version was more often than not closer to 30, they may have just locked that version down. While the PS4 version was closer to 60 most of the time, so they left that version unlocked.
boredandlazy
Member
Well the dev specifically stated it was 60fps on PS4.
Talking points are being revised. 120FPS, MSAA and tessellation to be included or GTFO. Didn't you get the memo?
/PC Game as well
//The elitism is suffocating, just game.
Chobel
Member
That would be really really fucked up, not gonna happen, we're talking about a huge shit storm if that happen. They will drop resolution before that happens.
RedAssedApe
Banned
boobs aren't round enough
FrozenCell
Member
so it might actually get the framerate of a Definitive Edition?
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, that is not bad at all. No new thread?
Or is this confirmed but not confirmed? Has anybody talked to a tech fellow about this?
All you have to do is look at the first page of this thread. Not only the 30 bashing but also the "PC is better" comments. Why did this PC-backlash happen? I think it has a lot to do in the way that Square Enix promoted the game as "Definitive." That's inflammatory to PC gamers who have high-end rigs. When more info came out about the PS4 version running at 1080p/30 you'd find thousands of comments on YouTube videos saying something like: "What!? Definitive my ass! I can do 1080p/120 fps on my $500 PC, with my Triple-SpitIce-Lavathunder-SUX9000 on my dual 30" 4K displays! My PC > PS4 Fail Edition is more like it!"
Seriously? The Square Enix developers are doing the best they can with relativity new hardware. The fact that they've achieved 60 (variable) is good news. I think that AC:BF running at a solid 1080p/30 is a great benchmark. I'll reserve judgement into I actually play the new TR to see if it looks and runs better.
Awesome, glad I'm getting the definitive edition then.
NullPointer
Member
Wow. I'm actually thinking of getting this to play through it again at some point.
I played on PC when it came out, but I could either sit in my office to play it on a powerful computer, or I could use my laptop hooked up to the TV. My laptop has a mediocre graphics card so I basically set the laptop at console level graphics at 720p, and was able to play through it at 60-ish frames per second. I think I played 80%+ of the game on the laptop, it just felt better to play it on the comfy couch...
I played on PC when it came out, but I could either sit in my office to play it on a powerful computer, or I could use my laptop hooked up to the TV. My laptop has a mediocre graphics card so I basically set the laptop at console level graphics at 720p, and was able to play through it at 60-ish frames per second. I think I played 80%+ of the game on the laptop, it just felt better to play it on the comfy couch...
SymbiantXenos
Member
Getting this next week as I've never played last years game.
Also is there really a difference in fps between the two versions (ps4/xb1)
Also is there really a difference in fps between the two versions (ps4/xb1)
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Maybe he meant "Wii".
gigantor21
Member
All those visual improvements at 60 fps? NOW they've got my attention.
...still not paying $60, though. *runs away*
...still not paying $60, though. *runs away*
They didn't say anything about X1.
If it's 60fps on the PS4 then that changes a lot!
$60 is still a complete rip off but now it's a little bit more reasonable.
I can't see the X1 being 30, that would just be too huge of a difference, maybe 60 unlocked, but then why would Amos say 30?
Guess we should wait for an official confirmation.
$60 is still a complete rip off but now it's a little bit more reasonable.
I can't see the X1 being 30, that would just be too huge of a difference, maybe 60 unlocked, but then why would Amos say 30?
Guess we should wait for an official confirmation.
SymbiantXenos
Member
Ah ok then. Better to hold off untill confirmation I guess
Yep. And to them I say, if the new version is so bad, wait 3-6 months and pick up a used copy of TR at, I don't know .$30ish? Next year, $15-$20?
60 FPS is a very good news for gaming. I hope next Tomb Raider follow that path too.
A few comparisson of first scene in that video
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...vc/cm_cothAcqE/s1920/TombRaiderPC01TessON.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...M/No-RlLg89bw/s1920/TombRaiderPC01TessOFF.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAADvA/iJuWiesyFDY/s1920/TombRaiderDE01.png
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...vk/fZYlFVCFQdQ/s1920/TombRaiderPC02TessON.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...U/ht-UcBKPsBU/s1920/TombRaiderPC02TessOFF.png
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAADvE/QRQ7hFibaB4/s1920/TombRaiderDE02.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...A2HOtB-gA_A/s1920/07-TombRaiderPC04TessON.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AADwE/nZScEdBPvV4/s1920/08-TombRaiderDE04.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...v0/TyoPaQ0cVyw/s1920/TombRaiderPC03TessON.png
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-...w/UKyNMpIG49Y/s1920/TombRaiderPC03TessOFF.png
A few comparisson of first scene in that video
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...vc/cm_cothAcqE/s1920/TombRaiderPC01TessON.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...M/No-RlLg89bw/s1920/TombRaiderPC01TessOFF.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAADvA/iJuWiesyFDY/s1920/TombRaiderDE01.png
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...vk/fZYlFVCFQdQ/s1920/TombRaiderPC02TessON.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...U/ht-UcBKPsBU/s1920/TombRaiderPC02TessOFF.png
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAADvE/QRQ7hFibaB4/s1920/TombRaiderDE02.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...A2HOtB-gA_A/s1920/07-TombRaiderPC04TessON.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AADwE/nZScEdBPvV4/s1920/08-TombRaiderDE04.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...v0/TyoPaQ0cVyw/s1920/TombRaiderPC03TessON.png
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-...w/UKyNMpIG49Y/s1920/TombRaiderPC03TessOFF.png
statham
Member
I would like a link to these comments. unless you are making up comments. over and over again, you must have lots of comments and links.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
1/2/3/4/5 thing on those screens above kills me. Maldo, I think they may have just moved those rags around in the ps4 version. You can see that #2 is probably behind #1, and #3 is probably behind the barrel now.
Sorry, don't keep links handy to hundreds of drive by comments. You're free to go through all the Pre-launch threads and see them yourself, or look at the PC centric websites (pre launch) that were talking about how "you can build a PS4/XB1 Now with off shelf parts" [fine print: with $900 in parts w/o Windows or a monitor]! Comments on those articles were just as priceless.
Anyways, I don't want to get too off topic as others have already done so in this thread.
These console are pretty powerful, but PC's have always been much more powerful than consoles since at least the PS2 era (and possibly before).... for a price.
statham
Member
well, people get banned for what you just did.
It's funny how better quality the stream was here than the nasty IGN PS4/PS3 comparison. But looking at your screen, you realize how bad the compression still is.
Developers/Publishers really need to start pushing the media to make improvements to their video services. What the point in great IQ and finally being 1080P if Joe on the internet is never going to see the difference, and might be swayed by the trolls purporting no major difference from last gen?
They spend all this money on IQ and tech, and don't have a place to showcase it yet that isn't bitrate starved.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
And I've seen people get banned for what you just did. Backseat modding is still backseat modding even if it's extremely passive-aggressive.
And I certainly don't maintain a stockpile of links to use as footnotes, either. This isn't a damned term paper.
If you truly haven't seen talk of the new consoles being underpowered then I envy you that.